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WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:18:56 PM #1:	https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4134891-a-monumental-ufo-scandal-is-looming/ The decades-long saga of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is barreling headlong toward one of two stunning conclusions. Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign. Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos. For these reasons, it is imperative that Congress and federal law enforcement agencies devote significant resources to investigating a series of remarkable UFO-related developments. Importantly, a third explanation for recent events that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact appears increasingly unlikely. In June, U.S. Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government have secretly and illegally overseen a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort. Two defense officials corroborated the broad contours of Gruschs stunning claims. Grusch has stated that he provided a wealth of highly classified evidence to the powerful internal investigative agencies overseeing the Department of Defense and the U.S intelligence community, but he has not presented any such evidence publicly. However, the officials and lawmakers who have reviewed Gruschs classified evidence are taking his extraordinary allegations seriously. The inspector general of the intelligence community deemed Gruschs allegations that UFO-related information was inappropriately concealed from Congress credible and urgent. Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) confirmed the inspector generals finding. I. Charles McCullough, III, the intelligence communitys first inspector general and now an attorney in private practice, represents Grusch and sat directly behind him during a July 26 congressional hearing. It is extremely unlikely that such a high-profile lawyer and former top federal official would represent anyone making the kinds of extraordinary claims that Grusch is without robust evidence. When asked during the July 26 congressional hearing whether he believes that the U.S. government possesses UFOs, Grusch stated, Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. Grusch continued, I know the exact locations [of retrieved UFOs], and those locations were provided to the inspector general andto the [congressional] intelligence committees. Critically, Grusch stated, I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general. It is unlikely that Grusch, speaking to Congress under oath, would perjure himself so brazenly over such specific, falsifiable facts, particularly with his high-profile attorney sitting directly behind him. To that end, it is safe to assume that more than three dozen individuals did indeed tell Grusch of a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and that those with first-hand knowledge provided corroborating information to the intelligence community inspector general. One theory for Gruschs allegations is that the individuals he interviewed became convinced that decades-old myths and rumors of ultra-secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs are true. However, given the significant penalties for making false statements to an inspector general, it is extremely unlikely that multiple high-level, highly-cleared officials would falsely claim to have first-hand knowledge of myths and rumors. Rubio and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, have stated that multiple individuals with first-hand knowledge of Gruschs allegations have spoken to Congress. Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase. Most of these people, Rubio continued, have held very high clearances and high positions within our government. So, you ask yourself: What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification these are serious people have to come forward and make something up? This leaves two extraordinary possibilities that Grusch is correct and elements within and outside of the U.S. government oversee a decades-old UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort a profound, paradigm-shifting development or, to quote Grusch, multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former government officials with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country are engaging in a brazen disinformation campaign. For their part, key lawmakers are taking Gruschs allegations extremely seriously. On July 13, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced a measure that asserts eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown originthat may be controlled by private persons or entities. It also defines and contains two dozen references to non-human intelligence, a term used frequently by Grusch to denote the uncertain origin of highly advanced technology allegedly retrieved. Such efforts are referred to as a legacy program in Schumers legislation. In an in-depth NewsNation interview, Grusch also alleged that non-human remains have been recovered from UFOs. Schumers legislation requires that any biological evidence of non-human intelligence held by private companies be turned over to the federal government in the interests of the public good. On June 22, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), along with Rubio and two other Republican senators, introduced legislation that would immediately halt funding for precisely the types of illegal, unreported programs described by Grusch. The bill also instructs individuals with knowledge of such UFO-related activities to disclose all relevant information. It grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe. Meanwhile, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), who spearheaded the 26 July congressional hearing featuring Grusch and two former naval aviators, are leading a bipartisan effort to establish a select committee to investigate Gruschs allegations. As Rubio stated, if Grusch is correct, theres a group of people who believe that they possess something that they dont need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government. Rubio likened such a dynamic to an internal military complex thats their own government and is accountable to no one which, ultimately, would be a huge problem, if its even partially true. Although such revelations would shake public trust in government to its core, that trust might be rebuilt upon the paradigm-shifting knowledge that humanity is not alone in the cosmos. