Current Events > LMAO Still no Pokemon RBY and GSC on Switch. Enjoy those rentals in Stadium 2!

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GameFreak says get fucked.

GameFreak says how does that **** taste in your mouth? lololololol

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAfOu0AAEvCt.jpg

It will come eventually. They just like to tease

can't you just hack?

It will eventually come. Of course, you'll have to buy them again as part of the virtual console treadmill scheme. Rinse and repeat for whatever succeeds the Switch.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

GameFreak says how does that **** taste in your mouth? lololololol

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAfOu0AAEvCt.jpg

Hey, when I was 11 I also loved Zap Cannon.

Karovorak posted...

Hey, when I was 11 I also loved Zap Cannon.

The real shame there is Gyarados having such an atrocious moveset.

Fitting, given he's the atrocious pokemon.

As pointed out before its not on Gamefreak for how these releases go.

lmao fire spin

I love that Gyarados has Leer, but can't utilize it

DKBananaSlamma posted...

I love that Gyarados has Leer, but can't utilize it

Being leered at by a Gyarados would be pretty scary though.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Being leered at by a Gyarados would be pretty scary though.

Would it though? I think Mean Look would be more intimidating

GameFreak says suck it Trebek

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/7/7/AAfOu0AAEvC9.jpg

GameFreak says deez nuts

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AAfOu0AAEvDG.jpg

Complete and total fucking waste of excellent battle simulators.

"Enjoy facing off with the best trainers of pokemon Gold and Silver."

Yeah, have fun literally never seeing the endgame trainers because you're running a race with one leg sawed off.

There is no excuse for releasing these with literally THE key feature blocked off. I don't care what weakass defenses anyone throws up for Gamefreak; whether it's them or TPC as a whole, or a damn intern, SOMEONE should have blocked this until it was fixed.

Baha05 posted...

Would it though? I think Mean Look would be more intimidating

Even better, Mean Look first and then Leer. I'm terrified, yet just can't bring myself to run.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Complete and total fucking waste of excellent battle simulators.

"Enjoy facing off with the best trainers of pokemon Gold and Silver."

Yeah, have fun literally never seeing the endgame trainers because you're running a race with one leg sawed off.

There is no excuse for releasing these with literally THE key feature blocked off. I don't care what weakass defenses anyone throws up for Gamefreak; whether it's them or TPC as a whole, or a damn intern, SOMEONE should have blocked this until it was fixed.

It would be on TPC and Nintendo.

Though somewhere online I bet someone is laughing in Speed Running

Did you see Werster's video when Stadium 1 came out and he was just chuckling menacingly and offering people his pain inducing speedrun strategies?

I'd agree with Duncan if he wasn't being so smug and annoying about it.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Did you see Werster's video when Stadium 1 came out and he was just chuckling menacingly and offering people his pain inducing speedrun strategies?

Keizaron and ExarionU are my favorite runners.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Did you see Werster's video when Stadium 1 came out and he was just chuckling menacingly and offering people his pain inducing speedrun strategies?

Were they good or parody?

GameFreak says watch me smack my balls in your face

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/9/AAfOu0AAEvDJ.jpg

Baha05 posted...

It would be on TPC and Nintendo.

Though somewhere online I bet someone is laughing in Speed Running

yes, yes, I know gamefreak has no say, no power, amd no responsibility for the games they make, and Nintendo had no interest in putting literally the best selling gameboy games of all time on their platform. Just the mediocre, much worse selling card spinoff.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

yes, yes, I know gamefreak has no say, no power, amd no responsibility for the games they make, and Nintendo had no interest in putting literally the best selling gameboy games of all time on their platform. Just the mediocre, much worse selling card spinoff.

Well for this its not something they are actively working on so there is literally no point in dragging them into this if all these parts are more based on how Nintendo is releasing these ports.

Baha05 posted...

Were they good or parody?

I think the joke was that it's a miserable game to speedrun and that without their real teams from the main games, people are forced to turn to him.

