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uwnim
09/05/23 5:17:52 PM
#50:


You should use female whenever youd use male and woman whenever youd use man. If you use female where youd use man that will look weird, but it will also look weird if you use woman where youd use male.

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Inohira
09/05/23 5:19:38 PM
#51:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Its incelspeak.

No it isn't, incels don't even call women females, they call them femoids/foids.

Term is being overused to hell.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:21:02 PM
#52:


uwnim posted...
You should use female whenever youd use male and woman whenever youd use man. If you use female where youd use man that will look weird, but it will also look weird if you use woman where youd use male.

Yeah. I do wonder if femcels use male like that. It just isn't as common though.

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dave_is_slick
09/05/23 5:22:15 PM
#53:


Power hungry reddit mod? Must be a day ending on "Y".

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:23:18 PM
#54:


Inohira posted...
No it isn't, incels don't even call women females, they call them femoids/foids.

Term is being overused to hell.

Maybe they do on their little incel forums, but I've never heard that term once anywhere. It isn't a term like "leftoid" where you actually see people out in the wild use it in spite of everyone knowing how cringe it is.

If anything, incel is an underused term given how omnipresent the ideology is, especially in gaming communities. But there are times when the way they talk overlaps "sigma male" types. At the heart of it is always toxic ideas on women. Normal people with healthy views on women don't talk like that.

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refmon
09/05/23 5:24:33 PM
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Every day reddit mods prove that Spez did nothing wrong.


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Guide
09/05/23 5:29:02 PM
#56:


StealThisSheen posted...
There was no implication. The dude was a full on incel and went on an incel rant when they said something about the title.

Did we have the post, or just the mod saying this is what happened?

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StealThisSheen
09/05/23 5:29:38 PM
#57:


Guide posted...
Did we have the post, or just the mod saying this is what happened?

The user in question has a shit ton of deleted posts so he clearly went on some kind of rant/meltdown. And it doesn't appear to be the first time, or the first sub where he's done it.

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Kradek
09/05/23 5:30:34 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/1/AAa0vfAAEzW9.jpg

Damn, this is amazing.

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dave_is_slick
09/05/23 5:33:13 PM
#59:


StealThisSheen posted...
The user in question has a shit ton of deleted posts so he clearly went on some kind of rant/meltdown. And it doesn't appear to be the first time, or the first sub where he's done it.
So that's a no.

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StealThisSheen
09/05/23 5:35:04 PM
#60:


dave_is_slick posted...
So that's a no.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm sure all of his posts were discussing philosophy at a highly introspective level.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:37:32 PM
#61:


StealThisSheen posted...
Yeah, you're probably right. I'm sure all of his posts were discussing philosophy at a highly introspective level.

Its just crazy the lengths people will go to defend people who share their ideology. "Oh, I'm sure the reason why he went on a mass deletion campaign on his account after getting modded was completely above board.".

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dancing_cactuar
09/05/23 5:37:49 PM
#62:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Yeah. I do wonder if femcels use male like that. It just isn't as common though.
I'm sure if someone ever cobbled together the Incelmarillion from all the bizarre terminology that incels and femcels use that they can deduce a pattern or some shit.

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LinkDaLunatic
09/05/23 5:38:27 PM
#63:


i think female is overdue for a rebranding
we should start pronouncing it like tamale

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Kradek
09/05/23 5:39:15 PM
#64:


It's a shame that the vitriolic incel Internet community has turned a neutral word into a dirty one.

I first remember it being used jokingly when someone translated "fuck bitches, make money" into "disregard females, acquire currency" and the toxic incel community now uses it like "that's just how females are and behave".

I get the mod's logic on their ruling, don't really think I find it banworthy, however it feels similar to how everybody kept saying "nuh uh it has nothing to do with Nazis, it's just the ok symbol!" even though we know 4chan was intentionally adopting that symbol for plausible deniability and we saw a ton of well-known alt-righters and white supremacists just happen to be using that symbol and smiling like the jackasses they are in group photos.