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975247979] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4134891-a-monumental-ufo-scandal-is-looming/<quote>The decades-long saga of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is barreling headlong toward one of two stunning conclusions.Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign.Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos.For these reasons, it is imperative that Congress and federal law enforcement agencies devote significant resources to investigating a series of remarkable UFO-related developments.Importantly, a third explanation for recent events that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact appears increasingly unlikely.In June, U.S. Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government have secretly and illegally overseen a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort. Two defense officials corroborated the broad contours of Gruschs stunning claims.Grusch has stated that he provided a wealth of highly classified evidence to the powerful internal investigative agencies overseeing the Department of Defense and the U.S intelligence community, but he has not presented any such evidence publicly.However, the officials and lawmakers who have reviewed Gruschs classified evidence are taking his extraordinary allegations seriously.The inspector general of the intelligence community deemed Gruschs allegations that UFO-related information was inappropriately concealed from Congress credible and urgent. Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) confirmed the inspector generals finding.I. Charles McCullough, III, the intelligence communitys first inspector general and now an attorney in private practice, represents Grusch and sat directly behind him during a July 26 congressional hearing. It is extremely unlikely that such a high-profile lawyer and former top federal official would represent anyone making the kinds of extraordinary claims that Grusch is without robust evidence.When asked during the July 26 congressional hearing whether he believes that the U.S. government possesses UFOs, Grusch stated, Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.Grusch continued, I know the exact locations [of retrieved UFOs], and those locations were provided to the inspector general andto the [congressional] intelligence committees. Critically, Grusch stated, I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general.It is unlikely that Grusch, speaking to Congress under oath, would perjure himself so brazenly over such specific, falsifiable facts, particularly with his high-profile attorney sitting directly behind him.To that end, it is safe to assume that more than three dozen individuals did indeed tell Grusch of a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and that those with first-hand knowledge provided corroborating information to the intelligence community inspector general.One theory for Gruschs allegations is that the individuals he interviewed became convinced that decades-old myths and rumors of ultra-secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs are true. However, given the significant penalties for making false statements to an inspector general, it is extremely unlikely that multiple high-level, highly-cleared officials would falsely claim to have first-hand knowledge of myths and rumors.Rubio and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, have stated that multiple individuals with first-hand knowledge of Gruschs allegations have spoken to Congress.Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.Most of these people, Rubio continued, have held very high clearances and high positions within our government. So, you ask yourself: What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification these are serious people have to come forward and make something up?This leaves two extraordinary possibilities that Grusch is correct and elements within and outside of the U.S. government oversee a decades-old UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort a profound, paradigm-shifting development or, to quote Grusch, multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former government officials with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country are engaging in a brazen disinformation campaign.For their part, key lawmakers are taking Gruschs allegations extremely seriously.On July 13, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced a measure that asserts eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown originthat may be controlled by private persons or entities. It also defines and contains two dozen references to non-human intelligence, a term used frequently by Grusch to denote the uncertain origin of highly advanced technology allegedly retrieved. Such efforts are referred to as a legacy program in Schumers legislation.In an in-depth NewsNation interview, Grusch also alleged that non-human remains have been recovered from UFOs. Schumers legislation requires that any biological evidence of non-human intelligence held by private companies be turned over to the federal government in the interests of the public good.On June 22, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), along with Rubio and two other Republican senators, introduced legislation that would immediately halt funding for precisely the types of illegal, unreported programs described by Grusch.The bill also instructs individuals with knowledge of such UFO-related activities to disclose all relevant information. It grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe.Meanwhile, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), who spearheaded the 26 July congressional hearing featuring Grusch and two former naval aviators, are leading a bipartisan effort to establish a select committee to investigate Gruschs allegations.As Rubio stated, if Grusch is correct, theres a group of people who believe that they possess something that they dont need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government.Rubio likened such a dynamic to an internal military complex thats their own government and is accountable to no one which, ultimately, would be a huge problem, if its even partially true.Although such revelations would shake public trust in government to its core, that trust might be rebuilt upon the paradigm-shifting knowledge that humanity is not alone in the cosmos.</quote></quote> ... 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Hornezz 08/04/23 12:20:31 PM #2:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/0/AACpnzAAEuWA.jpg --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:975248013] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/0/AACpnzAAEuWA.