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AceMos
08/07/23 1:48:35 PM
#51:


Baha05 posted...
Right but again the big problem here is the nature of the brand and the nature of the two companies involved with one probably having more of a want for the games to come out faster.

Since merchandise is involved that sort of screws with the need to delay games.
so you admit gamefreak are responsbile for the lack of time on the games

because if they wanted more time they could use their voting power to get it

and again we know nintendos stance on delaying games its a core part of their business

and again it lines up with their own self published games low quality

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ProfessorKukui
08/07/23 1:54:17 PM
#52:


topic got baha'd

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Baha05
08/07/23 1:57:31 PM
#53:


AceMos posted...
so you admit gamefreak are responsbile for the lack of time on the games

because if they wanted more time they could use their voting power to get it

and again we know nintendos stance on delaying games its a core part of their business

and again it lines up with their own self published games low quality
No because again they arent publishing the games.

Also do realize if you have three or four companies involved with voting powers all it takes it the other three to vote no for more time. Even if you cut it down to three two out of the three can vote no. So there are holes in your logic there.

Also the fact that Nintendo does its own weird things should be telling they arent the people to really take their own words seriously enough.

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AceMos
08/07/23 2:01:54 PM
#54:


there are 3 companies who own TPC

nintendo game freak and creatures inc

we know nintendo would vote yes to delaying a game

so that means the 2 nos are gamefreak and creatures inc

and it fits gamefreaks entire company history

they have been putting out rushed products since the beginning

gen 1 is a mess of a game

ther erecent my town hero is the most meh game ever that gamefreak its self did not bother to even market or promote


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Gwynevere
08/07/23 2:05:30 PM
#55:


ProfessorKukui posted...
topic got baha'd
He might have been the one running defense awhile back for Pokemon Stadium on NSO not including interactivity with the Gameboy games, despite that being an incredibly simple thing for them to do. Makes me wonder why companies even bother with marketing teams at this point lol

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Baha05
08/07/23 2:06:35 PM
#56:


AceMos posted...
there are 3 companies who own TPC

nintendo game freak and creatures inc

we know nintendo would vote yes to delaying a game

so that means the 2 nos are gamefreak and creatures inc

and it fits gamefreaks entire company history

they have been putting out rushed products since the beginning

gen 1 is a mess of a game

ther erecent my town hero is the most meh game ever that gamefreak its self did not bother to even market or promote
Three companies that were part of the formation but again TPC is its own company that does its own things on the side without manor meddling from its three founders.

And do you know if Nintendo would hardcore vote yes to delay or are you under the assumption of their own saying from one employee?

And using Gen 1 is disingenuous at best since it was literally the first game in the series from a company that didnt male a lot of games prior let alone a lot of games in that style, back on the original Gameboy. And given even how modern gaming lot of smaller companies put out hit or miss games this shouldnt even be a point to argue unless you want to push bad narratives.

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Baha05
08/07/23 2:09:46 PM
#57:


Gwynevere posted...
He might have been the one running defense awhile back for Pokemon Stadium on NSO not including interactivity with the Gameboy games, despite that being an incredibly simple thing for them to do. Makes me wonder why companies even bother with marketing teams at this point lol
The problem with that more comes from people blaming Gamefreak for that though which just pushes that really bad narrative again since it would be on Nintendo for that.

Not to mention you kinda need the Pokemon Games on NSO to have that compatibility for Stadium since the other means might be more complicated or restrictive (One being borrowing from Home which might be complicated and the other inserting the game data into Stadium itself which might not work if they do plan on bringing the games to NSO)

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Compsognathus
08/07/23 2:19:41 PM
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Regardless of ownership percentages and all that the underlying issue is that there is no financial incentive for any of the involved parties to change the release schedule. The games might be rushed, unfinished messes but they are profitable rushed, unfinished messes.

Game Freak in particular would be very hesitant to slow the schedule down since I have to imagine 99% of their income is directly related to Pokmon games. Expanding the release schedule is going to be a major hit to their financials.

Nintendo likes the reasonably hands off easy money the franchise generates. And they like that Game Freak gets the heat when the games quality get attacked.

If you want Pokmon games to change they need to start to actually underperform. People need to demonstrate that rushing shit out won't be rewarded.

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Baha05
08/07/23 2:22:13 PM
#59:


Compsognathus posted...
Regardless of ownership percentages and all that the underlying issue is that there is no financial incentive for any of the involved parties to change the release schedule. The games might be rushed, unfinished messes but they are profitable rushed, unfinished messes.

Game Freak in particular would be very hesitant to slow the schedule down since I have to imagine 99% of their income is directly related to Pokmon games. Expanding the release schedule is going to be a major hit to their financials.

