Poll of the Day > the alien hearings are a whole awful lot of jack shit all nothing

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it's just three people going "totally trust me bros"

that's not how that works lmfao

all of politics is a circus. its pure entertainment nothing more.

Fighter pilots are all on crack.

I don't want to believe.

its almost as if the general public doesnt know how classified information works.

im not saying that aliens 100% have have visited earth but come on, man.

an inspector general has found his claims and evidence (that we have not seen because its classified information) to be legitimate so im not passing judgement.

who posted

We have real problems we need to be doing literally anything about, but this is what congress spends their time doing. Ridiculous.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

its almost as if the general public doesnt know how classified information works.

to be fair neither did the last president

papercup posted...

We have real problems we need to be doing literally anything about, but this is what congress spends their time doing. Ridiculous.

but what if its legit? and the government has been hiding substantial, energy-free technology from us?

XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted...

to be fair neither did the last president

completely irrelevant. funny how the the anti what about-ism crowd pulls the exact same shit constantly.

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Idgaf about what classified bullshit clearance excuse these speakers have, show us real EVIDENCE or fuck off

joemodda posted...

Idgaf about what classified bullshit clearance excuse these speakers have, show us real EVIDENCE or fuck off

lol

The reason there are no flying saucers or smart people is because they jumped in them and escaped what is essentially the north korea of the galaxy.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

bro don't post Eric Weinstein as proof, he's a professional grifter. first he speculates wildly as if the only two options are 'psychological operation' or 'real'. OR, it's just another guy with claims. AT LEAST offer that as a proposition if you're going to sell yourself as a 'skeptic'.

he's even referring to his constant distrust of the 'mainstream' COVID narrative. this makes him a fucking idiot. even referring to it in the same context as developing the hydrogen bomb???? this guy is an absolute fuckwit.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

lol

I mean - wouldn't you say 'fuck it' to classification if you had adequate proof?

ReturnOfFa posted...

I mean - wouldn't you say 'fuck it' to classification if you had adequate proof?

not if his claims are true. that people are being murdered to suppress information (he didnt actually claim this but strongly alluded to it). again, people reaaaaaally do not understand how classified information disclosure works within the US government.

ReturnOfFa posted...

bro don't post Eric Weinstein as proof, he's a professional grifter. first he speculates wildly as if the only two options are 'psychological operation' or 'real'. OR, it's just another guy with claims. AT LEAST offer that as a proposition if you're going to sell yourself as a 'skeptic'.

he's even referring to his constant distrust of the 'mainstream' COVID narrative. this makes him a fucking idiot. even referring to it in the same context as developing the hydrogen bomb???? this guy is an absolute fuckwit.

attack the points he made, not the person who said them. antisemitism much?

i think pointing out the kind of person he is is directly attacking all the points he made

i dont

DirtBasedSoap posted...

attack the points he made, not the person who said them. antisemitism much?

What???????

My first point was that he presents a false dichotomy between only two options. I attacked this.

My second point was that he has a long history of basless COVID 'narrative' fearmongering. I attacked this. I attacked him also attaching how COVID was handled as something as negative as the development of the hydrogen bomb.

After this points, I added my conclusion that he is a fuckwit. He has a long documented history of being a fuckwit, aside from the points that I made.

Asking me to attack the points he made when I specifically did and then calling me antisemetic is fucking garbage bud.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i dont

ok

if you had donald trump and barack obama standing next to each other

trump tells you there's no aliens

obama tells you there are aliens

who do you believe based purely on their character

trump tells it like it is

more like if there was aliens, trump would have tried to monetize that information

however obama is an alien lizard person and we know this to be true

i'm very high

I also had no clue Eric Weinstein was Jewish, although that should be obvious from his name. It also isn't very obvious considering he isn't practicing nor does he make it a prominent part of his personality.

Detracting factors of Eric Weinstein:

• managing director of Thiel Capital, Peter Thiel's personal investment firm, since 2015. Peter Thiel is also a terrible person. I can go into detail if you'd like.
• For years as a mathematician he has said that he has some kind of theory of everything that will knock everyone out and overturn the field of physics, but he just can't publish it yet because the world isn't ready, and the information will only be suppressed
• Eric is quoted as saying - "We have entered a period in which we cannot trust our experts....We have two generations of institutional experts that are corrupted and that we can not wake up from that crazy fever dream because we can't figure out who we can still trust. The doctors are compromised, the professors are compromised, the journalists are compromised, the politicians are compromised." - I do not have time for people that sell conspiracy on this level. He is overly general to the point of his accusation holding little weight.
• hopped on the "Ivermectin is a miracle drug" claim early
• Here's another great quote: "It is hard to escape the idea that somewhere in Washington DC, there is a Democratic Working group trying to figure out if we can get the Republican Party classified as a domestic terrorist organization so that we can silence, arrest & deport 70M+ voters who dont agree with us." Does this not make him seem like a complete fool?