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlCalavicci 08/04/23 12:20:36 PM #3:	tl:dr --- Sent from my AI Chatbot <cite>AlCalavicci posted [p:975248016] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>tl:dr </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:23:40 PM #4:	AlCalavicci posted... tl:dr Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign. Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos. Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248056] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>AlCalavicci posted... </cite><quote>tl:dr</quote>Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign.Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos.Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlCalavicci 08/04/23 12:26:39 PM #5:	WingsOfGood posted... Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign. Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos. Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase. thanks --- Sent from my AI Chatbot <cite>AlCalavicci posted [p:975248110] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign.Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos.Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.</quote>thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:28:21 PM #6:	AlCalavicci posted... tl:dr Ever watched Fairly Oddparents as a kid? TC is like Mr Crocker, who spams the board about UFOs. Only difference with the TC lacking any substantiated evidence that backs his heavily implied conspiracy theory. https://youtu.be/eUrkEOa1rR8 <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248135] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>AlCalavicci posted... </cite><quote>tl:dr</quote>Ever watched Fairly Oddparents as a kid? TC is like Mr Crocker, who spams the board about UFOs. Only difference with the TC lacking any substantiated evidence that backs his heavily implied conspiracy theory.https://youtu.be/eUrkEOa1rR8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CSCA33 08/04/23 12:29:33 PM #8:	Thanks @WingsOfGood --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248158] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Thanks @WingsOfGood </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:29:34 PM #9:	RyukSan posted... who spams the board about UFOs. what is name of this board? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248159] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>RyukSan posted... </cite><quote>who spams the board about UFOs.</quote>what is name of this board?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 12:29:36 PM #10:	Importantly, a third explanation for recent events that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact appears increasingly unlikely. If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248160] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote><quote>Importantly, a third explanation for recent events that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact appears increasingly unlikely.</quote>If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:30:46 PM #11:	Shadow_Don posted... If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere. these guys aren't elected like Trump and they actually go to college and are trained <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248179] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere.</quote>these guys aren't elected like Trump and they actually go to college and are trained</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:31:14 PM #12:	Shadow_Don posted... If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere. Lol <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248190] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>If we put trump in the white house I dont know how you can so casually dismiss the possibility that we put morons in positions elsewhere.</quote>Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bandit_Keith 08/04/23 12:32:51 PM #13:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] There is no one risking anything. The Senators will not lose any votes for investigating, and the military people are already retired. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg <cite>Bandit_Keith posted [p:975248223] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> There is no one risking anything. The Senators will not lose any votes for investigating, and the military people are already retired. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AldousIsDead 08/04/23 12:34:24 PM #14:	dismissive wank --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:975248255] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>dismissive wank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:34:52 PM #15:	Bandit_Keith posted... There is no one risking anything. The Senators will not lose any votes for investigating, and the military people are already retired. testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248263] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Bandit_Keith posted... </cite><quote>There is no one risking anything. The Senators will not lose any votes for investigating, and the military people are already retired.</quote>testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 12:36:03 PM #16:	WingsOfGood posted... these guys aren't elected like Trump and they actually go to college and are trained Yea and a lot of the dumbest people in congress also went to the best universities in the world. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248283] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>these guys aren't elected like Trump and they actually go to college and are trained</quote>Yea and a lot of the dumbest people in congress also went to the best universities in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 08/04/23 12:37:07 PM #17:	https://vxtwitter.com/getgianni/status/1685018133680013313 --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:975248301] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>https://vxtwitter.com/getgianni/status/1685018133680013313 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:37:40 PM #18:	Garioshi posted... https://vx wut scary thing is this <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248311] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Garioshi posted... </cite><quote>https://vx</quote>wut scary thing is this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:38:08 PM #19:	WingsOfGood posted... testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh? So no consequences then. Testifying before congress just in the last few years alone has proven one can literally lie and manipulate facts before Congress to spin a narrative with no consequences at all. Testifying before Congress is not credible nor does it enforce serious consequences or consequences at all for spinning a lie. <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248318] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh?</quote>So no consequences then.Testifying before congress just in the last few years alone has proven one can literally lie and manipulate facts before Congress to spin a narrative with no consequences at all.Testifying before Congress is not credible nor does it enforce serious consequences or consequences at all for spinning a lie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumpo 08/04/23 12:39:22 PM #20:	The pope is alien friendly --- Lancool II \| Z690 Tomahawk \|12700K \| Fuma 2 \| RTX 3070Ti \| 16GB 3600MHz \| FireCuda 530 1TB \| Inland NVMe 1TB \| RM750x <cite>Trumpo posted [p:975248344] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>The pope is alien friendly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 08/04/23 12:42:18 PM #21:	RyukSan posted... So no consequences then. Testifying before congress just in the last few years alone has proven one can literally lie and manipulate facts before Congress to spin a narrative with no consequences at all. Testifying before Congress is not credible nor does it enforce serious consequences or consequences at all for spinning a lie. There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason a congressional hearing even happened. --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248394] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>RyukSan posted... </cite><quote>So no consequences then.Testifying before congress just in the last few years alone has proven one can literally lie and manipulate facts before Congress to spin a narrative with no consequences at all.Testifying before Congress is not credible nor does it enforce serious consequences or consequences at all for spinning a lie.</quote>There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason a congressional hearing even happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bandit_Keith 08/04/23 12:43:20 PM #22:	WingsOfGood posted... testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh? That's not what I said, but yes, that is also true. Nothing would be done about it. They wouldn't be able to prove he was lying. He may actually even believe what he's saying. And if there was a coverup of this magnitude, why not silence him before he says anything? At any rate, the poster I responded to said risking careers. There is no risk to a career if your career is over. He can spend the rest of his life grifting UFO-nuts. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg <cite>Bandit_Keith posted [p:975248408] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>testifying to congress the location of UAP under oath and no consequences eh?</quote>That's not what I said, but yes, that is also true. Nothing would be done about it. They wouldn't be able to prove he was lying. He may actually even believe what he's saying. And if there was a coverup of this magnitude, why not silence him before he says anything?At any rate, the poster I responded to said risking careers. There is no risk to a career if your career is over. He can spend the rest of his life grifting UFO-nuts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 12:44:08 PM #23:	CSCA33 posted... There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason a congressional hearing even happened. "I didnt lie. They saw my testimony at the hearing and removed all the evidence." Ok what then? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248429] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason a congressional hearing even happened.</quote>"I didnt lie. They saw my testimony at the hearing and removed all the evidence."Ok what then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 08/04/23 12:46:56 PM #24:	Shadow_Don posted... "I didnt lie. They saw my testimony at the hearing and removed all the evidence." Ok what then? The senate has drafted an amendment to address these issues and provide more whistleblower protections. A lot of people seem to be missing the meat of this story, where independent contractors are not providing pertinent information for oversight and hiding their spending and siphoning tax dollars to special access programs. --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248466] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>"I didnt lie. They saw my testimony at the hearing and removed all the evidence."Ok what then?</quote>The senate has drafted an amendment to address these issues and provide more whistleblower protections. A lot of people seem to be missing the meat of this story, where independent contractors are not providing pertinent information for oversight and hiding their spending and siphoning tax dollars to special access programs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:47:24 PM #25:	CSCA33 posted... There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason this congressional hearing even happened. Which again, is not accurate. One can tell the "truth" in a congressional hearing by saying just enough details that spins a narrative that isn't actually true. We have literally witnessed in the last few years alone of so called whistleblowers showing up to congress to spin a narrative by telling so called statements to congress to spin a narrative that is literally false. The reason this congressional hearing happened is not any different than any other congressional hearing with so called whistleblowers blowers lying by giving statements that suggest a false narrative. It's also not anymore credible than those other past so called whistleblowers. Something isn't credible just because there's a congressional hearing about it. There's no meat of the story, as there has been no credible evidence or substantial evidence backing any of the whistleblowers claims. Just people like you who just want to believe them based on them regurgitating something you want to believe is true. <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248474] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>There are significant penalties for providing false statements to the IG with this whistleblower report, like lengthy federal prison sentences, although the IG has found it serious and credible in this case. That's the reason this congressional hearing even happened.