Current Events > Pokemon direct tomorrow

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Not watching.

They always manage to make them insanely bloated and boring. Always the same montages and slow paced overviews of new F2P game content. They also always do the big games on the same day so any non pokemon day direct is handicapped.

About as much time as a full direct with a dozen times less new announcements.

If I see a headline for something new and interesting I will watch the trailer for that.

Pokemon hasn't been good in years, and ain't gonna be good tomorrow

Hopefully something good for Pokemon Master Sex. I still have fun playing it >_>

Hey You Pikachu remake lesssgoooooo

Lets go Johto please.

Hope we see more of the DLC for SV... And not just the Mew vs. Mewtwo raid that was leaked and the teaser may have hinted at with the flickering M...

I'd like to see the older games come to VC but I'm not holding out hope for those... Just like I'm not going to hope for a remake or new game announcement...

I'm guessing just stuff for the mobile games, talking about Pokemon Sleep more since it came out recently, and then an event for SV... I'd like to be proven wrong though...

10 minutes talking about the upcoming dlc, the other 20 on mobile games nobody cares about

Pokemon direct to the polls

Akagami_Shanks posted...

10 minutes talking about the upcoming dlc, the other 20 on mobile games nobody cares about

This. And that's if we're lucky.

20 minutes Pokemon sleep

Detective Pikachu 2
Scarlet/Violet DLC
Masters Ex content
Sleep (maybe?)

The same level of gamers bitching because it doesnt show something they are interested in. Same goes for Nintendo Directs and Sony Plays

I'll catch the tldr later in the day. I'd put money on gamefreak sucking and letting everyone down yet again.

xlr_big-coop posted...

I'll catch the tldr later in the day. I'd put money on gamefreak sucking and letting everyone down yet again.

See what I mean about gamers bitching?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/8/AAKYEFAAEtBS.jpg

Baha05 posted...

The same level of gamers bitching because it doesnt show something they are interested in. Same goes for Nintendo Directs and Sony Plays

i mean i think very few ppl who watch these care much about the movile games

now im not saying the mobile games are not popular they are very much so

just not much of the player base follows this kind of thing

Baha05 posted...

See what I mean about gamers bitching?

I didn't dislike Pokemon Sw/Sh or Scarlet/Violet but you can't deny that Game Freak put absolutely no effort into them on a technical level. There's no excuse whatsoever for S/V to look like PSP games upscaled to 1080p.

Explorers of Sky DX or bust.

So, almost guaranteed bust.

Might be salvageable if they announce battle facilities will be included in the SV dlc

CRON posted...

I didn't dislike Pokemon Sw/Sh or Scarlet/Violet but you can't deny that Game Freak put absolutely no effort into them on a technical level. There's no excuse whatsoever for S/V to look like PSP games upscaled to 1080p.

Yeah but one part is

A. Trying to make the entire Pokemon Present being entirely done by Gamefreak. People like making the arguments that Pokemon is a multimedia franchise but with these Presents the same complaints imply that Pokemon is just the main games and none of the mobile titles or spin offs matter.

B. As said time and time again Gamefreak is not a publisher in their own games so they get more pressure here which means they cant set deadlines. Give them time and they could probably see some improvement in their skills but keep rushing them and their ambition of making bigger games will be hampered. I dont see how we have gamers that will ignore this outside trolling for shits and giggles.

CRON posted...

I didn't dislike Pokemon Sw/Sh or Scarlet/Violet but you can't deny that Game Freak put absolutely no effort into them on a technical level. There's no excuse whatsoever for S/V to look like PSP games upscaled to 1080p.

The reason the games look the way they do is because of the anime and card game schedule. Essentially every video game is a rush job to keep pace with the other stuff.

Please for the love of god put Pokemon on NSO

Tyranthraxus posted...

The reason the games look the way they do is because of the anime and card game schedule. Essentially every video game is a rush job to keep pace with the other stuff.

On top ofnthat people really need to get their eyes checked if PSP is the go to.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The reason the games look the way they do is because of the anime and card game schedule. Essentially every video game is a rush job to keep pace with the other stuff.

So they should use their ridiculous amount of cash to hire more (and better) staff, or Nintendo should hand the video game rights over to a different developer. There are indie games that look more impressive than Scarlet and Violet. It's not even like they put effort into QA either.

Baha05 posted...

B. As said time and time again Gamefreak is not a publisher in their own games so they get more pressure here which means they cant set deadlines. Give them time and they could probably see some improvement in their skills but keep rushing them and their ambition of making bigger games will be hampered. I dont see how we have gamers that will ignore this outside trolling for shits and giggles.

then why do their self published games have the same issues

Baha05 posted...

Give them time and they could probably see some improvement in their skills

They've been making the series for 20+ years and they've made their own shit games that they've had time for. Want to try for another excuse that actually works?