ReturnOfFa posted...

What???????

My first point was that he presents a false dichotomy between only two options. I attacked this.

My second point was that he has a long history of basless COVID 'narrative' fearmongering. I attacked this. I attacked him also attaching how COVID was handled as something as negative as the development of the hydrogen bomb.

After this points, I added my conclusion that he is a fuckwit. He has a long documented history of being a fuckwit, aside from the points that I made.

Asking me to attack the points he made when I specifically did and then calling me antisemetic is fucking garbage bud.

you didnt address a single point he made lol

ConfusedTorchic posted...

ok

if you had donald trump and barack obama standing next to each other

trump tells you there's no aliens

obama tells you there are aliens

who do you believe based purely on their character

if my sig isnt clear enough: let me be clear; obamna

ReturnOfFa posted...

I also had no clue Eric Weinstein was Jewish, although that should be obvious from his name. It also isn't very obvious considering he isn't practicing nor does he make it a prominent part of his personality.

Detracting factors of Eric Weinstein:
* managing director of Thiel Capital, Peter Thiel's personal investment firm, since 2015. Peter Thiel is also a terrible person. I can go into detail if you'd like.
* For years as a mathematician he has said that he has some kind of theory of everything that will knock everyone out and overturn the field of physics, but he just can't publish it yet because the world isn't ready, and the information will only be suppressed
* Eric is quoted as saying - "We have entered a period in which we cannot trust our experts....We have two generations of institutional experts that are corrupted and that we can not wake up from that crazy fever dream because we can't figure out who we can still trust. The doctors are compromised, the professors are compromised, the journalists are compromised, the politicians are compromised." - I do not have time for people that sell conspiracy on this level. He is overly general to the point of his accusation holding little weight.
* hopped on the "Ivermectin is a miracle drug" claim early
* Here's another great quote: "It is hard to escape the idea that somewhere in Washington DC, there is a Democratic Working group trying to figure out if we can get the Republican Party classified as a domestic terrorist organization so that we can silence, arrest & deport 70M+ voters who dont agree with us." Does this not make him seem like a complete fool?

please address the points i posted instead of attacking a Jewish mans character. thanks.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

you didnt address a single point he made lol

I explained my points against him. You don't seem to be capable of articulating what your issues with my points are.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

please address the points i posted.

What points?

DirtBasedSoap posted...

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these

I...already went into each of them; what're your issues with what I had to say previously?

1st one) All speculation when none of these things have been shown. He's presenting only two things that he considers 'could' be true. There are more than two things that could be true.

2nd one) Note that it begins with 'if'. "if" we have claims. do we have claims of something defying physics? where is that claim? I haven't seen it yet. scientists and video specialists do analyze UAP videos. he ignores those.

3rd one) This one's hardest to parse, because what is the point being made here? I wish you would type out and summarize what you think Eric's claims are for each of these, because they are very meandering and the 'point' is very obtuse. He's claiming here that...there could be a 10 page paper that could shift the wor'd ENTIRE balance of power? Once again 'could' is like 'if'. Where's this paper?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/7/AAUdByAAEs3b.png
Great example of how to fail a science report.

oh my god i don't care anymore you've ruined aliens for me and i was gonna share with everyone my uap experience i had

ReturnOfFa posted...

"It is hard to escape the idea that somewhere in Washington DC, there is a Democratic Working group trying to figure out if we can get the Republican Party classified as a domestic terrorist organization so that we can silence, arrest & deport 70M+ voters who dont agree with us."

Hey man just because most sane individuals WISH this were a thing doesn't mean it is one

ConfusedTorchic posted...

oh my god i don't care anymore you've ruined aliens for me and i was gonna share with everyone my uap experience i had

You should tell us because at least that's fun and more realistic than the meandering thoughts of a wealthy man!

It feels like most people should know these hearings would be a waste of time, no matter whether you think aliens have visited Earth or seriously doubt those claims.

XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted...

to be fair neither did the last president

Or, if you're using that standard, neither did the several presidents before him... and a secretary of state turned presidential hopeful.

People think the US government is the MiB it's fucking hilarious.

kind9 posted...