Nintendo likes the reasonably hands off easy money the franchise generates. And they like that Game Freak gets the heat when the games quality get attacked.

If you want Pokmon games to change they need to start to actually underperform. People need to demonstrate that rushing shit out won't be rewarded.
Which is true but at the same time has been something the industry struggles with unless a game was so badly made.

Though in most cases I bet TPC has the bigger incentive here to not change things because they probably are putting in the most operational costs for the franchise. Nintendo has their own profits which means Gamefreak and Creatures would be the only others impacted by any changes and even them the revenue from the IP somewhat goes back to them.

It really makes you think how is tis split up four ways in terms of profits.

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ProfessorKukui
08/07/23 2:38:26 PM
#60:


Gwynevere posted...
He might have been the one running defense awhile back for Pokemon Stadium on NSO not including interactivity with the Gameboy games, despite that being an incredibly simple thing for them to do. Makes me wonder why companies even bother with marketing teams at this point lol
He's been doing it for a long, long time. Its dedication.

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TomClark
08/07/23 2:39:33 PM
#61:


Give us a fucking Pokmon Ranger game, you cowards!

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Baha05
08/07/23 2:40:22 PM
#62:


ProfessorKukui posted...
He's been doing it for a long, long time. Its dedication.
If discussing anything related to video games and making a counter argument for things is dedication so be it. Nothing wrong with that just as there is nothing wrong with praise or criticism.

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DarkBuster22904
08/07/23 2:45:01 PM
#63:


Baha05 posted...
The problem with that more comes from people blaming Gamefreak for that though which just pushes that really bad narrative again since it would be on Nintendo for that.

Not to mention you kinda need the Pokemon Games on NSO to have that compatibility for Stadium since the other means might be more complicated or restrictive (One being borrowing from Home which might be complicated and the other inserting the game data into Stadium itself which might not work if they do plan on bringing the games to NSO)
So then its on gamefreak for deciding to not spend ten minutes emailing the rom data to Nintendo. Data that already existed and bridged into other software like Home, on 3ds.

or equally their fault for deciding to not update either stadium to recognize either the games or a Home box as a gbc cart, a feat that emulators accomplished long ago.

At what point does gamefreak shoulder any responsibility for cutting corners with their own products?

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AllHeDoesIsWin
08/07/23 2:48:16 PM
#64:


Prediction

Pokemon World Championship mention
Update on that Trading Card Game classic thing
Pokemon Go/Unite/Sleep/Cafe/MasterSex updates
Detective Pikachu 2 news
Scarlet/Violet DLC news

lmao no Gameboy NSO and no Mystery Dungeon Explorers DX
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SF_Okami
08/07/23 2:48:29 PM
#65:


I just waant Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

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Baha05
08/07/23 2:50:38 PM
#66:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
So then it on gamefreak for deciding to not spend ten minutes emailing the rom data to Nintendo. Data that already existed and bridged into other software like Home, on 3rd.

or equally their fault for deciding to not update either stadium to recognize either the games or a Home box as a gbc cart, a feat that emulators accomplished long ago.

At what point does gamefreak shoulder any responsibility for cutting corners with their own products?
No because if anything Nintendo should already have said ROM data in the first place.

And in reality no developer ever works on VC ports of any of their games. If that was the case you could probably blame a lot of games that lack features on people not even involved.

Which goes to show there is a more inherent bias when it comes the the franchise as a whole and blaming Gamefreak for things not even in their control. Like you bring up Home as an example but Gamefreak doesnt even work on that that is done by Ilca it would be more on them and even then its probably not worth it or easy to make modern Pokemon go backwards to split their stats or combine them back to their Gen 1-2 days.

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DarkBuster22904
08/07/23 3:01:34 PM
#67:


So in summation:

Gamefreak is not responsible for their rushed games because TPC is unreasonable with their schedule.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fighting to slow down the schedule because it apparently wouldnt work because reasons.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fixing their understaffing problem because it apparently wouldnt help because the deadlines are still tight.

They arent responsible for the rights to the VC games despite owning the rights to the VC games.

They arent responsible for a basic rom of gen 1 or 2 , which is all the NSO games are, because despite owning those games its 100% Nintendos decision, he said with no proof.

They arent responsible for Home because of Ilca, a company they work closely with and issue all Pokemon-related marching orders to.

The poor quality of their non-rushed, non-Pokemon games like Little Town Hero has no bearing on the equally-poor quality of their Pokmon games, because, well, you didnt answer this one,

And apparently Gamefreak management having a prevailing attitude of it will sell well regardless and not caring when employees push for better, according to testimonials of their actual staff, is also irrelevant, because I notice you didnt address that, either.

So again I ask, at what point does Gamefreak take any responsibility for their own products?


