Current Events > is there ANY "good" argument against vegetarianism?

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Meats delicious.

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until "steek" is cheaper than just killing a cow and chopping it up, it's still a non-starter.

Questionmarktarius posted...

until "steek" is cheaper than just killing a cow and chopping it up, it's still a non-starter.

We can only hope bro.

Really, we just need it to be comparable in order to gain significant market share. Need to make it easier for people to make the switch

I don't like having broad "arguments" against vegetarianism, as there are too many people out there that do it for various reasons.

So I would need to know WHY they chose the vegetarian lifestyle before I can pick apart why they're (most likely) not being genuine about it.

For example, people that do it because of animal cruelty, but they're wearing a fresh pair of leather Jordans.

I was born into a body from a species of animal that is designed to be an omnivore.

bigblu89 posted...

For example, people that do it because of animal cruelty, but they're wearing a fresh pair of leather Jordans.

Just because someone isn't doing everything in regards to an issue doesn't devalue the things they do. Absolutist logic like that inhibits progress and is more used as an excuse for people who do nothing to justify their lack of action.

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About as unethical as being a conservative I'd say.

bigblu89 posted...

I don't like having broad "arguments" against vegetarianism, as there are too many people out there that do it for various reasons.

So I would need to know WHY they chose the vegetarian lifestyle before I can pick apart why they're (most likely) not being genuine about it.

For example, people that do it because of animal cruelty, but they're wearing a fresh pair of leather Jordans.

I always saw it as having a goal to minimize the suffering. I doubt any vegan is saying they're perfect. But maybe diet is an easier transition for them.
It's not all or nothing

Guide posted...

Cause, on a mass scale, it is untenable as an ethical food source. You have to have a certain degree of privilege to even get ethically sourced veggies on a reliable and affordable basis.

lol if u actually believe this

meat farming is exponentially more exploitative than any sort of vegetable farming

Just thru basic physics/law of thermodynamics you'll require way more energy to farm animals bcuz U have to farm their feed and then farm them on top of it

meat farming is so unsustainable that the US govt subsidizes a huge portion of it

even a large percentage of subsidized corn is used for animal feed

Bass_X0 posted...

I was born into a body from a species of animal that is designed to be an omnivore.

you were "designed" to do a lot of things yet u just post on gamefaqs lol

PETP= People for the ethical treatment of plants.

If a cow had a chance he'd murder you and your whole family.

Cocytus posted...

PETP= People for the ethical treatment of plants.

If a cow had a chance he'd murder you and your whole family.

literal braindead argument

a. meat farming causes an order of magnitude greater of plant deaths

b. cows are pretty benevolent, are shown to have a pretty high level of sentience, empathy, have good memories etc

plants are not sentient life forms

mystic_belmont posted...

The human body has evolved to consume both plants and animals, flora and fauna.

This.
Avirosb posted...

Not enough arable land?
Would have to kill more plant eaters to prevent damage on crops.

Also this. Much of land designated towards animals is non-arable land. Couldn't be used for crops in the first place, so why not use it for meat?
Theres less water usage than many crops, nuts especially.
Animals have other uses than just meat, as well.
And others.

Since you don't want "meat tastes good", which it very much does without being unhealthy.

Lanzol posted...

plants are not sentient life forms

How do you know? Besides, it's still alive.

a lot of "animal farm land" came from destroying whatever ecosystem that was there first

is that literally your argument?

destroy the ecosystem for murder?

Cocytus posted...

How do you know? Besides, it's still alive.

multiple studies done

regardless, even agreeing to this bs premise that plants are "sentient"

"meat farming causes an order of magnitude greater of plant deaths"

Lanzol posted...

a lot of "animal farm land" came from destroying whatever ecosystem that was there first

is that literally your argument?

destroy the ecosystem for murder?

So you're saying there are too many animals...and we could spare some...

dietary preference is a good enough argument

Cocytus posted...

So you're saying there are too many animals...and we could spare some...

>destroy ecosystems and ruin native populations
>factory farm more animals

'hurrr we gotta kill more animals!!!'

royic posted...

dietary preference is a good enough argument

U sound like those edge lords who wouldn't see anything wrong with farming humans for meat

Lanzol posted...

>destroy ecosystems and ruin native populations
>factory farm more animals

'hurrr we gotta kill more animals!!!'

I've just been messing with you anyway man. I mean, I like meat, but I ain't all about fuck vegetarians. I wish I was one but I was raised on meat, can't kick.