CRON posted...

So they should use their ridiculous amount of cash to hire more (and better) staff, or Nintendo should hand the video game rights over to a different developer. There are indie games that look more impressive than Scarlet and Violet. It's not even like they put effort into QA either.

I mean for starters hiring more people can be a double edge sword and more people working on a project in a short time doesnt even mean a game will be better. Because short deadlines are short still.

Second Nintendo doesnt own full rights to the IP and to strip Pokemon from Gamefreak you really do the creators a disservice. Plus the fact is that just because better developers exist doenst mean they can make a better Pokemon game because developers have different ideas in mind.

And using indie developers as a base doesnt really help your argument because that can apply to other better looking games as well then Pokemon.

AceMos posted...

then why do their self published games have the same issues

Because they are still a smaller company with x number of employees? Plus define the same issues and point out which sother games they are making at the same time because they really dont make a lot of games on the side.

lucariopikmin posted...

They've been making the series for 20+ years and they've made their own shit games that they've had time for. Want to try for another excuse that actually works?

Did you read my point or did you feel the need to vomit out a random post? What Im saying is because they are not given the time (nor probably the budget) for these games you wont see a lot of improvement. Because 20+ Years of Pokemon doesnt magically translate into having 20+ years of experience in all different gameplay manner. For most of that 20+ years with the franchise the bulk of these games in design have been 2D Turn based RPGs on handheld systems with limitations. For the style of games they are doing now they havent gad that long of a timeframe with 3D style games thats brand new to them and to go from a 2D style RPG to a 3D Open world game in a short time frame without previous work and a small development window would give any developer troubles.

CRON posted...

So they should use their ridiculous amount of cash to hire more (and better) staff, or Nintendo should hand the video game rights over to a different developer. There are indie games that look more impressive than Scarlet and Violet. It's not even like they put effort into QA either.

They could move to a model like call of duty where you've got different teams working on different games already planned to release in yearly increments but there's probably some reasons they don't.

1. Devil you know vs devil you don't. No guarantee another dev will be able to put out the same level of even mediocre quality (e.g. BDSP were a downgrade from ORAS)
2. This would require also planning the anime & card game many years ahead of what their current R&D looks like

Baha05 posted...

Because they are still a smaller company

by choice they own 1/3 of the largest IP in human history they have tons of money in the bank they could expand hire staff and get new equipment

the pokemon company demanding such fast releases well again they own 1/3 they have a vote in that

and considering nintendos stance on delaying games i doubt they are pushing for rushed games

AceMos posted...

by choice they own 1/3 of the largest IP in human history they have tons of money in the bank they could expand hire staff and get new equipment

the pokemon company demanding such fast releases well again they own 1/3 they have a vote in that

and considering nintendos stance on delaying games i doubt they are pushing for rushed games

You do understand that expansion is not as simple as hire more people right and you do understand that throwing more people doesnt truly change things right?

I mean if you threw a bunch of construction workers to build idk a 30-60 story building in the span of two years would you think such a building would be good?

Because the same rules apply here. Also there might be some levelmof bias from Nintendo as while they own a part of the series Pokemon isnt really their brand so they might not give it the same amount of love in terms if delay.

Plus you still have the Pokemon Company as a secondary publisher which that should be obvious why we dont see delays.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Pokemon direct to the polls

Pokemon sleep through this boring ass direct

Baha05 posted...

Plus you still have the Pokemon Company as a secondary publisher which that should be obvious why we dont see delays.

the pokemon company is made up of nintendo creatures inc and gamefreak

i think its safe to assume creatures inc and gamefreak are the ones pushing for fast releases

Baha05 posted...

What Im saying is because they are not given the time (nor probably the budget)

They've gotten more than enough time to get experience and moving goalposts immediately is pretty sad.
Baha05 posted...

Because 20+ Years of Pokemon doesnt magically translate into having 20+ years of experience in all different gameplay manner.

Excuses and you're just saying they are shit developers with this, congrats.
Baha05 posted...

with 3D style games thats brand new to them and to go from a 2D style RPG to a 3D Open world game in a short time frame without previous work and a small development window would give any developer troubles.

Damn, didn't know let's go and SS don't exist anymore, and yes those are previous works that do count no matter how much it hurts you.

Baha05 posted...

did you feel the need to vomit out a random post?

Baha05 posted...

The same level of gamers bitching because it doesnt show something they are interested in. Same goes for Nintendo Directs and Sony Plays

A lot of irony there but of course you're gonna make a childish excuse because you never care about what you say.

AceMos posted...

the pokemon company is made up of nintendo creatures inc and gamefreak

i think its safe to assume creatures inc and gamefreak are the ones pushing for fast releases

And? They are partially made up of those three and still act independently from the three owners.

Plus again Nintendo and TPC publish the main games. They set the budgets and time frame. Not the developers.

lucariopikmin posted...

