Current Events > The more I live life, I realize it's more about hanging on rather than intellige

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intelligence. I mean you could be dumb as a rock, but if you have basic competence and show up to what you're supposed to show up for all the time, that's more than enough. Life's a god**** participation trophy exercise, f***.

So what did you not show up to?

damn i thought it'd be a joke where the TC can't ha

I used to think my life was Walking on Sunshine.
Now I realize that it's Jack & Diane.

havin' a moment of introspection there, are you bruv?

.... Are you saying you are dealt a bad hand because you are intelligent, but lazy?

Chrknu posted...

.... Are you saying you are dealt a bad hand because you are intelligent, but lazy?

I know that really gives me a hard time on the regular.

Chrknu posted...

.... Are you saying you are dealt a bad hand because you are intelligent, but lazy?

I can say that's a rough one.

I would trade my "intelligence" and curiosity for the ability to thrive at menial tasks and persevere. If you have both... you're golden, but if you are born with only one I'd take the ability to thrive doing menial tasks over intellectual curiosity in a second.

Why? Because our capitalist hierarchical society has only a few spots for creative and intellectually curious people, and those positions are tightly contested all the time and will go to the more driven regardless of talent... those who can do menial work day in and day out without it getting to them too much are far better off as a whole. Again... if you got both congratulations. Otherwise capitalist society can always use a hard worker, but has no use for extraneous creative types.

Yep. That's how I got my first promotion

I was raised religious (Allah)but now after years of pondering and coffee
there is none bUT there is a higher power

OriginalPlain2 posted...

I was raised religious (Allah)but now after years of pondering and coffee
there is none bUT there is a higher power

The thing is:

None of the established religions make any sense.

A hidden god that has no interaction with it's creation is effectively no different from having no god at all.

Torgo posted...

I can say that's a rough one.

I would trade my "intelligence" and curiosity for the ability to thrive at menial tasks and persevere. If you have both... you're golden, but if you are born with only one I'd take the ability to thrive doing menial tasks over intellectual curiosity in a second.

Why? Because our capitalist hierarchical society has only a few spots for creative and intellectually curious people, and those positions are tightly contested all the time and will go to the more driven regardless of talent... those who can do menial work day in and day out without it getting to them too much are far better off as a whole. Again... if you got both congratulations. Otherwise capitalist society can always use a hard worker, but has no use for extraneous creative types.

Being a menial doesn't pay very well.

Torgo posted...

I can say that's a rough one.

I would trade my "intelligence" and curiosity for the ability to thrive at menial tasks and persevere. If you have both... you're golden, but if you are born with only one I'd take the ability to thrive doing menial tasks over intellectual curiosity in a second.

Why? Because our capitalist hierarchical society has only a few spots for creative and intellectually curious people, and those positions are tightly contested all the time and will go to the more driven regardless of talent... those who can do menial work day in and day out without it getting to them too much are far better off as a whole. Again... if you got both congratulations. Otherwise capitalist society can always use a hard worker, but has no use for extraneous creative types.

Theres some truth to this, but there are also a huge number of people who believe themselves to be intellectual or creative and, in truth, are not.

Intellectuals do not have to say they are intellectuals

O_o

Torgo posted...

I can say that's a rough one.

I would trade my "intelligence" and curiosity for the ability to thrive at menial tasks and persevere. If you have both... you're golden, but if you are born with only one I'd take the ability to thrive doing menial tasks over intellectual curiosity in a second.

Why? Because our capitalist hierarchical society has only a few spots for creative and intellectually curious people, and those positions are tightly contested all the time and will go to the more driven regardless of talent... those who can do menial work day in and day out without it getting to them too much are far better off as a whole. Again... if you got both congratulations. Otherwise capitalist society can always use a hard worker, but has no use for extraneous creative types.

A quick and easy response would be: Maybe you are lazier, but less intelligent and creative than you think? J/k

But let's examine it a bit more. I'm not a big proponent of capitalism (in the US I'm probably a full blown socialist), but I actually think that being intelligent and creative can be advantages that the more task doers can't compete with, and that is something capitalism takes advantage of, in favor of the creative intelligent types.

I'm not very creative, and at least not IQ intelligent (I scored 105-110 when I tried it at high school, i think), but I'm good at thinking ahead, so I use that to my strength.

If you are intelligent and creative, I'm positive there are loads of avenues for you, but you might have to play the game for a couple of years to get it. And it's possible to be lazy while playing, but you need to look ahead and make a plan. Or play the numbers game by constructing an application in a way that makes you interesting and just send it out everywhere that's interesting to you.

Finding something you enjoy is a good start, then find out how that can be used to get money. It's easy to not be lazy if you enjoy what you're doing. Use your intelligence and creativity to find out how to apply it. I don't really think "capitalism" is yours to blame, unless you over value your attributes.

I'll let ce be the judge.

First off I am not American. My citizenship is in an East Asian country, but I mostly had my education in American academic institutions.

I did not have a stable upbringing either. My parent's occupation forced me to attend around a dozen schools throughout 3 different countries. In the US I was mostly in southern California, a place which in some ways I consider my hometown.