</quote>Which again, is not accurate.One can tell the "truth" in a congressional hearing by saying just enough details that spins a narrative that isn't actually true.We have literally witnessed in the last few years alone of so called whistleblowers showing up to congress to spin a narrative by telling so called statements to congress to spin a narrative that is literally false. The reason this congressional hearing happened is not any different than any other congressional hearing with so called whistleblowers blowers lying by giving statements that suggest a false narrative.It's also not anymore credible than those other past so called whistleblowers.Something isn't credible just because there's a congressional hearing about it. There's no meat of the story, as there has been no credible evidence or substantial evidence backing any of the whistleblowers claims. Just people like you who just want to believe them based on them regurgitating something you want to believe is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 08/04/23 12:47:28 PM #26:	AlCalavicci posted... tl:dr People still think aliens are real and on Earth and flying around in their lil ol spaceships. lol --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:975248475] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>AlCalavicci posted...</cite><quote>tl:dr</quote>People still think aliens are real and on Earth and flying around in their lil ol spaceships. lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pikachuchupika 08/04/23 12:49:58 PM #27:	I just want to know the truth. What does the government have to hide? <cite>Pikachuchupika posted [p:975248520] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>I just want to know the truth. What does the government have to hide?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 08/04/23 12:51:21 PM #28:	RyukSan posted... Which again, is not accurate. One can tell the "truth" in a congressional hearing by saying just enough details that spins a narrative that isn't actually true. We have literally witnessed in the last few years alone of so called whistleblowers showing up to congress to spin a narrative by telling so called statements to congress to spin a narrative that is literally false. The reason this congressional hearing happened is not any different than any other congressional hearing with so called whistleblowers blowers lying by giving statements that suggest a false narrative. It's also not anymore credible than those other past so called whistleblowers. Something isn't credible just because there's a congressional hearing about it. There's no meat of the story, as there has been no credible evidence or substantial evidence backing any of the whistleblowers claims. Just people like you who just want to believe them based on them regurgitating something you want to believe is true. You don't seem to be informed about anything surrounding this and are speaking off the cuff here with broad generalizations that completely miss the mark. --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248536] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>RyukSan posted... </cite><quote>Which again, is not accurate.One can tell the "truth" in a congressional hearing by saying just enough details that spins a narrative that isn't actually true.We have literally witnessed in the last few years alone of so called whistleblowers showing up to congress to spin a narrative by telling so called statements to congress to spin a narrative that is literally false. The reason this congressional hearing happened is not any different than any other congressional hearing with so called whistleblowers blowers lying by giving statements that suggest a false narrative.It's also not anymore credible than those other past so called whistleblowers.Something isn't credible just because there's a congressional hearing about it. There's no meat of the story, as there has been no credible evidence or substantial evidence backing any of the whistleblowers claims. Just people like you who just want to believe them based on them regurgitating something you want to believe is true.</quote>You don't seem to be informed about anything surrounding this and are speaking off the cuff here with broad generalizations that completely miss the mark. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 12:51:52 PM #29:	CSCA33 posted... The senate has drafted an amendment to address these issues and provide more whistleblower protections. A lot of people seem to be missing the meat of this story, where independent contractors are not providing pertinent information for oversight and hiding their spending and siphoning tax dollars to special access programs. None of this really addresses the issues brought up. The whistleblowers can still be full of shit and contractors potentially stealing tax payer money is not quite as exciting as aliens. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248548] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>The senate has drafted an amendment to address these issues and provide more whistleblower protections. A lot of people seem to be missing the meat of this story, where independent contractors are not providing pertinent information for oversight and hiding their spending and siphoning tax dollars to special access programs.</quote>None of this really addresses the issues brought up. The whistleblowers can still be full of shit and contractors potentially stealing tax payer money is not quite as exciting as aliens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/04/23 12:51:55 PM #30:	So this whistleblower have given out locations of where we hide UFOs, perhaps we should move them somewhere else? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:975248550] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>So this whistleblower have given out locations of where we hide UFOs, perhaps we should move them somewhere else? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:52:13 PM #31:	CSCA33 posted... You don't seem to be informed about anything surrounding this and are speaking off the cuff here with broad generalizations that completely miss the mark. People like you are a prime example for gullibility. You want people to find the whistleblowers claim credible but can't find a shred of evidence why anyone should beyond, you thinking it's by default credible for being at a Congressional hearing. <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248554] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>You don't seem to be informed about anything surrounding this and are speaking off the cuff here with broad generalizations that completely miss the mark.