If you want to turn off your critical thinking skills and not make an obvious association they proudly demonstrate, then that's a route one can go, however for those of us not afraid to connect the dots, it's rather obvious.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:43:02 PM
#66:


Kradek posted...
however it feels similar to how everybody kept saying "nuh uh it has nothing to do with Nazis, it's just the ok symbol!"

It isn't really "everybody" who was doing it though. It was people who were specifically aligned with Nazi ideology (Or at least people who vaguely wanted to upset liberals). In the same sense, this is the kind of "plausible deniability" campaign going on with female being used like this.

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Guide
09/05/23 5:44:27 PM
#67:


StealThisSheen posted...
The user in question has a shit ton of deleted posts so he clearly went on some kind of rant/meltdown. And it doesn't appear to be the first time, or the first sub where he's done it.

That's not specific to incels. Most of the people here have had melties, even if they don't want to admit it.

I'm not looking to defend incels, but I dislike the whole "oh he used a word an incel used, he must also be an incel" thing. Before everything was a political tripmine, sometimes people would just say odd synonyms sometimes and no one would bat a fucking eye.

Like, if he said something actually bad, they would've banned him for the post. But they stated they banned him for a word.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:44:53 PM
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It isn't like its common, but I have heard it used on 261 before by some right-wing shitposter who was posing as a centrist. I think it comes from the Tim Pool community or one of those right wing grifters. Or it might just come from 4chan.

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Kradek
09/05/23 5:45:08 PM
#69:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
It isn't really "everybody" who was doing it though. It was people who were specifically aligned with Nazi ideology (Or at least people who vaguely wanted to upset liberals). In the same sense, this is the kind of "plausible deniability" campaign going on with female being used like this.

Obviously it was those sympathetic to Nazi ideals, but also the politically ignorant were saying that as well, because they couldn't be bothered to factor and ponder upon the evidence of what was happening with that symbol being co-opted by the alt-right/Nazis.

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Guide
09/05/23 5:50:10 PM
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it feels similar to how everybody kept saying "nuh uh it has nothing to do with Nazis, it's just the ok symbol!" even though we know 4chan was intentionally adopting that symbol for plausible deniability and we saw a ton of well-known alt-righters and white supremacists just happen to be using that symbol and smiling like the jackasses they are in group photos.

Antiracism/ "the left" needs to figure out how to not have kneejerk on that shit. Like, the logical conclusion of the "nazi ok symbol" is that anything nazis say they adopted is functionally adopted. There's the difficult but critical component of calling it when you see it, but then knowing when it's not the thing. The optics on calling out the average joe when he was innocuous and ignorant, instead of knowing and malicious, is a losing game.

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apocalyptic_4
09/05/23 5:53:55 PM
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We are over due for a reset.

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Kradek
09/05/23 5:56:06 PM
#73:


Guide posted...
Antiracism/ "the left" needs to figure out how to not have kneejerk on that shit. Like, the logical conclusion of the "nazi ok symbol" is that anything nazis say they adopted is functionally adopted. There's the difficult but critical component of calling it when you see it, but then knowing when it's not the thing. The optics on calling out the average joe when he was innocuous and ignorant, instead of knowing and malicious, is a losing game.

Yes, no duh. The people who know Nazis were adopting the symbol weren't typically decrying every single random person who does it. The contention comes with the people who refused to acknowledge that the alt-right and Nazi community were intentionally adopting a neutral symbol so they could play dumb over it later and claim "it's just the ok symbol!" when we see the likes of the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers flashing the symbol in group photos in unison while smiling like jackasses.

I didn't see any random person with no known association to alt-right ideology being called out on it, I did see a lot of fascists and Nazis try to play it off as innocent.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 5:59:54 PM
#74:


Guide posted...
Antiracism/ "the left" needs to figure out how to not have kneejerk on that shit. Like, the logical conclusion of the "nazi ok symbol" is that anything nazis say they adopted is functionally adopted. There's the difficult but critical component of calling it when you see it, but then knowing when it's not the thing. The optics on calling out the average joe when he was innocuous and ignorant, instead of knowing and malicious, is a losing game.

