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Jx1010
08/17/23 3:05:39 PM
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Why are we creating humanoid robots?
More people either way

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TendoDRM
08/17/23 3:15:06 PM
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It's not.

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CRON
08/17/23 3:16:24 PM
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The world isn't overpopulated. The problem is a very small amount of people are hoarding a large amount of resources that in theory could be properly distributed throughout the world leading to significant improvements to quality of life.

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FF_Redux
08/17/23 3:16:33 PM
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So they can start eliminate the biological humans to save the planet.

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vegeta415
08/17/23 3:17:40 PM
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CRON posted...
The world isn't overpopulated. The problem is a very small amount of people are hoarding a large amount of resources that in theory could be properly distributed throughout the world leading to significant improvements to quality of life.
Communist. Clearly Reganomics wasnt a good idea though.
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AnsestralRecall
08/17/23 3:20:45 PM
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TendoDRM posted...
It's not.

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BB_mofo
08/17/23 3:25:59 PM
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Jx1010 posted...
Why are we creating humanoid robots?

In the novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" the answer for why androids have to be indistinguishable from humans is "sex". Decker even confronts the company about this and resents having to answer to perverts on Mars.

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Crimsoness
08/17/23 3:26:35 PM
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To have sex with

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Jx1010
08/18/23 1:21:30 AM
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TendoDRM posted...
It's not.
Its not??

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Webmaster4531
08/18/23 1:26:01 AM
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Crimsoness posted...
To have sex with
This. Both pictures the mouth hole has clearly already been used.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/18/23 1:26:59 AM
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CRON posted...
The world isn't overpopulated. The problem is a very small amount of people are hoarding a large amount of resources that in theory could be properly distributed throughout the world leading to significant improvements to quality of life.

Disagree. If we wherent over populated we wouldn't feel the need to have animals in such inhumane conditions being farmed for food.

Heck if we didnt farm our food meat in particular and we went with how nature intended (hunt for food) we'd probably have wiped out a lot of species by now.

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Smashingpmkns
08/18/23 1:37:03 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
Disagree. If we wherent over populated we wouldn't feel the need to have animals in such inhumane conditions being farmed for food.
The meat industry doesn't utilize inhumane livestock conditions due to scarcity.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/18/23 1:37:50 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
The meat industry doesn't utilize inhumane livestock conditions due to scarcity.

It's not scarcity..... it's there is a lot of mouths to feed.

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Dark_Arbron
08/18/23 1:42:19 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
The meat industry doesn't utilize inhumane livestock conditions due to scarcity.

Right. Its to cut costs, as always.

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Smashingpmkns
08/18/23 1:45:22 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
It's not scarcity..... it's there is a lot of mouths to feed.
It's not that either. There's way more animals farmed per human than there were in the mid-1900s, and our population has obviously grown since.

1960s-ish there were around 2 farmed animals per human now we're at around 10+. That's a huge increase.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/18/23 1:49:18 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
It's not that either. There's way more animals farmed per human than there were in the mid-1900s, and our population has obviously grown since.

1960s-ish there were around 2 farmed animals per human now we're at around 10+. That's a huge increase.

We eat a lot more. Hence the sterotype us Americans are fat. Not helping my argument but I will say fast-food probably contributes to this too. They waste a lot of food.

Just saying though if the population was far less We could easily get by with all farmed animals being free range.

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AI_TechGam3FAQS
08/18/23 1:52:12 AM
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Because we are petty and will force the robots to remember just whos legacy they are when they rise up.

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Smashingpmkns
08/18/23 1:56:25 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
We eat a lot more. Hence the sterotype us Americans are fat. Not helping my argument but I will say fast-food probably contributes to this too. They waste a lot of food.

Just saying though if the population was far less We could easily get by with all farmed animals being free range.
I mean, americans are fat due to dietary issues caused by decades of the meat industry (and other parts of the food industry like sugar and dairy tbf) lying about their products in regards to how healthy or important they are in a regular diet.

We could easily factory farm less animals and still have more than enough to go around in the US. We don't because of infinite growth and the fact that these companies don't give a shit either way for the health and safety of the public nor the animals they're slaughtering.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/18/23 2:03:09 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I mean, americans are fat due to dietary issues caused by decades of the meat industry (and other parts of the food industry like sugar and dairy tbf) lying about their products in regards to how healthy or important they are in a regular diet.

We could easily factory farm less animals and still have more than enough to go around in the US. We don't because of infinite growth and the fact that these companies don't give a shit either way for the health and safety of the public nor the animals they're slaughtering.

Ok let me go at another angle. We are destroying the world. We could live as we do with little impact on the world if there wherent so many of us.

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TendoDRM
08/18/23 2:08:01 AM
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Jx1010 posted...
Its not??

It's not.