</quote>People like you are a prime example for gullibility.You want people to find the whistleblowers claim credible but can't find a shred of evidence why anyone should beyond, you thinking it's by default credible for being at a Congressional hearing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 08/04/23 12:53:26 PM #32:	RyukSan posted... People like you are a prime example for gullibility. You'll have to elaborate on that, otherwise this is blatant projection on your part. --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248579] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>RyukSan posted... </cite><quote>People like you are a prime example for gullibility.</quote>You'll have to elaborate on that, otherwise this is blatant projection on your part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 12:54:57 PM #33:	CSCA33 posted... You'll have to elaborate on that, otherwise this is blatant projection on your part. You have 0 substantial evidence why anyone should consider the whistleblowers as credible. None. Just your feelings, and you wanting it to be true. <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248599] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>You'll have to elaborate on that, otherwise this is blatant projection on your part.</quote>You have 0 substantial evidence why anyone should consider the whistleblowers as credible. None. Just your feelings, and you wanting it to be true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrestlinFan 08/04/23 12:57:24 PM #34:	Foppe posted... So this whistleblower have given out locations of where we hide UFOs, perhaps we should move them somewhere else? How do you know they haven't already? --- Trying to burn the bridges to a culture that taught us to hate and fear and live like cogs in a machine and not like lovers, friends, and kin. <cite>WrestlinFan posted [p:975248637] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite><quote>So this whistleblower have given out locations of where we hide UFOs, perhaps we should move them somewhere else?</quote>How do you know they haven't already? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 08/04/23 12:57:58 PM #35:	RyukSan posted... You have 0 substantial evidence why anyone should consider the whistleblowers as credible. None. Just your feelings, and you wanting it to be true. So you're just shitposting projection because this topic gets under your skin, or what? Bang about loudly on your "aliens aren't real!" drum? You didn't even read the article or watch the hearing. --- [click here] (She/Her) <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:975248646] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>RyukSan posted... </cite><quote>You have 0 substantial evidence why anyone should consider the whistleblowers as credible. None. Just your feelings, and you wanting it to be true.</quote>So you're just shitposting projection because this topic gets under your skin, or what? Bang about loudly on your "aliens aren't real!" drum? You didn't even read the article or watch the hearing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 08/04/23 12:58:27 PM #36:	Pikachuchupika posted... I just want to know the truth. What does the government have to hide? Sources and methods. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:975248653] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Pikachuchupika posted... </cite><quote>I just want to know the truth. What does the government have to hide?</quote>Sources and methods. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 12:58:40 PM #37:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAefUOAAEuWH.jpg Why you didn't see evidence in the hearing <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248656] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAefUOAAEuWH.jpg Why you didn't see evidence in the hearing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 1:01:01 PM #38:	WingsOfGood posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAefUOAAEuWH.jpg Why you didn't see evidence in the hearing Ok. Welp until you guys actually have the evidence maybe pipe it down a bit. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248708] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAefUOAAEuWH.jpg Why you didn't see evidence in the hearing</quote>Ok.Welp until you guys actually have the evidence maybe pipe it down a bit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SychopathicRyda 08/04/23 1:03:03 PM #39:	Wonder what else they're hiding and lying about. --- No Lives Matter <cite>SychopathicRyda posted [p:975248731] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Wonder what else they're hiding and lying about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 1:03:04 PM #40:	Shadow_Don posted... Ok. Welp until you guys actually have the evidence maybe pipe it down a bit. I am reporting on a current event that has news articles like is always done. The hearing happened. It is a current event. People are discussing it and there is more things to come out after. If you dislike that then don't click thread. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975248732] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Ok.Welp until you guys actually have the evidence maybe pipe it down a bit.</quote>I am reporting on a current event that has news articles like is always done.The hearing happened. It is a current event.People are discussing it and there is more things to come out after. If you dislike that then don't click thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyukSan 08/04/23 1:09:26 PM #41:	CSCA33 posted... So you're just shitposting projection because this topic gets under your skin, or what? Bang about loudly on your "aliens aren't real!" drum? You didn't even read the article or watch the hearing. So you can't actually produce any substantiated evidence that this scandal as you called it has any credibility beyond you wanting it to be. Similar to how Trumps team operates, if you just chant its credible over and over loud enough and bombard people with unsubstantiated articles and sources, you hope people just believe it. <cite>RyukSan posted [p:975248846] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>So you're just shitposting projection because this topic gets under your skin, or what? Bang about loudly on your "aliens aren't real!" drum? You didn't even read the article or watch the hearing.