The reason why racists/ "the right" do this shit in the first place is because its always a losing proposition for antiracists/ "The left". If we don't call it out, they get a nice little symbol that they can use to communicate with each other publicly their allegiance to white supremacy, use for recruiting, get "normies" in on, ect. If we do call it out, its a "kneejerk" reaction to an "innocent" gesture.

The way to turn it into not a losing proposition is education. But unlike the right, the left doesn't have billionaires funding think tanks pumping out propaganda 24/7 to teach people about things. The best we've ever been able to do is get people to realize swastikas are bad, because that was literally the symbol of Nazi Germany. But we can't just accept a loss the second the answer to the question "Was it something literally used by the Nazis" becomes no, because neo-nazis have moved on from just copy-pastaing Nazi Germany.

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SpiritSephiroth
09/05/23 6:03:25 PM
#75:


Imagine agreeing with a Reddit mod lmao

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/05/23 6:04:35 PM
#76:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
Imagine agreeing with a Reddit mod lmao

Imagine white knighting for an incel, lmao.

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Questionmarktarius
09/05/23 6:05:32 PM
#79:


There are "women" RCA connectors now, I guess:
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Inohira
09/05/23 6:14:32 PM
#80:


StealThisSheen posted...


There was no implication. The dude was a full on incel and went on an incel rant when they said something about the title.

Decent theory. Let's see.

https://www.reddit.com/user/5slowmotionN/

Going back a year I can't find any instances of him identifying as an incel or posting on any incel or even dating related subreddits. In a post dated 9 months ago he claims his sex life is fine, and nowhere does he say otherwise. He's used "women" instead of "females" before, including in a post where he denounced Muslim men who beat their wives. And speaking of which he seems to mostly post about Indian and Islamic subjects, so his oddity about women may be a result of his cultural upbringing, rather than anything to do with incels.

On the subject of his alleged recent incel rant, well of course any claim could be made about deleted posts, but thankfully some sites can still see them.

https://www.reveddit.com/y/5slowmotionN/?all=true

Apparently there's nothing about incels in there either. He's rude, profane, and uses some conservative anti-feminist-ish logic in defense of himself, but that falls short of the accusation.

Not everyone who's weird about gender or misogynistic is an incel. Unless I'm missing something big this is yet another case of buzzword abuse (like when people accused that guy who shoved women off a cliff of being an incel, but then it turned out that he had an ex).

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NoxObscuras
09/05/23 6:14:35 PM
#81:


ROBANN_88 posted...
it has happened here on CE too several times over the years, that people use the term "females" as if they're talking about a zoo exhibit, and it always wierded me out
This. Every time I see someone online using "female" in a sentence, it's a sentence that's talking down to women, as if they're a lesser creature. The intent will be extremely clear and yet people will still come in like "I don't see the problem"

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SpiritSephiroth
09/05/23 6:23:44 PM
#82:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Imagine white knighting for an incel, lmao.

Context needed

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Crow0000
09/05/23 6:25:38 PM
#83:


NoxObscuras posted...
This. Every time I see someone online using "female" in a sentence, it's a sentence that's talking down to women, as if they're a lesser creature. The intent will be extremely clear and yet people will still come in like "I don't see the problem"
I love the double standard here. So it's okay to call someone a "man", or tell them that they are mansplaining, or criticize and insult male preferences

But use of the term "female" in a nonderogatory way is offensive?
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Crow0000
09/05/23 6:32:24 PM
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I love the double standard logic that calling an individual a female is offensive, but calling someone a virgin, incel, or creepy man is "ok" according to your logic.

It's okay to insult men in modern society. smh
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Crow0000
09/05/23 6:34:06 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Insulting men as a whole is not punishable on reddit or gamefaqs.
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Inohira
09/05/23 6:42:38 PM
#89:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Maybe they do on their little incel forums, but I've never heard that term once anywhere. It isn't a term like "leftoid" where you actually see people out in the wild use it in spite of everyone knowing how cringe it is.