Lanzol posted...

multiple studies done

regardless, even agreeing to this bs premise that plants are "sentient"

"meat farming causes an order of magnitude greater of plant deaths"

There are studies that indicate that plants react to sounds, display they are in pain and react to stressors in ways that were previously not thought to be possible.

The bigger problem with eating meat is the same problem that plagues the food industry in general. Destroying large swaths of land that provide food that is simply thrown out at the end of the year.

Lanzol posted...

U sound like those edge lords who wouldn't see anything wrong with farming humans for meat

yah not equating human lives with chicken lives lmao. i've met chickens, I don't respect them enough for that

chickens are gross and are kept in even more disgusting living conditions

literal poison

If eating meat is so immoral then how do you deal with the paradox of some animals who only have meat-based diets? Those animals need to eat meat to survive, but their prey needs to not be eaten in order to survive. At some point, some animals are going to have to be eaten by others, and that's just a fact. So with that said, if you can't avoid the reality of animals eating other animals then why go out of your way to try?

Mike_Stanton posted...

If eating meat is so immoral then how do you deal with the paradox of some animals who only have meat-based diets? Those animals need to eat meat to survive, but their prey needs to not be eaten in order to survive. At some point, some animals are going to have to be eaten by others, and that's just a fact. So with that said, if you can't avoid the reality of animals eating other animals then why go out of your way to try?

surely u can rub 2 braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem is on a different stage than our catastrophic factory farming

Mike_Stanton posted...

If eating meat is so immoral then how do you deal with the paradox of some animals who only have meat-based diets? Those animals need to eat meat to survive, but their prey needs to not be eaten in order to survive. At some point, some animals are going to have to be eaten by others, and that's just a fact. So with that said, if you can't avoid the reality of animals eating other animals then why go out of your way to try?

Steve O went from vegan to pescatarian because of the pet feeding rational.

It's possible to raise animals for meat without causing them any suffering, and in that case there's no ethical problem with eating meat. (At least, there's no ethical problem stemming from considerations of animal welfare. There might still be broader ecological concerns, etc, but those could probably be worked around too.)

I'm saying that this is possible in theory; practice is a mixed bag, to put it mildly.

Lanzol posted...

the human body has evolved to kill and murder, does that make it okay?

You seem okay with murdering plants. Why is that?

I'll tell you this, if you FIND a dead animal and eat it, there's nothing wrong with that.

Lanzol posted...

surely u can rub 2 braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem is on a different stage than our catastrophic factory farming

Because this catastrophic farming is for both meat and non meat.

Lanzol posted...

chickens are gross and are kept in even more disgusting living conditions

literal poison

well i like eating poison so mind ur own business you ignorant hussy

mystic_belmont posted...

You seem okay with murdering plants. Why is that?

so it's okay to murder plants to murder animals?

royic posted...

well i like eating poison so mind ur own business you ignorant hussy

How Mithridatist of you.

ArtiRock posted...

Because this catastrophic farming is for both meat and non meat.

not in the slightest no

animal farming only makes up like 18% of our total calories (nationally) and uses up 80% of our farmland

non-animal farming uses significantly less of every resource and doesn't have nearly the same effect of greenhouse gases

ellis123 posted...

How Mithridatist of you.

romans always up in my ****

Lanzol posted...

so it's okay to murder plants to murder animals?

I have no problem with killing animals for meat.

mystic_belmont posted...

I have no problem with killing animals for meat.

so what is your actual argument here?

just a false equivolancy bcuz u have no argument beyond 'hurrr meet taste gud'?

Yeah.
I love meat.

Some really weird arguments here

Lanzol posted...

so what is your actual argument here?

The killing itself isn't bad. Suffering is what's bad. So if we kill animals without letting them suffer, there's no problem.

The_Apologist posted...

The killing itself isn't bad. Suffering is what's bad. So if we kill animals without letting them suffer, there's no problem.

so why not factory farm humans if killing itself isn't bad?

As a vegan....

Meat is fucking delicious.

Not the best argument, but I get why many dont want to give it up.

Lanzol posted...

not in the slightest no

animal farming only makes up like 18% of our total calories (nationally) and uses up 80% of our farmland

non-animal farming uses significantly less of every resource and doesn't have nearly the same effect of greenhouse gases

But we still fuck up land for even plant spaces. It's really bad in general.

Lanzol posted...

so why not factory farm humans if killing itself isn't bad?

because we don't care how unintelligent life that we don't have an emotional connection to is treated