Current Events > GOP doubling down on the idea that Black people benefited from slavey

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Like this is just the wildest thing for me. They are even going after black people in the GOP who told them that wasn't a good look. And now since they are the GOP they can't back down. They are digging their heels into this idea.

They can't turn back the clock now, the only thing left for them to do is fully embrace the racism and degeneracy.

Gop: "a tough and unjust life teaches you things! Therefore.... Life SHOULD BE TOUGH AND UNJUST!"

And this is how they justify making life hell... FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

I can't wait for the GOP to be calling for the restoration of slavery in the 2028 election. These clowns just keep getting worse and worse.

Doubling down is the only play available to them. Anything less will be seen as weakness, and / or admittance that they have no idea what they're talking about. They can't just shut up about any given issue and let it quietly fall to the wayside either, because the Republican Party is fueled entirely by media clout / controversy at this point.

They're 100% going to bring back Jim Crow.

It is stupid. If someone overcomes adversity to success, then yes they should be praised. However, you don't give the person that provides that adversity credit! It's a backwards argument.

Conservatism is literally the refusal to learn and grow. Its right there in the name, of course theyre doubling down

Another part of it is Republicans believe the Supreme Court can bring slavery back (their dream come true)

Solar_Crimson posted...

They're 100% going to bring back Jim Crow.

Never really left, to be honest...

it's peak insanity that someone could point to american chattel slavery and claim the victims benefited from being treated like animals and less than animals at times. the gop has always sold a false bill of goods to its voters but this is on the level of clinton drinking the blood of children in that no reasonable person could ever take such a claim seriously

next they will try to claim that native americans benefited from being lied to and exploited by the government

I'm Black. The argument that Black people benefited from slavery is actually true. There were benefits to the breeding mechanisms and the ingenuity developed during slavery. Nat Turner is an example, Harriet Tubman is another, Onesimus, the African slave that introduced the concept of inoculation to America during the 1700s is an example of how slaves benefitted America. We may not have won the Revolutionary War if we didn't vaccinate our soldiers. The Arab Slave Trade was a thing too.

The bad thing isn't the statement everyone is raging over. It's the fact that Floridians are prohibited for learning about the negative parts of slavery that came with the development. The rape of men and women, the loss of wealth, the lynching, etc. Also their contributions to American life are also being erased under the guise of being anti-Woke.

So I guess I'm saying if you look at that statement alone it's not really a false statement. It's dumb to rage over that and ignore the real issue which is Florida wants Black people disconnected from their history as soon as possible.

I've said before it's high time that people realize that there is a sizeable portion of our population that is still angry about the gains we've made since the second Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s (2nd because the first was repealed by the Supreme Court, which opened the door for Jim Crow) and are hellbent on drawing back to pre-1955 America.

They are angry that minorities, women and LGBTQ have more of a voice in today's society compared to their childhood or their parent's era. Instead of sharing the table they'd rather burn it down.

This notion that slavery was just a trade program is an attempt to redress it from what it really was, 250 years of chattel slavery and the horrific sexual and physical abuse enslaved black people had to endure. They're depending on their target audience being ignorant, so they're banning books, whitewashed curriculum and saying everything that they don't agree with or doesn't paint the history of America under a jingoistic lense CRT

Solar_Crimson posted...

They're 100% going to bring back Jim Crow.

No, they won't -- because they'll be defeated.

I'm sure those things helped when the Dixiecrats burned down their communities or when they went north, were placed in their own urban areas and then the state gave them less resources and then wouldn't give them loans to move to the suburbs. So really, what are the reparations even for!

Jaguar34 posted...

I'm Black. The argument that Black people benefited from slavery is actually true. There were benefits to the breeding mechanisms and the ingenuity developed during slavery. Nat Turner is an example, Harriet Tubman is another, Onesimus, the African slave that introduced the concept of inoculation to America during the 1700s is an example of how slaves benefitted America. We may not have won the Revolutionary War if we didn't vaccinate our soldiers. The Arab Slave Trade was a thing too.