I was born in Korea but also grew up in Japan, then in the US. In the US I probably lived in around 4 regions, though we moved apartments quiet often, like yearly. I lived in Pasedena, Irvine, Lake Forest then onto Riverside. When I was 15 my visa, or let's rather say my parents visa had run out and we had go to renew it back home (to a country I never really grew up in).

Back "home" our renewal was denied. So basically my entire life that I had in the US had vanished. In this new place I didn't have an understanding of the culture, even if it was techincally the country of my ethnicity. Also being from a scattered upbringing, I had considerable anxiety because of the constant adjustments I had to make, everytime that I moved to a new apartment, city, or school. So the stress was compounded as I went into highschool.

In this country I wasn't there for long either, soon after my family and I had to go to Japan. In Japan I had gone to an American international school, and I had thought that I would belong again. But it seemed like the nature of the school was that it was a bubble, and so I felt even more alienated. People there thought that they were alienated from Japan, which I thought was amusing, because these people have been in the same school from k to 12, while I had been in f***ing different schools almost yearly.

College was a bit difficult because of the innate anxiety I wasn't able to process when I was younger. But that didn't really matter as my parent's weren't rich enough to sustain my attendance. I wasn't an American citizen, so finacial aid was limited.

I soon had to come back to my ethnic country. There I was in a period of limbo, deciding whether to go to school here or not. But then I went into the military ( it's mandatory) to buy some time. After 2 years, I went into a school that was cheap, my parent's alumni school. I went into a degree I knew I didn't want to pursue in, but not knowing where to go or where to get help, I just went in. I spent about 5 years at that place, during covid and through a protest against the school president, which pretty much exasperated my anxiety and general sense of direction in life.

It's pretty deliberating because althroughout this my parents were in another country because of their 'occupation'.

You could say I probably became an adult when I was in middle school, because of all the shit I had endured beforehand.

So before anyone accuses me of introspection, please take in consideration of my background.

I know a friend who had a similar upbringing as I, and he eventually jumped off a bridge.

Also being in 3 different countries and witnessing the political and economic evolution of these societies, it's very easy to grasp the general motive and intent of most people. In other words, I see through the soul of any one person. Laziness isn't really a factor here, I've seen more than most people in their entire lifetimes to know more than whatever they think what constitutes as 'life'.

My grandfather, before he past, gave me much insight as to what life was, and in some ways I've probably overcome his understanding of life. Same with my parents or the life of the people in my own generation.

Some people resort to death when becomes too numb to overcome, but that valley of despair itself is something I've transcended as well. Mental disorders also come and go and through those experiences you have a very keen understanding of the very poor and destitute, and those who commit violent crimes.

Anyway I've had a share of colorful experiences.

I would end on a light note, but I do sometimes wish for a more simpler fate. I think most people would had killed themselves by now if they had gine through the same shit that I had gone through. I dont mean as a point of pride, it's just that my experiences aren't so readily be shares with anyone who lived in the same town all their lives. Being unique is a terrible lonliness.

It isnt all or nothing

Hustle culture is a scam
Being smart isnt enough to get you everywhere

You need to be able to get along with people, and do what you need to do. Every situation is different.

its balance

Iyami posted...

Being a menial doesn't pay very well.

If you can work really hard and be responsible, you can work your way up or at least trade off experience for a better position where you are or elsewhere.

Neither situation is great. Being a creative, intellectually curious type without connections, a really solid work ethic, and some luck gets you a menial job that doesn't pay well and it's even harder because you're physically taxed and mentally bored all day.

I envy people that can turn off their brain and be satisfied with menial work... I'm not better than them and that does not mean they are dumb. It just means they are far better adapted for our capitalist society where labor is deeply undervalued and creative or technical jobs are ultra-competitive. They would also be more useful than me in a zombie apocalypse.

Chrknu posted...

If you are intelligent and creative, I'm positive there are loads of avenues for you, but you might have to play the game for a couple of years to get it. And it's possible to be lazy while playing, but you need to look ahead and make a plan. Or play the numbers game by constructing an application in a way that makes you interesting and just send it out everywhere that's interesting to you.

This is not bad advice, but there is no guarantee that will work. In the meantime, as you work towards these career goals in your personal, you still have to find the time and energy to do the labor that will allow you to live day to day and afford food, shelter, and the means to get around... and that's the struggle.

Ive considered suicide after the things I been through in life
the main sad thing is I broke my back as a kid and also nearly drowned
now I truly learned what brain aneurysm is just an hour ago
i have high blood pressure

despite all this I did some pretty good labor work and wish I could do much more
sadly I think my body is getting weaker

I ask God to work on me as he wills now that I believe I shouldve gone to rest a few times in life

the Bible may not be all true which truly saddens me but its all I have hopes about

Torgo posted...

The thing is:

None of the established religions make any sense.

A hidden god that has no interaction with it's creation is effectively no different from having no god at all.

It also doesnt pass Occams Razor.