Baha05 posted...

Well for this its not something they are actively working on so there is literally no point in dragging them into this if all these parts are more based on how Nintendo is releasing these ports.

Dude... Nintendo is releasing what TPC and GF give them.

Are you seriously going to look me in the eye and tell me that Nintendo is deliberately not putting RBY or GSC on the Gameboy branch of NSO, but opted to actively court the TCG game instead?

They are literally the defining games of the platform. Some of the best selling and most beloved games of all time. It's like not putting Super Mario Brothers on the NES branch.

They are releasing what they are being given. And what they are being given is incomplete packages.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Dude... Nintendo is releasing what TPC and GF give them.

Are you seriously going to look me in the eye and tell me that Nintendo is deliberately not putting RBY or GSC on the Gameboy branch of NSO, but opted to actively court the TCG game instead?

They are literally the defining games of the platform. Some of the best selling and most beloved games of all time. It's like not putting Super Mario Brothers on the NES branch.

They are releasing what they are being given. And what they are being given is incom0lete packages.

I am telling you again that one they dont NEED to have Gamefreak or even TPC to give them the ROMs they are NINTENDO. This is the same company that has had backups of games they dont even own the legal rights to in order to port them.

So by process of elimination they would be the ones that would need to implement any and all changes to the emulators to either have the Pokemon games on NSO work with Stadium or have the games built into Stadium.

Plus lets be real here people have always shit on the offering if the VC platform from Nintendos side for what? Decades almost since the Wii? But oh with Pokemon that isnt on them apparently because its convenient to simply push the narrative to blaming the creators of Pokemon who have no involvement here.

Also arguably they arent releasing incomplete packages anyhow they are releasing the game how it releases if you dont own the GB games or the transfer pak.

oh no, please don't mod m8.

It's not the actual process of handing over a copy of a rom, of course Nintendo has that, but the actual approval of the license holders, of which Nintendo is only one piece, to actually put Pokmon games on NSO. Nintendo can't actually do that unilaterally.

That means someone between GF, TPC, and Nintendo is preventing the process.

Baha05 posted...

I am telling you again that one they dont NEED to have Gamefreak or even TPC to give them the ROMs they are NINTENDO.

In the case of joint ownership, they absolutely do. There's a reason why Super Mario RPG, Donkey Kong 64, and others have had such sporadic histories I'm terms of availability: despite owning the IP, Nintendo doesn't have full rights to the game, no matter where it has released before.

And because Nintendo does not have full power over pokemon, as you so regularly love to bring up, they lack the authority to just list pokemon games whenever they like. It requires approval from TPC and Gamefreak.

Compsognathus posted...

It's not the actual process of handing over a copy of a rom, of course Nintendo has that, but the actual approval of the license holders, of which Nintendo is only one piece, to actually put Pokmon games on NSO. Nintendo can't actually do that unilaterally.

That means someone between GF, TPC, and Nintendo is preventing the process.

Or it could be the other option that its just lazy programming and they dont want to try to figure out which way to go.

Because on one hand you have each game having the Gameboy Tower so you have the games built into that, but that might make people question why those games arent on the service (and gow you would switch between them would be some different programming)

On the other hand you also have the NSO route and having all six games if the first two Gens connect to the games but with how there is a speed option on the Stadium games you would have to consider if they allow for Home use after the fact.

So this might be something that in any case might be a bit kore complex in terms if programming then it is someone is blocking the feature being utilized.

More so again since if it was a block that way it would be four companies that have a say maybe even five if you want to count Hal into the mix

DarkBuster22904 posted...

In the case of joint ownership, they absolutely do. There's a reason why Super Mario RPG, Donkey Kong 64, and others have had such sporadic histories I'm terms of availability: despite owning the IP, Nintendo doesn't have full rights to the game, no matter where it has released before.

And because Nintendo does not have full power over pokemon, as you so regularly love to bring up, they lack the authority to just list pokemon games whenever they like. It requires approval from TPC and Gamefreak.

