Current Events > is there ANY "good" argument against vegetarianism?

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I don't eat much meat and actually don't find it that tasty. Bacon exists however.

Mike_Stanton posted...

Surely you can rub two braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem creates a problem for your vegetarian utopia. Some animals need meat to survive, but in order for their prey to survive they need to not be eaten. At some point, some animals have to die in order for others to survive.

Predation is natural, but this doesn't mean that it's morally good or morally acceptable. Lots of natural things are bad. And in fact, predation is one of the clearest reasons why the wilderness is an abhorrent place.

Those chickens kill hundreds... thousands of innocent bugs over the course of their lives, the only ethical thing to do is eat them and deliver their karmic reward!

The deliciousness is the taste of retributive justice!

Avirosb posted...

Not enough arable land?
Would have to kill more plant eaters to prevent damage on crops.

Also pesticides usage would remain stupidly high as it is. Some dumb nations (like mine) have brought back bee-killing pesticides for their crop use, which is genius level farming ofc.

Mike_Stanton posted...

Surely you can rub two braincells together to figure out that a natural ecosystem creates a problem for your vegetarian utopia. Some animals need meat to survive, but in order for their prey to survive they need to not be eaten. At some point, some animals have to die in order for others to survive.

u don't even comprehend what I'm saying here

https://youtu.be/CmJYZ1NIn1Y?si=pJiP3UXEpV12aT9P

Veggies taste great!

Either way, I think you should focus on nutritional value over the specific category of food.
A small amount of quality meat should be ok, but there's no need to make meat or certain meats your identity.

The plants have consciousness but don't have ways of communicating

Lanzol posted...

beyond "hurrrr meet taste gud"

That's not an argument against vegetarians, it's just an accurate observation.

Not really though. I don't care if people eat meat or not.

Don't see anything wrong with vegetarianism or veganism but I personally prefer friends and lovers who are omnivores because I'm a chef and I love to cook for people I like and vegans are especially hard to cook for.

Ratchetrockon posted...

Vegetables taste weird to me I not used to that stuff

But these kind of people are also hard to cook for. Can't stand when somebody tries picking out the vegetables.

I make some of the best food and when you've made a gorgeous chicken and cheese quesadilla but the girl you invited over "doesn't eat corn even though theres barely 1 cup of it for 3lbs of meat.

I don't eat whole corn, it scares me.

If we don't eat cows they'll cause climate change

dioxxys posted...

Don't see anything wrong with vegetarianism or veganism but I personally prefer friends and lovers who are omnivores because I'm a chef and I love to cook for people I like and vegans are especially hard to cook for.

But these kind of people are also hard to cook for. Can't stand when somebody tries picking out the vegetables.

I make some of the best food and when you've made a gorgeous chicken and cheese quesadilla but the girl you invited over "doesn't eat corn even though theres barely 1 cup of it for 3lbs of meat.

I've been hella lazy lately but vegan cooking is p fun

I've done tofu a bunch of different ways and it's crazy versatile depending on how you prepare it

I've been doing hella stir fries and garlic butter noodles

Cultural background
Family tradition

Lanzol posted...

lol if u actually believe this

meat farming is exponentially more exploitative than any sort of vegetable farming

Just thru basic physics/law of thermodynamics you'll require way more energy to farm animals bcuz U have to farm their feed and then farm them on top of it

meat farming is so unsustainable that the US govt subsidizes a huge portion of it

even a large percentage of subsidized corn is used for animal feed

Nothing you said here is an actual counter to anything I said. They're not mutually exclusive statements.

Sansoldier posted...

Veggies taste great!

Either way, I think you should focus on nutritional value over the specific category of food.
A small amount of quality meat should be ok, but there's no need to make meat or certain meats your identity.

I actually eat more vegetables and pasta than meat. It isnt part of my identity, the problem is that extremist vegans say they want to abolish it entirely. Thats where theres a problem, as theyre intruding on my business, though thankfully its never going to happen.

The meat industry is full of horrible and environmentally damaging practices though. Im absolutely behind making changes in that regard - complete with government regulation forbidding them from price gouging in response to maintain their precious record profits.

This cock meat sandwich

Not that anyone here is capable of making, it would appear.

TheLiarParadox posted...

Not that anyone here is capable of making, it would appear.

Mine works, although it's not necessarily an argument 'against vegetarianism'; it's just an argument for the permissibility of eating meat.

Only non shit argument is that some countries are kinda small and don't have a lot of land for agriculture and without access to fish many of them would starve.

The reason meat eaters can only muster "hurr durr bacon is good" as a retort is because they know they don't have the discipline to abstain like vegetarians/vegans.

Lanzol posted...

I've been hella lazy lately but vegan cooking is p fun

I've done tofu a bunch of different ways and it's crazy versatile depending on how you prepare it

I've been doing hella stir fries and garlic butter noodles

I'm sure there's lots you can do with it but it's still very limiting and you need to buy expensive alternative ingredients. For example you said butter noodles but said vegan

The_Apologist posted...

Mine works, although it's not necessarily an argument 'against vegetarianism'; it's just an argument for the permissibility of eating meat.

They all work if you really want them to. It's not like you have to pass a test to eat meat.

meat is healthier than most, if not all, vegan proteins

hsvhighlife posted...

meat is healthier than most, if not all, vegan proteins

On what planet?

Tyranthraxus posted...

On what planet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA

C_Pain posted...

The reason meat eaters can only muster "hurr durr bacon is good" as a retort is because they know they don't have the discipline to abstain like vegetarians/vegans.