They've gotten more than enough time to get experience and moving goalposts immediately is pretty sad.

Excuses and you're just saying they are shit developers with this, congrats.

Damn, didn't know let's go and SS don't exist anymore, and yes those are previous works that do count no matter how much it hurts you.

A lot of irony there but of course you're gonna make a childish excuse because you never care about what you say.

The irony of claiming childish excuse yet coming off childishly condescending is pretty telling if you.

Baha05 posted...

And? They are partially made up of those three and still act independently from the three owners.

Plus again Nintendo and TPC publish the main games. They set the budgets and time frame. Not the developers.

i dont think you know how this works

the pokemon company is not some entity that can just boss gamefreak around

they are 1/3 the owner of the pokemon company

again modern pokemon quality is inline with the rest of the output from gamefreak

@Baha05

Don't argue with them. Mark their posts. They just want you to argue with them so they can mass report your posts and hope something sticks.

AceMos posted...

i dont think you know how this works

the pokemon company is not some entity that can just boss gamefreak around

they are 1/3 the owner of the pokemon company

again modern pokemon quality is inline with the rest of the output from gamefreak

They technically are and arent because again they are an entity co created by the three but also acts very independently from the three in terms of what they do as a company. The fact that again they are a PUBLISHER should be key here. You know how when certain publishers are attached to games and people dont directly blame the developers? Same thing should apply to Pokemon as common sense is all you need to see that the Publishers involved are Nintendo and TPC.

DementedDurian posted...

Don't argue with them. Mark their posts. They just want you to argue with them so they can mass report your posts and hope something sticks.

mark our posts for what?

i thought we where all having a civil conversation

DementedDurian posted...

@Baha05

Don't argue with them. Mark their posts. They just want you to argue with them so they can mass report your posts and hope something sticks.

True enough though sadly for them it works both ways.

Baha05 posted...

They technically are and arent because again they are an entity co created by the three but also acts very independently from the three in terms of what they do as a company. The fact that again they are a PUBLISHER should be key here. You know how when certain publishers are attached to games and people dont directly blame the developers? Same thing should apply to Pokemon as common sense is all you need to see that the Publishers involved are Nintendo and TPC.

if 2 companies involved in TPC got together they can force the company to do wtv they want

if 2 companies said "we are delaying the game" it would get delayed

Gamefreaks jobtalk page (Japanese equivalent of Glassdoor) is filled to the brim with negative reviews from current and former employees (and before the obvious rebuttal, the site has an extensive vetting/verification process to confirm these are actual employees). Common complaints are the lack of desire for innovation, and a pervasive attitude of it will sell well regardless from management. the company has a less than 3 star average. And while sites like these are lightning rods for disgruntled/biased employees, it is worth noting that gamefreaks average score clocks in below almost every one of their competitors. Nintendo, capcom, hell, they score a half point lower than Konami, and thats pathetic.

And this is for Gamefreak. not The Pokmon Company.

Youre welcome to check it out if you want. fair warning, like most of these things in Japan, it requires a subscription to access. Plus youll need to translate the reviews.

Baha05 posted...

The irony of claiming childish excuse yet coming off childishly condescending is pretty telling if you.

Baha05 posted...

The same level of gamers bitching because it doesnt show something they are interested in. Same goes for Nintendo Directs and Sony Plays

Baha05 posted...

did you feel the need to vomit out a random post?

You have to look up what irony means because you clearly do not understand the meaning of it. And thanks for proving me correct considering you did exactly what I said you would do.

AceMos posted...

mark our posts for what?

i thought we where all having a civil conversation

Also to add while I disagree with you here we are having a conversation that works. Unlike Lucario there.

DementedDurian posted...

@Baha05

Don't argue with them. Mark their posts. They just want you to argue with them so they can mass report your posts and hope something sticks.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/0/AAVkBcAAERYu.jpg

Pokemon is serious business apparently

AceMos posted...

if 2 companies involved in TPC got together they can force the company to do wtv they want

if 2 companies said "we are delaying the game" it would get delayed

Right but again the big problem here is the nature of the brand and the nature of the two companies involved with one probably having more of a want for the games to come out faster.

Since merchandise is involved that sort of screws with the need to delay games.

Gwynevere posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/0/AAVkBcAAERYu.jpg

Pokemon is serious business apparently

Funny enough it is considering all the moving parts needed to be a multibillion dollar IP.

Baha05 posted...

Also to add while I disagree with you here we are having a conversation that works. Unlike Lucario there.

It's you who decided to be uncivil, not me so no reason to lie. Let me remind you of that fact:
Baha05 posted...

did you feel the need to vomit out a random post?

You also then decided to not argue the actual points anymore to be even more uncivil because you don't have an actual point. But as usual it's no surprise that you're complaining about something you're fine doing yourself to begin with.