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Smashingpmkns
08/18/23 2:10:33 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
Ok let me go at another angle. We are destroying the world. We could live as we do with little impact on the world if there wherent so many of us.
You and I aren't destroying the world. Huge corporations are. Hell, the amount of waste a small engineering firm produces most likely dwarfs what your entire neighborhood produces. Now imagine something like Amazon or McDonald's or Walmart or whatever.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/18/23 2:14:49 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
You and I aren't destroying the world. Huge corporations are. Hell, the amount of waste a small engineering firm produces most likely dwarfs what your entire neighborhood produces. Now imagine something like Amazon or McDonald's or Walmart or whatever.

We contribute to this. These corporations wouldn't exist if they didn't provide something we want.

My mind was thinking of deforestation. We do it for paper to make lumber or simply to clear space to build shit.

It makes me sad when I see them clear out a lot of trees. I love forests/woods.

And it's not just about the trees. All the animals we are fucking over doing too is sad.

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party_animal07
08/18/23 2:16:03 AM
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A better question is why we feel the need to make robots look human.

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Finis-XII
08/18/23 2:30:52 AM
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party_animal07 posted...
A better question is why we feel the need to make robots look human.
...Because it's appealing in a cool sci-fi way?

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Jx1010
08/18/23 4:37:44 AM
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Finis-XII posted...
...Because it's appealing in a cool sci-fi way?
Cool scifi way = socially conditioned through years of different forms of entertainment

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rexcrk
08/18/23 6:32:50 AM
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I feel like the people who say the world isnt overpopulated have never had to work in the service or retail industries (lucky bastards). Or can just take a drive somewhere without having to worry about traffic / people driving like idiots. Or can just go to the store at any time and not have to wait on long lines to checkout. And so on.


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TheHorus
08/18/23 6:54:51 AM
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The world is overpopulated. There is not, one, not two, not three, but FOUR people living in this town:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/life-in-a-town-with-a-population-of-four
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboy,_California

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KajeI
08/18/23 7:12:10 AM
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The world isn't overpopulated. There's more than enough resources around for literally every single human on the planet to enjoy a life of (relative) comfort at bare minimum.

However humanity has collectively decided to allow resources to be hoarded and wasted in, frankly, unfathomably large quantities, because Reasons (most of which boil down to Selfishness at the root, whether its their own personal comfort or their own desires). As a result many people, if not the majority, live in a world of artificially induced scarcity, and allow it because it's too inconvenient to fix it.

For example, there's ~16 million vacant homes in the US atm. There's about ~600k homeless people. Quick math says there's literally TWENTY-SIX houses per homeless person. Even if 80% of the vacant houses are in horrible condition, that's still 2+ houses per person, with room left over.

Food is no better. We all know that tons of people starve every day. How many of you know just how much edible food gets straight up wasted and thrown out? A quick google search says

How much food waste is there in the United States? Each year, 119 billion pounds of food is wasted in the United States. That equates to 130 billion meals and more than $408 billion in food thrown away each year.

That's JUST the US, and just from our current production capabilities (which can/will also be improved). It's fucking disgusting that ANYONE ever has to miss a meal.

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TL:DR, there's not a scarcity of resources, just a scarcity of goodwill.

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LaLeyenda
08/18/23 7:25:01 AM
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The world is overpopulated.

Population distribution in certain regions of the United States, Canada, Spain, and Australia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwJABxjcvUc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=650wkKxPejc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL8XPZp4-5c
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KajeI
08/18/23 7:27:46 AM
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Clearly, ending world hunger will require more money. Back in July of 2021, U.N. World Food Programme Executive Director David Beasley told us it would take an estimated $40 billion each year to end world hunger by 2030.

40b per year to end hunger across the ENTIRE WORLD. Some people put it higher, at a whopping 47b per year.
Currently we have 408b per year in food waste, in JUST the US.

Sounds to me like the problem is a blatant misallocation of resources.

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Philip027
08/18/23 7:29:35 AM
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KajeI posted...
TL:DR, there's not a scarcity of resources, just a scarcity of goodwill.

Does the reason really matter if those 600k homeless people have basically no power to change it regardless?

As a result many people, if not the majority, live in a world of artificially induced scarcity, and allow it because it's too inconvenient to fix it.

Please, by all means, tell us what those homeless people should do to fix said scarcity.
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Dark_Arbron
08/18/23 7:30:00 AM
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KajeI posted...
40b per year to end hunger across the ENTIRE WORLD. Some people put it higher, at a whopping 47b per year.
Currently we have 408b per year in food waste, in JUST the US.

Sounds to me like the problem is a blatant misallocation of resources.

but sharing is communism, people should just Work Harder if they want to be billionaires


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KajeI
08/18/23 7:32:29 AM
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Philip027 posted...
Does the reason really matter if those 600k homeless people have basically no power to change it regardless?

Please, by all means, tell us what those homeless people should do to fix said scarcity.
Please, by all means, tell me what makes you think what I said indicates that the homeless are the ones who need to fix it?