Or they live in a place that makes subsisting entirely on plants impossible.

mystic_belmont posted...

Or they live in a place that makes subsisting entirely on plants impossible.

The hypothetical uncontacted peoples of Antarctica getting a shoutout.

foreverzero212 posted...

The hypothetical uncontacted peoples of Antarctica getting a shoutout.

Try being in the military deployed. The first items to run out during deployment are fresh fruits and vegetables. My ship went three months without an UNREP of food of any kind.

If you are in the field, you might get an MRE that is vegetarian, you might not. Here is a listing of MREs, tell me which ones are vegetarian/vegan:

https://www.mreinfo.com/mres/mre-menus/

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CmJYZ1NIn1Y&si=dHh7qSULD8qzoBGk

Supposedly we are intelligent because of meat. Our brains developed in response to eating meat. They became more and more advanced, so we could be smarter and more easily obtain the meat

Zikten posted...

Supposedly we are intelligent because of meat. Our brains developed in response to eating meat. They became more and more advanced, so we could be smarter and more easily obtain the meat

Fat. Not meat. Just turns out animals have way more fat than plants.

mystic_belmont posted...

Try being in the military deployed. The first items to run out during deployment are fresh fruits and vegetables. My ship went three months without an UNREP of food of any kind.

If you are in the field, you might get an MRE that is vegetarian, you might not. Here is a listing of MREs, tell me which ones are vegetarian/vegan:

https://www.mreinfo.com/mres/mre-menus/

Fresh meat probably runs out faster. So there are veg MREs, thus it's not impossible. The reason they aren't all veg is cultural and not about what's possible.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Fat. Not meat. Just turns out animals have way more fat than plants.

Keto propaganda. Brain can't even run on fat.

foreverzero212 posted...

Keto propaganda. Brain can't even run on fat.

The brain is literally 60% fat

Tyranthraxus posted...

The brain is literally 60% fat

Elephant brains are several times larger than ours and they don't eat any fat. Dietary fat isn't needed to grow a brain. Reptiles are keto and dumb as rocks.

I think our evolutionary path was just different. It wasn't some magic woo nutrient turning us into geniuses.

foreverzero212 posted...

Elephant brains are several times larger than ours and they don't eat any fat. Dietary fat isn't needed to grow a brain. Reptiles are keto and dumb as rocks.

I think our evolutionary path was just different. It wasn't some magic woo nutrient turning us into geniuses.

The human cortex is 3 times larger than an elephant. Elephants only have bigger brains in the sense that they have a massive cerebellum.

Regardless of why that happened, fat is essential to healthy brains. On top of it being a great source of energy, it's also the stuff that makes up the myelin sheath.

But there's no reason that fat has to come from animals.

Cerebellum is made of fat too.

Eating simple carbs can heavily coat your entire body in fat, I'm proof of it.

There are healthy fats but I'm not seeing the correlation of it being a genius maker when most of the smartest animals in the world eat none of it while many of the dumbest eat the most of it.

Zikten posted...

Supposedly we are intelligent because of meat. Our brains developed in response to eating meat. They became more and more advanced, so we could be smarter and more easily obtain the meat

This is simply not true, if anything the act of cooking itself allowed us to take in more calories to help us develop

dioxxys posted...

I'm sure there's lots you can do with it but it's still very limiting and you need to buy expensive alternative ingredients. For example you said butter noodles but said vegan

vegan butter is the same price of dairy butter

Guide posted...

Nothing you said here is an actual counter to anything I said. They're not mutually exclusive statements.

I'm gonna refrain from saying anything bcus I just got warned

but PLEASE think before posting

it is INSANE to think plant agriculture is anywhere near as expensive and devastating as animal agriculture

Literally everything I said is a counter and u made the same dumb argument that people have made earlier in the topic

like.... HELLO??

TC, Let's say that I am forward deployed and have the below listed MREs available to consume, which ones are vegan?

https://www.dla.mil/Portals/104/Documents/TroopSupport/Subsistence/Rations/MRE/MRE43_Menu.pdf

mystic_belmont posted...

TC, Let's say that I am forward deployed and have the below listed MREs available to consume, which ones are vegan?

https://www.dla.mil/Portals/104/Documents/TroopSupport/Subsistence/Rations/MRE/MRE43_Menu.pdf

No one cares about enlisting in some fascist regime to blow up poor countries for oil

like if you're a part of the military not being vegetarian is on the bottom of the totem pole of crimes against humanity LMFAO

So no actual response.

Typical.

I mean signing your life+agency away for Haliburton/black rock war profiteers doesn't give u much leeway wrt literally anything about your life.

like SURELY anyone can see the hypocrisy of worrying about animal rights when the US military has no regard for basic human rights

Lanzol posted...

I mean signing your life+agency away for Haliburton/black rock war profiteers doesn't give u much leeway wrt literally anything about your life.

like SURELY anyone can see the hypocrisy of worrying about animal rights when the US military has no regard for basic human rights

Maybe I'm less concerned about animal rights and more concerned about healthy eating.

Perhaps I'm poor and need a decent paycheck/direction.

You have no rebuttal in regards to how someone in the military can be vegan.

Maybe the good argument is that it's nigh impossible to eat vegan when you have a limited menu of what you can eat (ala military or food desert).

Thanks for pointing out that you don't actually care about people going vegan.

Lanzol posted...

beyond "hurrrr meet taste gud"

That's all the argument I need. Honestly though I could go vegetarian but wouldn't go as far as vegan. Just to strict.