True, their preferred terminology may just be insta-banned on normal forums, forcing them to skirt the line with "females" instead. So it could be "incelspeak" on forums where normal "incelspeak" isn't allowed.

Oddly I've never actually seen "leftoid", but you're accurate that the only time I've seen "femoid" is when linked to incel subreddits/etc.

But that said, having researched the dude (as far as I'm capable of reading through some unpleasant dude's Reddit history), he doesn't actually seem verifiable as an incel. Nothing he says goes beyond the profile of a standard casual misogynist. "Incel" is generally misogyny + sexual angst/entitlement with cultism on top, and he's not grieving his personal affairs or spreading black pill theories anywhere.

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whitelytning
09/05/23 6:43:23 PM
#90:


Im so confused.

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Alteres
09/05/23 6:45:53 PM
#91:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
The question isn't if "female" is an offensive term, its regarding to this specific usage of it. You can't say "The females blah blah blah" in a colloquial sense online without people instantly assigning a nasally conservative voice to whatever you are saying. Like, nice try gaslighting though, easy tag. If you are on a National Geographic reddit and are talking about the mating habits of female cheetahs or whatever, no one is going to fucking care.
lol, tagging veggetax... make sure to tell us who he is next time you need to call him out

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Anteaterking
09/05/23 6:50:21 PM
#92:


Kradek posted...
Yes, no duh. The people who know Nazis were adopting the symbol weren't typically decrying every single random person who does it. The contention comes with the people who refused to acknowledge that the alt-right and Nazi community were intentionally adopting a neutral symbol so they could play dumb over it later and claim "it's just the ok symbol!" when we see the likes of the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers flashing the symbol in group photos in unison while smiling like jackasses.

I didn't see any random person with no known association to alt-right ideology being called out on it, I did see a lot of fascists and Nazis try to play it off as innocent.

It's the circle game it's the circle game!

You know how when you play the circle game you just have a group of people hold the circle up in front of them like they're saluting.

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The_Apologist
09/05/23 6:52:40 PM
#93:


In some situations, it can be useful to classify people by sex rather than gender, referring to them as 'males' and 'females'. But apart from this highly specific situation, using 'male' or 'female' as a noun (when talking about humans) is rather cringe and/or sus.
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ModernPost
09/05/23 6:58:37 PM
#94:


Referring to women as "females" is cold and clinical. It sounds like you're talking about animals. In a casual setting I think it's reasonable to say it's off-putting and weird.

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Crow0000
09/05/23 6:59:33 PM
#95:


ModernPost posted...
Referring to women as "females" is cold and clinical. It sounds like you're talking about animals. In a casual setting I think it's reasonable to say it's off-putting and weird.
Yet if you call someone a "male", it's perfectly okay and acceptable. You're supporting the double standard that using the term "female" is offensive, but "male" isn't cold and clinical..because...male.
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ModernPost
09/05/23 7:01:37 PM
#96:


Crow0000 posted...
Yet if you call someone a "male", it's perfectly okay and acceptable. You're supporting the double standard that using the term "female" is offensive, but "male" isn't cold and clinical..because...male.
I didn't mention use of the word "male" at all? How could that be a double standard? I only talked about a single standard.

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Crow0000
09/05/23 7:02:29 PM
#97:


ModernPost posted...
I didn't mention use of the word "male" at all? How could that be a double standard? I only talked about a single standard.
You didn't mention it because you feel that only female is offensive. But "male" isn't. Perpetuating the idea that insulting men is perfectly fine.
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ModernPost
09/05/23 7:02:58 PM
#98:


Crow0000 posted...
You didn't mention it because you feel that female is offensive. But "male" isn't.
Did I say that?

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GuitaristMatt
09/05/23 7:02:59 PM
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Weird tc cropped out the edit. OOP basically confirmed they were an incel

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Crow0000
09/05/23 7:05:16 PM
#100:


ModernPost posted...
Did I say that?
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