Current Events > So it turns out country music was always kinda super-racist

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HylianFox
07/22/23 5:58:51 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2023/07/22/1188908968/jason-aldean-small-town-vs-city

The discourse over city and country has evolved over time, and taken on its own identity within country music. Songs that pine for an idyllic rural past have been a part of country music since the genre was first invented as a marketing category for rural white Southerners in the 1920s. Some of the earliest country songs, like Fiddlin' John Carson's "Little Old Log Cabin in the Lane," recorded in 1923 and often celebrated as one of the first country records, yearns for a rustic home. Carson's song, like many others in popular music at the time, was a minstrel tune, commonly performed in Blackface, and written in 1871 and presented from the perspective of a former slave who longed for a pre-emancipation past. Carson also regularly performed at KKK rallies.

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Daremo
07/22/23 6:01:15 PM
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You're just finding this out?

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flussence
07/22/23 6:01:17 PM
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i mean they kinda self-reported after that Vegas concert shooter when they were immediately all "look what Der Left did!!!!!"

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C_Pain
07/22/23 6:02:25 PM
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I think its fair to say all country music is racist

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AldousIsDead
07/22/23 6:24:00 PM
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I'd have never guessed.

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Irony
07/22/23 6:24:28 PM
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Idk that about that dude returning a woman's purse wasn't really racist

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ScazarMeltex
07/22/23 6:27:17 PM
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C_Pain posted...
I think its fair to say all country music is racist
Neither Kris Kristofferson nor his music are racist.

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ArsGoetia
07/22/23 6:28:00 PM
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C_Pain posted...
I think its fair to say all country music is racist

a lot of country is mushy as fuck lovesongs
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McMarbles
07/22/23 6:28:17 PM
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C_Pain posted...
I think its fair to say all country music is racist
Dolly Parton is cool.

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PowerOats
07/22/23 6:38:21 PM
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andel
07/22/23 6:42:05 PM
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all of any genre isn't ever one thing but obv there is going to be a noticeable racist element among country music, especially the pop shit like aldean

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BlueTigerLion
07/22/23 6:43:20 PM
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Did people forget Morgan Wallen existed?

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BignutzisBack
07/22/23 6:44:49 PM
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C_Pain posted...
I think its fair to say all country music is racist

Delusional af lol

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Chrknu
07/22/23 6:46:28 PM
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https://youtu.be/jRdkrDk0BQ0

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Southernfatman
07/22/23 7:06:07 PM
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Its ignorant to act like every single country artist/song is racist.

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candyapplered
07/22/23 8:08:14 PM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
Did people forget Morgan Wallen existed?
That shit with Morgan Wallen was an absolutely ridiculous attempt at painting someone as a racist.

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s0nicfan
07/22/23 8:14:14 PM
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With the rise of self-driving vehicles, it's only a matter of time before we get a country song where a guy's truck leaves him too.

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PraetorXyn
07/22/23 8:21:17 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
With the rise of self-driving vehicles, it's only a matter of time before we get a country song where a guy's truck leaves him too.
What happens when you listen to a country song backwards?

You get your dog back, you get your truck back, and you get your wife back.

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lilORANG
07/22/23 8:22:24 PM
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What about that goddamn insufferable tune "waiting on a woman"

That one is just sexist

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PraetorXyn
07/22/23 8:22:27 PM
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I mean, to be fair, basically fucking everyone was racist Im the 1920s.

There are a lot of traditional country artists who arent racist, but I wouldnt be surprised if most of the arena country ilk is.

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Carljank
07/22/23 8:26:22 PM
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They've always been hillbilly dumb fuck racists.

Merle Haggard "They love our milk an' honey,
But they preach about some other way of livin'.
When they're runnin' down my country, hoss,
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me."

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Carljank
07/22/23 8:27:20 PM
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candyapplered posted...
That shit with Morgan Wallen was an absolutely ridiculous attempt at painting someone as a racist.
He called black people the N-word? What is wrong with you???

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andel
07/22/23 8:29:19 PM
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it's basically the pop country stuff that massively skews towards the y'all queda types and openly embraces racist and trumpist type shit.

artists like billy strings are immensely talented and don't have that ridiculous persona

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candyapplered
07/22/23 9:16:24 PM
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Carljank posted...
He called black people the N-word? What is wrong with you???
LOL! Is that really what you think happened?
Because it's absolutely not what happened. Someone has been lying to you.

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Daremo
07/22/23 9:34:17 PM
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candyapplered posted...
LOL! Is that really what you think happened?
Because it's absolutely not what happened. Someone has been lying to you.
No, no, he would never do such a thing.

He used the term towards his friend. That's fine! Isn't it?

No. No it is not.

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Carljank
07/22/23 9:53:04 PM
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candyapplered posted...
LOL! Is that really what you think happened?
Because it's absolutely not what happened. Someone has been lying to you.
That is exactly what happened.

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candyapplered
07/22/23 9:53:42 PM
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Daremo posted...
No, no, he would never do such a thing.

He used the term towards his friend. That's fine! Isn't it?

No. No it is not.
He grew up listening to rap so it's no surprise that that word with an "a" at the end instead of an "er" found its way into his vocabulary. It is also clear based on the context of the situation that there was no racist intent.

Anyway, he is blowing up right now. His songs are so popular they are getting played on pop stations. He is even collaborating with *gasp* black rappers now. I guess they must be racist black rappers or something. His song with Lil Durk, Stand by Me, is really good.