Except they dont because again THEY HAVE THE ROMS. And they are the ones always actively working on them.

And yeah there is a larger difference at play with the examples. Doesnt change the fact that your argument stems from a disingenuous point that somehow Gamefreak has to hand them copies if the ROMs that utilize these features.

Compsognathus posted...

That means someone between GF, TPC, and Nintendo is preventing the process.

its gamefreak and creatures inc who are the problem

despite what baha keeps trying to claim TPC is not a separate entity

its just a conglomeration of 3 companies and those 3 companies decide everything TPC Does

and gamefreak has a huge history of being greedy and very controlling when it comes to the pokemon IP (they threw a tantrum over the 2 gamecube games they where not involved in)

god gen 3 in general was peak greed for TPC the requirements to get every pokemon where expensive as fuck

and we have statements from ex gamefreak employees about how lazy they are

Additionally it'd need to be a joint venture between Nintendo with the NSO infrastructure and Game Freak needing to dedicate resources to Stadium 1/2 and RBY and GSC to ensure total (flawless) integration of the software as well as limiting or removing the save state system that NSO offers so you're not just cloning Pokmon

Baha05 posted...

Except they dont because again THEY HAVE THE ROMS.

"THEY HAVE THE ROMS!"

"The licensing is caught up between three companies, why the fuck would they choose these games otherwise"

"NO BUT THEY HAVE THE ROMS THEY CAN DO IT ANYWAY"

all they really need to do is make the games compatiable with pokemon home ya know that rip off service you need to pay for just to have access to basic pokemon features

AceMos posted...

its gamefreak and creatures inc who are the problem

despite what baha keeps trying to claim TPC is not a separate entity

its just a conglomeration of 3 companies and those 3 companies decide everything TPC Does

and gamefreak has a huge history of being greedy and very controlling when it comes to the pokemon IP (they threw a tantrum over the 2 gamecube games they where not involved in)

god gen 3 in general was peak greed for TPC the requirements to get every pokemon where expensive as fuck

and we have statements from ex gamefreak employees about how lazy they are

Having a part ownership in TPC doesnt negate it from being its own entity since they have their own employees that are separate from all three companies. This is why despite being owned partially by the three they are doing more heavy lifting in more aspects of the IP. You really think for a more limited sort of event they would rent out (maybe even own?) a damn cruise ship that might be used once? I dont think Nintendo would very much like that.

Also where are you even gaging this from?

MrMallard posted...

"THEY HAVE THE ROMS!"

"The licensing is caught up between three companies, why the fuck would they choose these games otherwise"

"NO BUT THEY HAVE THE ROMS THEY CAN DO IT ANYWAY"

And yeah thats how that aorks because again it is implied that these games are incomplete because Gamefreak sent Nintendo incomplete versions. Yet that isnt the case here is it? Also the notion of licensing is more or less the defense made to shit on Gamefreak who again doesnt do the development of the ROMs or any adjustments to it.

Baha05 posted...

Also where are you even gaging this from?

seeing as you bolded my statement about gen 3 greed

you need a GBA a gamecube 2 gamecube games a link cable a device to connect your GBA to your gamecube and at least 3GBA games to collect every pokemon in gen 3

that is pure greed

and its clear to me you have know idea how bussiness works

TPC can not make any decisions on its own it has not power it is just a collection of 3 companies

those 3 companies have absolute say over everything

yes nintendo is likely very annoyed about the massive waste of money owning a cruiseship is

but creatures inc and gamefreak just both vote yes and thats that decision made

why is it so hard for you to grasp that gamefreak is just a shitty company

Baha05 posted...

And yeah thats how that aorks

According to who? You're not the deciding factor of that and you obviously have no knowledge of how things work.

Baha05 posted...

Also the notion of licensing is more or less the defense

No that's just a fact that you can't handle because you think you're gonna explode if you're wrong. You're the one making excuse after excuse and moving goalposts the entire time while acting like it's all facts.

lucariopikmin posted...