The bad thing isn't the statement everyone is raging over. It's the fact that Floridians are prohibited for learning about the negative parts of slavery that came with the development. The rape of men and women, the loss of wealth, the lynching, etc. Also their contributions to American life are also being erased under the guise of being anti-Woke.

So I guess I'm saying if you look at that statement alone it's not really a false statement. It's dumb to rage over that and ignore the real issue which is Florida wants Black people disconnected from their history as soon as possible.

It wasn't "to their benefit", as the GOP is trying to put it, because the idea was that they were never released from bondage, so no matter how many skills they may have developed or been taught, those were only intended to benefit their masters and the plantation.

That's what they've been saying, DeSantis doubled down on this by using some "blacksmith" example, which once again, there was never intention of freeing them, so those smithing skills were only intended to serve the master free of charge.

FortuneCookie posted...

No, they won't -- because they'll be defeated.

Really? Will they really? We have a conservative Supreme Court that was handpicked by the Federalist Society, and a bunch more in the Federal circuit that was picked by Trump who will be making rulings for the next 40+ years.

Republicans know their demographics are shrinking but they are employing every method to suppress voting. In Alabama state Republicans have thumbed their noses after Fed Judiciary ordered them to redraw the maps that would make a second majority black district.

It won't be a quick reversal on everything, it's more of a slow boil, and we are the frogs. A lot of people thought Roe v Wade was safe, it wasn't. The Voting Rights Act is a carcass now, Affirmative Action is gone. Next in their crosshairs is Obergefell vs Hodges. They've played the long game for 50+ years, and it's like Revenge of the Sith time now. I wouldn't put anything past them, this is what we are dealing with.

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No. They would still win either way. People would get tired of Democrats not getting any results and switch their votes to Republicans. That's how it's historically worked here with the swing voter

"But why don't the black vote for us."

MrAntisocial posted...

No. They would still win either way. People would get tired of Democrats not getting any results and switch their votes to Republicans. That's how it's historically worked here with the swing voter

The weird part about that is that Democrats have objectively had results.

• Clinton left us with a budget surplus.
• Bush crashed the economy and lied to get us into two wars.
• Obama got us out of the recession, got millions of people healthcare coverage they wouldn't have qualified for before, and left with a growing economy and falling unemployment numbers. The auto industry bailouts were widely criticized, but automakers survived and paid their bailouts back.
• Trump gave the wealthy huge tax cuts and badly mismanaged the covid pandemic. Economy crashed and over 1 million people in the US died from covid.
• Biden passed the PACT act, CHIPS act, inflation reduction act, and infrastructure bills. Unemployment down to 3.6%, manufacturing boom, new roads being built, lead pipes being replaced, fiber internet being run to rural communities that only had shitty internet options before.

CableZL posted...

The weird part about that is that Democrats have objectively had results.
* Clinton left us with a budget surplus.
* Bush crashed the economy and lied to get us into two wars.
* Obama got us out of the recession, got millions of people healthcare coverage they wouldn't have qualified for before, and left with a growing economy and falling unemployment numbers. The auto industry bailouts were widely criticized, but automakers survived and paid their bailouts back.
* Trump gave the wealthy huge tax cuts and badly mismanaged the covid pandemic. Economy crashed and over 1 million people in the US died from covid.
* Biden passed the PACT act, CHIPS act, inflation reduction act, and infrastructure bills. Unemployment down to 3.6%, manufacturing boom, new roads being built, lead pipes being replaced, fiber internet being run to rural communities that only had shitty internet options before.

Policy goals and achievements aren't want the GOP voters care about though, and really hasn't been since Reagan. What they care about is hurting people they deem their lessers.

The GOP treats racism as an institution so I'm not surprised. It's part of their identity.

Kradek posted...

It wasn't "to their benefit", as the GOP is trying to put it, because the idea was that they were never released from bondage, so no matter how many skills they may have developed or been taught, those were only intended to benefit their masters and the plantation.

That's what they've been saying, DeSantis doubled down on this by using some "blacksmith" example, which once again, there was never intention of freeing them, so those smithing skills were only intended to serve the master free of charge.