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Daremo
07/22/23 9:59:36 PM
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candyapplered posted...
He grew up listening to rap so it's no surprise that that word with an "a" at the end instead of an "er" found its way into his vocabulary. It is also clear based on the context of the situation that there was no racist intent.

Anyway, he is blowing up right now. His songs are so popular they are getting played on pop stations. He is even collaborating with *gasp* black rappers now. I guess they must be racist black rappers or something. His song with Lil Durk, Stand by Me, is really good.
So, it's fine because he's popular and some of his best friends are black?

Wow. I didn't think anyone would still be saying that unironically in 1983...

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Tyranthraxus
07/22/23 9:59:46 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
What happens when you listen to a country song backwards?

You get your dog back, you get your truck back, and you get your wife back.
There was this female comedian I can't remember the name of and have been trying to find ever since who had this hilarious bit on country music. It went something like

"Comedian wasn't my first choice. I wanted to be a country singer but I took a test and my self esteem was too high."

My husband slept with my daughter...
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I never should have introduced them

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candyapplered
07/22/23 10:01:57 PM
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Daremo posted...
So, it's fine because he's popular and some of his best friends are black?

Wow. I didn't think anyone would still be saying that unironically in 1983...
I didn't say it's "fine" or acceptable. I'm just saying it is ridiculous to call him a racist based on this singular and completely non-racist example.

Maybe one day you'll move out of the 1 dimensional world you live in and understand what I mean.


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Tyranthraxus
07/22/23 10:04:35 PM
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candyapplered posted...
I didn't say it's "fine" or acceptable. I'm just saying it is ridiculous to call him a racist based on this singular and completely non-racist example.

Maybe one day you'll move out of the 1 dimensional world you live in and understand what I mean.

God damn it's like The Admiral never left

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candyapplered
07/22/23 10:08:10 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
God damn it's like The Admiral never left
Just take the L, dawg, and move on.

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Kradek
07/22/23 10:09:13 PM
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andel posted...
artists like billy strings are immensely talented and don't have that ridiculous persona

Fuck ya, I've only heard a few songs from him, however I dig what I've heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kGBYIILs58

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BakonBitz
07/22/23 10:11:02 PM
#39:


C_Pain posted...
I think its fair to say all country music is racist
Not all of it. Quite a lot of it is love songs.

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Heartomaton
07/22/23 10:14:57 PM
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Chrknu posted...
https://youtu.be/jRdkrDk0BQ0

I should have read through the topic before I posted this exact same video.

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Alucard188
07/22/23 10:15:10 PM
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ArsGoetia posted...
a lot of country is mushy as fuck lovesongs

Motherfuckers just love their tractors and Fords.

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_____Cait
07/22/23 10:17:13 PM
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This is stupid.

Yeah there are a ton of racist country fans and some singers too.

There are so many songs that are just about love or other stuff.

This is like saying all rap is about objectifying women and killing cops.

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UnholyMudcrab
07/22/23 10:18:03 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Motherfuckers just love their tractors and Fords.
Until they choose tractors and Fords (and beer) over their wives and their wives trash them, anyway.

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Priere
07/22/23 10:18:09 PM
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At least Hank Sr. wasnt racist. Right?

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Daremo
07/22/23 10:21:26 PM
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candyapplered posted...
I didn't say it's "fine" or acceptable. I'm just saying it is ridiculous to call him a racist based on this singular and completely non-racist example.

Maybe one day you'll move out of the 1 dimensional world you live in and understand what I mean.
In your quest for nuance you neglected to notice that I never said he was racist. He might be, he might not, I don't know the man.

What I was pointing out is that your arguments against it are weak. Agonizingly so. Do better, or, to paraphrase another musician, keep your mouth shut when you don't know.

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candyapplered
07/22/23 10:30:57 PM
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Daremo posted...
In your quest for nuance you neglected to notice that I never said he was racist. He might be, he might not, I don't know the man.

What I was pointing out is that your arguments against it are weak. Agonizingly so. Do better, or, to paraphrase another musician, keep your mouth shut when you don't know.
Just take the L and move on, cuz.


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Daremo
07/22/23 10:34:14 PM
#48:


candyapplered posted...
Just take the L and move on, cuz.
I would, because I have no problem admitting my mistakes.

I've made none.

So you can take that L, and get much pleasure from it, I have no doubt.

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candyapplered
07/22/23 10:40:11 PM
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Daremo posted...
I would, because I have no problem admitting my mistakes.

I've made none.

So you can take that L, and get much pleasure from it, I have no doubt.
I don't take pleasure in proving 1 dimensional thinking wrong.

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Daremo
07/22/23 10:41:51 PM
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candyapplered posted...
I don't take pleasure in proving 1 dimensional thinking wrong.
You just enjoy imagining it where it doesn't exist.

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Carljank
07/22/23 10:48:10 PM
#51:


The only L here is for the person defending the racist hillbilly.

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ChainsawFerret
07/22/23 11:02:31 PM
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Got a few bands to get y'all off the beaten trail. Most of the mainstream country scene is fake. You can find these on Youtube.

1) Sturgill Simpson.

2) Goodnight, Texas

3) Poor Man's Poison

4) Blues Saraceno.

And just for something different, a metal band that does country better than most country artists: Orden Ogan.

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