No that's just a fact that you can't handle because you think you're gonna explode if you're wrong. You're the one making excuse after excuse and moving goalposts the entire time while acting like it's all facts.

fun fact baha was a adamant defender of the poor state scarlet and violet released in all the bugs and glitches and everything was just fine in his book

AceMos posted...

fun fact baha was a adamant defender of the poor state scarlet and violet released in all the bugs and glitches and everything was just fine in his book

Oh I know and he would defend literal shit if GF made it.
There's a reason why all the regulars on the pokemon/switch boards tell everyone to block him.

AceMos posted...

seeing as you bolded my statement about gen 3 greed

you need a GBA a gamecube 2 gamecube games a link cable a device to connect your GBA to your gamecube and at least 3GBA games to collect every pokemon in gen 3

that is pure greed

and its clear to me you have know idea how bussiness works

TPC can not make any decisions on its own it has not power it is just a collection of 3 companies

those 3 companies have absolute say over everything

yes nintendo is likely very annoyed about the massive waste of money owning a cruiseship is

but creatures inc and gamefreak just both vote yes and thats that decision made

why is it so hard for you to grasp that gamefreak is just a shitty company

Thats really not how greed works though that more or less is how you made the transfer system work.

Because here is the big problem with using that as an example. TPC doesnt get profits of any systems sold there, and unless if was a Pokemon themed system they would only get whatever portions of licensing from those.

And really I could ask you why is it so hard for you to see that clearly TPC as a company is exactly that a company. Yes it was formed from three entities but you realize that if you took your hate of Gamefreak as a company away that clearly TPC operates as its own company because of the years of different stores being opened, merchandise sales, the TGC, any number of the various mobile games, animes and movies, tournaments and random campaigns that happen that they are separate from the three that formed it.

Its legit not a hard thing to grasp and its not hard to see that people have an odd double standard they like to place here.

lucariopikmin posted...

According to who? You're not the deciding factor of that and you obviously have no knowledge of how things work.

No that's just a fact that you can't handle because you think you're gonna explode if you're wrong. You're the one making excuse after excuse and moving goalposts the entire time while acting like it's all facts.

According to common sense and what we know of Nintendo as a company. If I am wrong then someone has to prove it for sure but this works pretty much on both ends. You cant claim that I would explode if Im wrong when the same thing can apply to the criticism being made here.

The joke here is that the issue only affects people silly enough to pay for the online pass expansion.

Baha05 posted...

Thats really not how greed works though that more or less is how you made the transfer system work.

they could have just put all the pokemon into ruby and saphire not requiring extra transfers from other games

Baha05 posted...

Because here is the big problem with using that as an example. TPC doesnt get profits of any systems sold there, and unless if was a Pokemon themed system they would only get whatever portions of licensing from those.

they do get money from GAME SALES

plus this one nintendo IS involved in they absolutely where involved with wanting to make more hardware sales off the anti consumerism with gen 3

see i can call out nintendo for things they clearly are to blame for

but having pokemon games release in a buggy state that hurts nintendo as they have a reputation of high quality even a bad game still on a technically level they make tends to be solid (there are exceptios naturally)

not having pokemon on the NSO gameboy that hurts them as less subscriptions for NSO

Baha05 posted...

According to common sense

That's weird, all the common sense disagrees with you.

Baha05 posted...

If I am wrong then someone has to prove it for sure

Yeah no, that's not how it works. You will prove yourself right first and you will not make any excuses for this whatsoever because you clearly care about that.

Baha05 posted...

You cant claim that I would explode if Im wrong

I very easily can which is why I did it, but thanks for showing that you can think you can dictate what I'm allowed to say.

Look let me explain what I think darkbuster was trying to say.

Let's use a third-party example: the NES game Crystalis on NSO, developed by SNK.