Ever seen someone say I accept evolution, but I believe God kickstarted it and is just watching? Its a form of goalpost moving. The established religion has been sufficiently debunked so theyre trying to salvage what they can. Same reason why people argue the Bible wasnt meant to be literal (it was).

Whatever makes them happy I guess.

OriginalPlain2 posted...

Ive considered suicide after the things I been through in life
the main sad thing is I broke my back as a kid and also nearly drowned
now I truly learned what brain aneurysm is just an hour ago
i have high blood pressure

despite all this I did some pretty good labor work and wish I could do much more
sadly I think my body is getting weaker

I ask God to work on me as he wills now that I believe I shouldve gone to rest a few times in life

the Bible may not be all true which truly saddens me but its all I have hopes about

Hey your struggles are different from mine, but as people who've experienced a greater spectrum of the human experience, hang in there. When we finished the race the glory that we will recieve then will be more than enough.

Dark_Arbron posted...

It also doesnt pass Occams Razor.

Ever seen someone say I accept evolution, but I believe God kickstarted it and is just watching? Its a form of goalpost moving. The established religion has been sufficiently debunked so theyre trying to salvage what they can. Same reason why people argue the Bible wasnt meant to be literal (it was).

Whatever makes them happy I guess.

It's amusing when people bring up Occam's razor because it has nothing to do with complexity, but with metaphysics. Occam was a theologian, and the only reason he invoked this axiom is because he wanted to argue for a position in theology. The guy isn't even atheist, he literally talked about God stuff for a living.

Look up nominalism and Occam.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

I'll let ce be the judge.

First off I am not American. My citizenship is in an East Asian country, but I mostly had my education in American academic institutions.

I did not have a stable upbringing either. My parent's occupation forced me to attend around a dozen schools throughout 3 different countries. In the US I was mostly in southern California, a place which in some ways I consider my hometown.

I was born in Korea but also grew up in Japan, then in the US. In the US I probably lived in around 4 regions, though we moved apartments quiet often, like yearly. I lived in Pasedena, Irvine, Lake Forest then onto Riverside. When I was 15 my visa, or let's rather say my parents visa had run out and we had go to renew it back home (to a country I never really grew up in).

Back "home" our renewal was denied. So basically my entire life that I had in the US had vanished. In this new place I didn't have an understanding of the culture, even if it was techincally the country of my ethnicity. Also being from a scattered upbringing, I had considerable anxiety because of the constant adjustments I had to make, everytime that I moved to a new apartment, city, or school. So the stress was compounded as I went into highschool.

In this country I wasn't there for long either, soon after my family and I had to go to Japan. In Japan I had gone to an American international school, and I had thought that I would belong again. But it seemed like the nature of the school was that it was a bubble, and so I felt even more alienated. People there thought that they were alienated from Japan, which I thought was amusing, because these people have been in the same school from k to 12, while I had been in f***ing different schools almost yearly.

College was a bit difficult because of the innate anxiety I wasn't able to process when I was younger. But that didn't really matter as my parent's weren't rich enough to sustain my attendance. I wasn't an American citizen, so finacial aid was limited.

I soon had to come back to my ethnic country. There I was in a period of limbo, deciding whether to go to school here or not. But then I went into the military ( it's mandatory) to buy some time. After 2 years, I went into a school that was cheap, my parent's alumni school. I went into a degree I knew I didn't want to pursue in, but not knowing where to go or where to get help, I just went in. I spent about 5 years at that place, during covid and through a protest against the school president, which pretty much exasperated my anxiety and general sense of direction in life.

It's pretty deliberating because althroughout this my parents were in another country because of their 'occupation'.

You could say I probably became an adult when I was in middle school, because of all the shit I had endured beforehand.

So before anyone accuses me of introspection, please take in consideration of my background.

I know a friend who had a similar upbringing as I, and he eventually jumped off a bridge.

Also being in 3 different countries and witnessing the political and economic evolution of these societies, it's very easy to grasp the general motive and intent of most people. In other words, I see through the soul of any one person. Laziness isn't really a factor here, I've seen more than most people in their entire lifetimes to know more than whatever they think what constitutes as 'life'.

My grandfather, before he past, gave me much insight as to what life was, and in some ways I've probably overcome his understanding of life. Same with my parents or the life of the people in my own generation.

Some people resort to death when becomes too numb to overcome, but that valley of despair itself is something I've transcended as well. Mental disorders also come and go and through those experiences you have a very keen understanding of the very poor and destitute, and those who commit violent crimes.

Anyway I've had a share of colorful experiences.

I would end on a light note, but I do sometimes wish for a more simpler fate. I think most people would had killed themselves by now if they had gine through the same shit that I had gone through. I dont mean as a point of pride, it's just that my experiences aren't so readily be shares with anyone who lived in the same town all their lives. Being unique is a terrible lonliness.

Not getting into the broader discussion of perseverance vs creativity - just wanted to say that was an incredible read :)

Damn, this topic cuts deep. I know what you mean, TC

Being reliable is quite important.

Go ahead and be the expert of seeing patterns on your iq test, but being on time is key.

Interesting