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Philip027
08/18/23 7:32:53 AM
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KajeI posted...
Please, by all means, tell me what makes you think what I said indicates that the homeless are the ones who need to fix it?

What reason do the people with homes have to care?
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KajeI
08/18/23 7:43:16 AM
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Philip027 posted...
What reason do the people with homes have to care?
Idk, ask the San Francisco peeps that made that app to know which streets to avoid because they happen to be covered in unbearable amounts of shit that particular day.

I'm sure all those homeowners with extra vacant homes that are just sitting there with no tenants and no one to buy them while they still have to pay taxes/upkeep/etc are real happy with their investments.

I sure do know that I love getting stopped by random panhandlers while I'm just trying to go about my day.

It really tickles my bean seeing the things people in (or about to be in) unfortunate situations do to others out of desperation.

I bet HoA's love the homeless and what their presence does for their property values and communal mental health. They probably have a lot in common with gas station or fast food workers on that front.

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Let's flip the question around. What're the reasons you think the people with homes have that causes them to not care?

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EndOfDiscOne
08/18/23 7:48:29 AM
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Modern civilization is bad for the planet. Everywhere you look, youll see space cleared out for humans that destroyed wildlife and cut down on biodiversity. And our population ballooned with the rise of fossil fuels. Its not a matter of space or current resources, its that our population level is unnatural and being supported in a way that destroys the environment. Eventually we will see real food scarcity because of this.

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Prismsblade
08/18/23 8:00:04 AM
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Yes, but Not necessarily in terms of space, but more so supply. CoL and QoL will never be as good or as affordable as it was in the boomers days because their are just to many people now to facilitate that good a life for most people.

There isn't enough good jobs, particularly in tech that skewered the wealth gap harder then most realize. Not enough houses in high demand citys, and to many people now on social security for it to be sustainable.

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Philip027
08/18/23 8:01:00 AM
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KajeI posted...
Let's flip the question around. What're the reasons you think the people with homes have that causes them to not care?

Do you think this problem would exist in the first place if they generally did care?
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KajeI
08/18/23 8:01:50 AM
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Philip027 posted...
Do you think this problem would exist in the first place if they generally did care?
Read my previous posts to find out.

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Philip027
08/18/23 8:18:10 AM
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So, based on the fact the problem does exist in the first place, what conclusion can you then draw about whether or not the people with homes care about the plights of the homeless? Clearly, your reasons provided aren't enough to actually fix the problem; they're not making people care enough.

On another matter, how many of the people with homes who are bothered/impacted by homeless people do you think just wish the homeless people would go away, rather than actually help them in any sort of capacity?
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KajeI
08/18/23 8:20:44 AM
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You ever hear that phrase "Reading the card explains the card"? I wonder why that keeps coming to mind.

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Philip027
08/18/23 8:23:48 AM
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No
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GrandConjuraton
08/18/23 8:24:53 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
but sharing is communism, people should just Work Harder if they want to be billionaires


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apocalyptic_4
08/18/23 9:04:13 AM
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Nope.

The reasons listed are man made problems that have solutions no one in power is willing to do. The root of alot of problems in this world is due to human nature of greed and selfishness.

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Jx1010
08/18/23 5:11:52 PM
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apocalyptic_4 posted...
Nope.

The reasons listed are man made problems that have solutions no one in power is willing to do. The root of alot of problems in this world is due to human nature of greed and selfishness.
That I agree with

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Questionmarktarius
08/18/23 5:13:28 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
but sharing is communism, people should just Work Harder if they want to be billionaires
Nothing wrong with communism, so long as it's voluntary.
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flussence
08/18/23 5:15:47 PM
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isn't it weird how the same people who espouse ecofascist talking points like this are also the ones saying how the white population is too low. i wonder what they imply by that

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Voidgolem
08/18/23 5:25:10 PM
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the world is not overpopulated, by raw landmass we've still got ample room for everyone.

However, the powers that be have determined that it is not worthwhile to improve the relevant logistical distribution or infrastructure to support the population we do have, which leads to problems like starvation/homelessness/overcrowding/strained utilities - the crux of the decision is not quality of life for the populace, the crux of the decision is an arbitrary unit of worth that society has agreed upon.

We -have- the resources. We can't get them to the people who need them. Because the number do not go up in a way that pleases the people who influence that sort of decisionmaking. Oh well.

It is my hope that, as the older, entrenched hyper-mogul types relinquish their death grips on the relevant sectors (either by sudden onset of "oh god what have I done" or because they've expired), we'll see rapid change come about in the next ten to twenty years. The interim period's probably gonna suck a bit though.

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KajeI
08/18/23 5:26:24 PM
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Damn Void, feel like I haven't seen you in forever. What's up?

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Questionmarktarius
08/18/23 5:26:26 PM
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The entire human population could functionally all fit into Delaware, it just just wouldn't be very pleasant.
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