People think the US government is the MiB it's fucking hilarious.

what is mib is the us government

Now why don't we have a hearing for flerfs to determine once and for all whether NASA is hiding God in the firmament? In America we celebrate stupidity. Rather than raise the epistemic bar from believing whatever the fuck we want, we remove the bar entirely. William Lane Craig style.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

oh my god i don't care anymore you've ruined aliens for me and i was gonna share with everyone my uap experience i had

i saw a ufo once. might have maybe been a drone but it was really high up, bright, and darting around really fast in weird ways. plus it was a bit before drones were really a thing. weird as heck imo

DirtBasedSoap posted...

but what if its legit? and the government has been hiding substantial, energy-free technology from us?

Let's come back to this: Are you actually suggesting that the government is hiding technology that can operate with zero energy input?

Alien technology can be expected to function in ways very different from anything humans have created. It cannot, however, be expected to violate the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, because those immutably govern the whole universe. That claim would be just straight-up magic.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

please address the points i posted instead of attacking a Jewish mans character. thanks.

He did address several of those points (not that there's much to address), and while ad hominem and appeal to authority aren't strictly sound logical arguing, it does play a role in the more general question of "is this somebody I should be listening to?" You don't need to assess everything everyone says through the same strictly logical lens. If somebody has a well-documented history of saying ridiculous things that have been promptly disproven or can be obviously dismissed as nonsense, you don't need to take the time to research a comprehensive rebuttal to every new thing they say. You can pretty safely assume that this new thing is also nonsense until presented with evidence that it might actually be credible.

Resorting to "you're just antisemitic" to avoid engaging with the actual points being made here, is absolutely leaning on ad hominem and appeal to emotion instead of considering the matter logically, and in this case there's zero precedent for anyone here being antisemitic and zero evidence that dismissing this dude as being a conspiratorial grifter is because he's Jewish. Being Jewish does not make him above criticism.

adjl posted...

That claim would be just straight-up magic.

what do you have against magic

potdnewb posted...

what do you have against magic

The cost of entry is prohibitively high, the fundamental model preys on people with difficulty controlling their impulse spending, and the constant rebalancing and release of new cards means keeping up with the meta to any extent gets ridiculously expensive.

adjl posted...

Alien technology can be expected to function in ways very different from anything humans have created. It cannot, however, be expected to violate the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, because those immutably govern the whole universe. That claim would be just straight-up magic.

or the possibility that we don't actually know jack shit about the fundamental laws of the universe

we still have no idea what black holes actually do, and they fully and what we do know about them completely violates what we know about physics.

I haven't been paying attention at all. If the public had something concrete, the entire world would be talking about it.

keyblader1985 posted...

the entire world would be talking about it

Excuse me this only concerns the US, keep the rest of the world out of it.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

or the possibility that we don't actually know jack shit about the fundamental laws of the universe

we still have no idea what black holes actually do, and they fully and what we do know about them completely violates what we know about physics.

Nah this is lent true. Humans clearly know absolutely EVERYTHING and can never be wrong about science. Especially theoretical science.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15bjwys/congress_update_us_senate_passes_multiple_uapufo/

adjl posted...

Let's come back to this: Are you actually suggesting that the government is hiding technology that can operate with zero energy input?

Alien technology can be expected to function in ways very different from anything humans have created. It cannot, however, be expected to violate the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, because those immutably govern the whole universe. That claim would be just straight-up magic.

He did address several of those points (not that there's much to address), and while ad hominem and appeal to authority aren't strictly sound logical arguing, it does play a role in the more general question of "is this somebody I should be listening to?" You don't need to assess everything everyone says through the same strictly logical lens. If somebody has a well-documented history of saying ridiculous things that have been promptly disproven or can be obviously dismissed as nonsense, you don't need to take the time to research a comprehensive rebuttal to every new thing they say. You can pretty safely assume that this new thing is also nonsense until presented with evidence that it might actually be credible.

Resorting to "you're just antisemitic" to avoid engaging with the actual points being made here, is absolutely leaning on ad hominem and appeal to emotion instead of considering the matter logically, and in this case there's zero precedent for anyone here being antisemitic and zero evidence that dismissing this dude as being a conspiratorial grifter is because he's Jewish. Being Jewish does not make him above criticism.

i dont care

ConfusedTorchic posted...

or the possibility that we don't actually know jack shit about the fundamental laws of the universe

we still have no idea what black holes actually do, and they fully and what we do know about them completely violates what we know about physics.

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed" remains a fundamental truth, such that "energy-free technology" is obviously impossible. There are instances where we aren't altogether sure how what we observe fits into that fundamental truth, such as black holes, but "we're not sure where that energy went" is not "that energy was destroyed."

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i dont care

About sensible reasoning? That is indeed clear, yes.

adjl posted...

but "we're not sure where that energy went" is not "that energy was destroyed."

you can't say it's not though, is the thing.

you simply do not know and can't make that claim one way or another.