</quote>So you can't actually produce any substantiated evidence that this scandal as you called it has any credibility beyond you wanting it to be. Similar to how Trumps team operates, if you just chant its credible over and over loud enough and bombard people with unsubstantiated articles and sources, you hope people just believe it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 08/04/23 1:10:32 PM #42:	WingsOfGood posted... Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase. Honestly, the latter feels pretty accurate. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:975248865] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.</quote>Honestly, the latter feels pretty accurate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mercurydude 08/04/23 1:13:46 PM #43:	Wake me up when they have proof. Stories about keeping people's souls trapped in Dulce base make for some entertaining (and funny) reading, but that's all this stuff ever turns out to be. --- God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, 'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose. - Everlast <cite>mercurydude posted [p:975248907] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Wake me up when they have proof. Stories about keeping people's souls trapped in Dulce base make for some entertaining (and funny) reading, but that's all this stuff ever turns out to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/04/23 1:15:12 PM #44:	WrestlinFan posted... How do you know they haven't already? That is the point. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:975248931] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WrestlinFan posted... </cite><quote>How do you know they haven't already?</quote>That is the point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 1:16:21 PM #45:	WingsOfGood posted... I am reporting on a current event that has news articles like is always done. The hearing happened. It is a current event. The topic is worth reporting on. Its just that in this case the reporting itself is fucking garbage. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975248946] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>I am reporting on a current event that has news articles like is always done.The hearing happened. It is a current event.</quote>The topic is worth reporting on. Its just that in this case the reporting itself is fucking garbage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 08/04/23 1:19:31 PM #46:	Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny. --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:975249006] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/04/23 1:20:14 PM #47:	mystic_belmont posted... Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny. prove it <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975249020] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny.</quote>prove it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchonKnight 08/04/23 1:24:13 PM #48:	WingsOfGood posted... Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign. Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos. Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase. Either way it turns out, I do not think society at large will be too shaken. Many already don't trust government leaders and wouldn't be surprised to have it stated that they're crazy and leading us on a goose chase. People also are so desensitized to the idea of alien life through speculation, media, and actual theories that I don't think it would blow anyone's mind if it were confirmed true. --- {]xxxxxxxxx(&)::::;;;;;:::::::::::::::::::::;;;;::::::::::::::::> Memento Mori <cite>ArchonKnight posted [p:975249089] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign.Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanitys place in the cosmos.Rubio put it succinctly: Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.</quote>Either way it turns out, I do not think society at large will be too shaken. Many already don't trust government leaders and wouldn't be surprised to have it stated that they're crazy and leading us on a goose chase. People also are so desensitized to the idea of alien life through speculation, media, and actual theories that I don't think it would blow anyone's mind if it were confirmed true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/04/23 1:25:57 PM #49:	mystic_belmont posted... Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny. There are 97 known exoplanets 32.6 light-years or closer to us, the nearest being 4 light-years away, so do we really need faster than light travel to visit other planets? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:975249114] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>Hey TC, any alien species capable of faster than light travel is so far beyond us that it isn't even funny.</quote>There are 97 known exoplanets 32.6 light-years or closer to us, the nearest being 4 light-years away, so do we really need faster than light travel to visit other planets? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 08/04/23 1:36:32 PM #50:	Foppe posted... There are 97 known exoplanets 32.6 light-years or closer to us, the nearest being 4 light-years away, so do we really need faster than light travel to visit other planets? Yea probably. Very unlikely that any of those 97 planets have intelligent life so you're gonna have to go a lot farther than 32 light years. But even if by some miracle there is intelligent life on one of those planets, it would still require technology beyond what we could dream of to travel at a speed that is still well below the speed of light. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:975249327] in A monument... [t:80527709]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite><quote>There are 97 known exoplanets 32.6 light-years or closer to us, the nearest being 4 light-years away, so do we really need faster than light travel to visit other planets?</quote>Yea probably.Very unlikely that any of those 97 planets have intelligent life so you're gonna have to go a lot farther than 32 light years.But even if by some miracle there is intelligent life on one of those planets, it would still require technology beyond what we could dream of to travel at a speed that is still well below the speed of light. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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