Putting initial rage aside, your statement means what DeSantis is saying is actually true. He did attain skills as a result of being a slave. He taught it to his children and his successors knew those skills when they were eventually freed.

Florida's GOP is a POS but the argument against his statements is stupid. Rather than outraging at what he's presenting, Floridians who oppose the legislation should be making demands on what they believe should be taught. Without providing a solution, all this rage does nothing but embolden lawmakers to do more things they know they can get away with.

Florida also has a super majority for the GOP, so in reality they can say whatever they want and no one has the political power to stop them.

Jaguar34 posted...

I'm Black. The argument that Black people benefited from slavery is actually true.

Stopped reading right there.....

Dear Tim Scott. This is your party. They don't care about your objections.

Receipts

Its basically like saying When I was a kid my dad would beat me if I didnt mow the lawn every Friday, but now I own a landscaping business, so Thanks Dad?

Jaguar34 posted...

DeSantis is saying is actually true. He did attain skills as a result of being a slave. He taught it to his children and his successors knew those skills when they were eventually freed.

Florida's GOP is a POS but the argument against his statements is stupid.

Context matters, and the argument that slavery was somehow a benefit because "tHeY lEaRnEd SkIlS" is the stupid argument.

As Kradek said, those skills learned were not to the benefit of the slave. It was to the benefit of providing free labor to their slave master.

Same applies to when slaves were eventually freed. When slaves were freed, their lives didn't magically become great from those skills learned as Jim crows laws took affect, what little wealth our ancestors garnered was stolen, and often got them killed.

That's not even addressing the elephant in the room that those skills could have been learned while not being a slave in the first place. The dumbass argument being presented by the GOP tries to act like slavery was necessary to gain those skills and that it wasn't possible to gain those skills if not for slavery.

Claiming skills were learned as if it was some kind of benefit to slaves is a very stupid argument.

Still waiting for that, "Jewish ppl benefited from the holocaust" to pop up on Twitter someday. Maybe it already happened?

CableZL posted...

The weird part about that is that Democrats have objectively had results.
* Clinton left us with a budget surplus.
* Bush crashed the economy and lied to get us into two wars.
* Obama got us out of the recession, got millions of people healthcare coverage they wouldn't have qualified for before, and left with a growing economy and falling unemployment numbers. The auto industry bailouts were widely criticized, but automakers survived and paid their bailouts back.
* Trump gave the wealthy huge tax cuts and badly mismanaged the covid pandemic. Economy crashed and over 1 million people in the US died from covid.
* Biden passed the PACT act, CHIPS act, inflation reduction act, and infrastructure bills. Unemployment down to 3.6%, manufacturing boom, new roads being built, lead pipes being replaced, fiber internet being run to rural communities that only had shitty internet options before.

There are plenty of people who blame the 2008 recession on Obama because that's the year he was elected.

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So Republicans are relying on the electoral college to win local and state elections? They're also using it to win House and Senate seats? They're very much doing well at the local and state level, which influences who wins the House and Senate. If you want to take back the US Supreme Court, you have to focus on who is winning the local and state elections. The President can't do much when the Senate is hostile

Jaguar34 posted...

Putting initial rage aside, your statement means what DeSantis is saying is actually true. He did attain skills as a result of being a slave. He taught it to his children and his successors knew those skills when they were eventually freed.

Africans already had skills prior to enslavement, most notably in agriculture, metallurgy and medicine. It wasn't like slavery was a reason that they knew these skills, there were African blacksmiths for thousands of years dealing with iron, planting rice fields etc. They came with that knowledge and slavers knew it and brought them to specific locations based on that knowledge.

Sheiky-Baby posted...

Still waiting for that, "Jewish ppl benefited from the holocaust" to pop up on Twitter someday. Maybe it already happened?

It did. Dude on FOX News said it a few days ago

Euripides posted...

It did. Dude on FOX News said it a few days ago

Wow...

Taharqa_ posted...