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DementedDurian
08/07/23 3:06:01 PM
#68:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
So in summation:

Gamefreak is not responsible for their rushed games because TPC is unreasonable with their schedule.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fighting to slow down the schedule because it apparently wouldnt work because reasons.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fixing their understaffing problem because it apparently wouldnt help because the deadlines are still tight.

They arent responsible for the rights to the VC games despite owning the rights to the VC games.

They arent responsible for a basic rom of gen 1 or 2 , which is all the NSO games are, because despite owning those games its 100% Nintendos decision, and Nintendo apparently had no interest in making the best selling gbc or gba games ever made available on their gbc or gba emulators, he said with no proof.

They arent responsible for Home because of Ilca, a company they work closely with and issue all Pokemon-related marching orders to.

The poor quality of their non-rushed, non-Pokemon games like Little Town Hero has no bearing on the equally-poor quality of their Pokmon games, because, well, you didnt answer this one,

And apparently Gamefreak management having a prevailing attitude of it will sell well regardless and not caring when employees push for better, according to testimonials of their actual staff, is also irrelevant, because I notice you didnt address that, either.

So again I ask, at what point does Gamefreak take any responsibility for their own products?

Tch. Found the mole.

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Baha05
08/07/23 3:13:36 PM
#70:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
So in summation:

Gamefreak is not responsible for their rushed games because TPC is unreasonable with their schedule.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fighting to slow down the schedule because it apparently wouldnt work because reasons.

Gamefreak is not responsible for fixing their understaffing problem because it apparently wouldnt help because the deadlines are still tight.

They arent responsible for the rights to the VC games despite owning the rights to the VC games.

They arent responsible for a basic rom of gen 1 or 2 , which is all the NSO games are, because despite owning those games its 100% Nintendos decision, and Nintendo apparently had no interest in making the best selling gbc or gba games ever made available on their gbc or gba emulators, he said with no proof.

They arent responsible for Home because of Ilca, a company they work closely with and issue all Pokemon-related marching orders to.

The poor quality of their non-rushed, non-Pokemon games like Little Town Hero has no bearing on the equally-poor quality of their Pokmon games, because, well, you didnt answer this one,

And apparently Gamefreak management having a prevailing attitude of it will sell well regardless and not caring when employees push for better, according to testimonials of their actual staff, is also irrelevant, because I notice you didnt address that, either.

So again I ask, at what point does Gamefreak take any responsibility for their own products?
  1. They have partial issues but yeah because they are not a publisher the time frame is not set by them.
  2. They are responsible for that for sure but if multiple parties are involved and gave a say in the matter if they can get outvoted by other companies then you can see the problem can you not?
  3. Yes and no, this is an area they can work on but again hiring more people is t as easy as it seems you need to vet people to have the skills needed and on top of that more people requires more building space so expansion isnt a cut and dry method. Not to mention having more people on a project doesnt change the fact that if time constraints are an issue they will continue to do more harm if they are being rushed.
  4. Again they own partial rights to the games even their old ROMs and again the notion of ROMs more falls on Nintendo anyhow as they are the ones working on them.
  5. And again Nintendo is the ones in charge of NSO. If they are going to out them up they will put them up. Its not fully on Gamefreak here to supply ROMs of games that Nintendo already has the damn ROMs of.
  6. Yes that is how development works, thats line arguing that any issues Pokemon Go has is all on Gamefreak and not on Niantic who literally works on the mobile game.
  7. Little Town Hero can be chalked up to limited staff working on it and the fact that developers dont always make good games. And Gamefreak as a company rarely ever makes other games.
  8. Management is also not the entire company and believe ir or not ex employees can make things up online, its a thing that can happen.
In the grand scheme of things Gamefreak isnt without its faults but its amazing what sort of range people will go to blame them when the reality is that this franchise has WAY too many hands involved and WAY too many damn moving parts that you can spread the blame in any number of ways. But people CHOOSE the easiest target even when said target isnt even involved in all aspects of the IP outside designing new Pokemon

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DKBananaSlamma
08/07/23 3:14:34 PM
#71:


Man, I just wanted to talk about how fun pokeymans are, not workplace politics >_>

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Baha05
08/07/23 3:17:42 PM
#72:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Man, I just wanted to talk about how fun pokeymans are, not workplace politics >_>
Kinda would happen though since these topics tend to just repeat the same line of It will be nothing but mobile games and DLC

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DKBananaSlamma
08/07/23 3:22:47 PM
#73:


Baha05 posted...
Kinda would happen though since these topics tend to just repeat the same line of It will be nothing but mobile games and DLC
The topic properly got CE'd

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Baha05
08/07/23 3:23:36 PM
#74:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
The topic properly got CE'd
Does that make me one of yall? Or the other way around?