Before they released that game on NSO, Nintendo had to get in contact with SNK. They make contact, make small talk, talk about collaboration. Maybe the whole thing with Terry Bogard in Smash Ultimate comes up, I dunno. But somewhere in that conversation, Nintendo offers SNK a licensing agreement where for a sum of money, they can use Crystalis in their Nintendo Switch Online service indefinitely. They reach a deal, SNK agrees to let them put Crystalis on NSO, Nintendo makes it happen.

The same goes for Breath of Fire or Fighter's Generation: Nintendo establishes contact with Capcom, they agree to collaborate, Nintendo asks if they can have those titles for their SNES NSO app. Capcom asks for money, Nintendo pays up, they give permission for Nintendo to use those ROMs in that service.

Now - Nintendo have a partial stake in the Pokemon franchise. But they don't own the whole thing. In order to get Pokemon games onto the Switch, they need the other rights-holders to agree to put them on the Switch.

The other rights-holders disagree. They offer a couple of side-games in line with their existing plans.

Nintendo might have access to the ROMs of those games, but they don't have permission to use them. Making them available without permission opens Nintendo up to a big fuck-off lawsuit.

That's what we're saying when we say "it's not that easy". Nintendo don't own a majority stake in the Pokemon franchise, they share ownership equally alongside two other entities.

If those two entities don't want to do anything with older Pokemon games, Nintendo can't do jack shit. They need permission from the other rights-holders, and they clearly haven't gotten permission from the other rights-holders. Yeah, some rogue developer can just do it anyway, but it would be illegal and heads would fucking roll. The only way this happens is of the other rights-holders agree to release the fucking games.

Let's say I have a video of Budd Dwyer's suicide. Just because I have the video, it doesn't mean I can just upload it to fucking YouTube. Physically, sure - I have the ability to upload a video of a man shooting himself in the mouth. But there's a whole mess that would create that would cause a lot of trouble for everyone, legally and personally and all sorts of ways. "Yeah but you have the video!!" - but imagine the issues it would cause if I just uploaded it somewhere for my own edification. It's a stupid fucking idea.

AceMos posted...

they could have just put all the pokemon into ruby and saphire not requiring extra transfers from other games

they do get money from GAME SALES

plus this one nintendo IS involved in they absolutely where involved with wanting to make more hardware sales off the anti consumerism with gen 3

see i can call out nintendo for things they clearly are to blame for

but having pokemon games release in a buggy state that hurts nintendo as they have a reputation of high quality even a bad game still on a technically level they make tends to be solid (there are exceptios naturally)

not having pokemon on the NSO gameboy that hurts them as less subscriptions for NSO

They really could but thats aside the point (outside also the need to still have exclusives) You cant claim they are being greedy for the extra systems and devices needed for transfers when it was literally the tech of the time. Maybe youd have a better argument if they did that shot today when the technology became wireless and the internet exists in a more heavy manner in gaming sure.

And bo it hurts Gamefreak more for the buggy games but of course people are going to constantly ignore the notion of Developers and Publishers on that front

Baha05 posted...

They really could but thats aside the point (outside also the need to still have exclusives) You cant claim they are being greedy for the extra systems and devices needed for transfers when it was literally the tech of the time. Maybe youd have a better argument if they did that shot today when the technology became wireless and the internet exists in a more heavy manner in gaming sure.

And bo it hurts Gamefreak more for the buggy games but of course people are going to constantly ignore the notion of Developers and Publishers on that front

i can call them greedy cus again they could have just put hte pokemon into the games there was no reason to require all the extra steps to get the pokemon beyond greed of selling all the extra games and hardware

and again ppl who WORKED for gamefreak have stated how the company operates its very much a company who is lazy and just says not to put effort in as it will sell anyways

and we the consumer have seen this with their self published games which are of the same low quality as pokemon

and they have ALWAYS been this way gen 1 is a buggy mess of code that by all rights should not wokr at all and they had zero rush on this as it was a thing no one had faith in

gen 2 only came out at all because iwata personally fixed the games as gamefreak could not get the code to work at all

1 man did what a entire company could not