Africans already had skills prior to enslavement, most notably in agriculture, metallurgy and medicine. It wasn't like slavery was a reason that they knew these skills, there were African blacksmiths for thousands of years dealing with iron, planting rice fields etc. They came with that knowledge and slavers knew it and brought them to specific locations based on that knowledge.

This x1000!!!

GOP: "Democrats are the party of the KKK! Republicans ended slavery!"

Also GOP: *waves Confederate flag* Slavery wasn't all bad!

There was a shit poster from 261 that had the "work will set you free" in their sig. Am I wrong to think the GOP is channeling that horrible line through these revisionist history proposals?

MrAntisocial posted...

There are plenty of people who blame the 2008 recession on Obama because that's the year he was elected.

So Republicans are relying on the electoral college to win local and state elections? They're also using it to win House and Senate seats? They're very much doing well at the local and state level, which influences who wins the House and Senate. If you want to take back the US Supreme Court, you have to focus on who is winning the local and state elections. The President can't do much when the Senate is hostile

the "08 recession" started in december of '07 and obama didn't take office until jan of '09. if anyone is blaming obama for a recession that started over a full year before he was even elected they are just too stupid to take seriously.

republicans generally win local and state elections in republican areas, just like democrats do in democratic areas. there is some overlap but the house not actually giving proportional representation and the senate concept being laughably antiquated plays a role despite democrats having both chambers recently.

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Then they'll be defeated in civil war like they were the first time.

Black America isn't going to let itself be put back into Jim Crow. I have faith enough that they will not go down without a fight.

Jaguar34 posted...

Putting initial rage aside, your statement means what DeSantis is saying is actually true. He did attain skills as a result of being a slave. He taught it to his children and his successors knew those skills when they were eventually freed.

Florida's GOP is a POS but the argument against his statements is stupid. Rather than outraging at what he's presenting, Floridians who oppose the legislation should be making demands on what they believe should be taught. Without providing a solution, all this rage does nothing but embolden lawmakers to do more things they know they can get away with.

Florida also has a super majority for the GOP, so in reality they can say whatever they want and no one has the political power to stop them.

Imagine trying to use even the notion of generations of them teaching their kids the same skills because one day maybe they'll be free as any serious sort of justification. The institution of slavery was never meant to end, these skills were only meant to serve the master.

And I get so tired of this ridiculous "they could use those skills post-slavery" argument. It was illegal for them to know how to read and write as slaves, which I'm sure totally assisted them in getting capital to establish their own craft, garner a customer base, or gain an apprenticeship in obscenely murderous & racist post-slavery society that the South was.

I know you prefaced your first post with the claim that you're black, however even if you are that doesn't mean you can't be saying ridiculous nonsense.

Tim Scott is a black man who pushes white supremacist narratives and ideals, being black doesn't mean your opinion can't be wrong on the subject.

asdf8562 posted...

That's not even addressing the elephant in the room that those skills could have been learned while not being a slave in the first place. The dumbass argument being presented by the GOP tries to act like slavery was necessary to gain those skills and that it wasn't possible to gain those skills if not for slavery.

This is a great point. Their narrative tries to make us forget that many of these people already had skills from when before they became slaves and the narrative that they'd be lost in this world without the "benefit" of slavery is meant to help them sell their "uneducated savages" depiction of them. Also the fact that they're acting like the slaves should be grateful to learn these skills in an attempt to push past the fact they were kidnapped and sold into bondage, never requesting nor wanting the reality where they would learn these skills via slavery.

Ashethan posted...

GOP: "Democrats are the party of the KKK! Republicans ended slavery!"

Also GOP: *waves Confederate flag* Slavery wasn't all bad!

"Party of Lincoln": "Actually, slavery was good for Africans. They should be grateful"

Bold strategy.

Slaves learned skills to benefit the master, not the slave. The slave also did not have a choice in what skills they learned, the master chose what skills they were to acquire.

Slaves also were not allowed to read or write, unless they were in a position that required them (likely house slaves).

Once again, the skills slaves acquired were to the benefit of the master, never to them. To suggest otherwise is abhorrent.