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Tyranthraxus
08/07/23 3:30:33 PM
#75:


Baha05 posted...
Does that make me one of yall? Or the other way around?

Welcome to Hotel CElifornia.

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SomeLikeItHoth
08/08/23 1:46:43 AM
#76:


Gen 1 and 2 on Switch lets go!!

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DarkChozoGhost
08/08/23 1:49:36 AM
#77:


Baha05 posted...
disingenuous at best


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Baha05
08/08/23 1:53:03 AM
#78:


Not sure what you are implying there by cutting out the majority of the post but

SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Gen 1 and 2 on Switch lets go!!

Has there been any leaks?

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Zikten
08/08/23 1:53:25 AM
#79:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Gen 1 and 2 on Switch lets go!!
They should have gen 3 too
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LightningAce11
08/08/23 1:54:10 AM
#80:


Baha why do you always get into arguments when it comes to gamefreak and pokemon? You seem to do this in every topic I see you in about games.

What is the point?

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Baha05
08/08/23 1:56:15 AM
#81:


LightningAce11 posted...
Baha why do you always get into arguments when it comes to gamefreak and pokemon? You seem to do this in every topic I see you in about games.

What is the point?
Because Incan disagree and point out flaws of peoples complaints? I just think people doing what they do with Gamefreak are just overly kinda hypocritical.

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SomeLikeItHoth
08/08/23 3:18:40 AM
#82:


Baha05 posted...
Has there been any leaks?
Only Mew and Mewtwo raids for Scarlet/Violet.

Zikten posted...
They should have gen 3 too
Seems kind of overkill. Although I wouldn't mind it.

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Baha05
08/08/23 3:19:44 AM
#83:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Only Mew and Mewtwo raids for Scarlet/Violet.

Seems kind of overkill. Although I wouldn't mind it.
Wouldnt be over kill but I can see it being released at the slower pace.

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DeadBankerDream
08/08/23 3:23:48 AM
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When will this happen? Anyone got a time? One that including a "time from now" response because I can't read US times and convert them. My brain refuses.

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ViewtifulJoe
08/08/23 3:24:21 AM
#85:


What are the odds this will be entertainingly anti-hype?
I kinda love stuff like that.

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SomeLikeItHoth
08/08/23 3:26:19 AM
#86:


DeadBankerDream posted...
When will this happen? Anyone got a time? One that including a "time from now" response because I can't read US times and convert them. My brain refuses.
5 and a half hours from now.

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Baha05
08/08/23 3:27:14 AM
#87:


ViewtifulJoe posted...
What are the odds this will be entertainingly anti-hype?
I kinda love stuff like that.
The present or topics?

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ViewtifulJoe
08/08/23 3:40:06 AM
#88:


Baha05 posted...
The present or topics?
The video.
If they make a bunch of games that's neat, but if it's the presentation equivalent of a garbage bag bursting open while you're carrying it, that's good too.

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Baha05
08/08/23 3:41:05 AM
#89:


ViewtifulJoe posted...
The video.
If they make a bunch of games that's neat, but if it's the presentation equivalent of a garbage bag bursting open while you're carrying it, that's good too.
It will be seen as both to a lot of people be it good or stuff they dont want which is always been a problem with Directs, Presents, Play, or even E3

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tremain07
08/08/23 4:32:13 AM
#90:


Is it too early to start with the expectations vs hopes thing?

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08/08/23 7:01:15 AM
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tremain07
08/08/23 7:39:16 AM
#91:


It's time

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AceMos
08/08/23 7:54:44 AM
#92:


tremain07 posted...
It's time
link link

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tremain07
08/08/23 7:55:09 AM
#93:


Sorry at work it's up to you ace

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AceMos
08/08/23 7:55:56 AM
#94:


i cant find the direct

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AceMos
08/08/23 7:56:31 AM
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its still an hour away thats why i cant find it

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tremain07
08/08/23 8:00:17 AM
#96:


Oh darn it I'll be back at lunch

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M-Watcher
08/08/23 8:06:29 AM
#97:


Predictions:
Mobile updates
Mobile updates
Mobile updates
Mobile upda- you get the point
Talking about some real life thing like the ongoing championship
Detective Pikachu Returns info
A Scarlet and Violet event coming soon
Scarlet and Violet DLC info + Teal Mask release date
And maybe some announcement for a non-mobile spinoff game like Mystery Dungeon

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_____Cait
08/08/23 8:24:06 AM
#98:


Predictions:

Talk about Pokemon Sleep
DLC info
SV raid stuff that nobody cares about
mobile game

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Scarecrow17
08/08/23 8:25:20 AM
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Mystery Dungeon please

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