Current Events > John Boyega said TLJ was the worst of the new trilogy

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GATTJT posted...

Super speed, choking someone through a video connection, and projecting an image of yourself across the galaxy are a-okay, but flying? That's where we draw the line, Johnson!

Super speed and choking people with the Force were established in the original Star Wars lore. I don't recall anyone being choked through a video, though; you could only choke them in person. Projecting an image of yourself across the galaxy could only be done with technology, not the Force.

No one had ever used the Force to fly across space before. The writers just made that bullshit up on the spot for this movie.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

EU

There's your answer why no one cares.

Episodes 1-6 are canon. Everything else was glorified fanfiction before the sequel trilogy.

NeonTentacles posted...

He's completely right.

FA > TROS > LTJ

If Force Awakens was the best of the trilogy, I was right to skip the sequels.

Rogue One was better and it was a soulless cash-in that killed of its cast like they were nothing.

Incredible posted...

I don't recall anyone being choked through a video, though

*SPOILERS FOR ESB AND TLJ IN THIS POST*

https://youtu.be/Wrsp3ETStoI?t=517

Incredible posted...

Projecting an image of yourself across the galaxy could only be done with technology, not the Force.

I'm referring to the Luke v. Kylo fight at the end of TLJ

That's fucking obvious.

GATTJT posted...

I'm referring to

Other bullshit that TLJ made up? tsk tsk

FortuneCookie posted...

If Force Awakens was the best of the trilogy, I was right to skip the sequels.

Same lol

I was underwhelmed by TFA in theaters and if the sequels are even worse, may as well not even bother with them. I've only seen clips on YouTube.

But the only decent Star Wars movies are A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

Incredible posted...

Super speed and choking people with the Force were established in the original Star Wars lore. I don't recall anyone being choked through a video, though; you could only choke them in person. Projecting an image of yourself across the galaxy could only be done with technology, not the Force.

No one had ever used the Force to fly across space before. The writers just made that bullshit up on the spot for this movie.

I don't recall super speed in any of the movies other than one single scene in the prequels. Where it was almost random and not relevant again.

Force choking over video is in the OT.

I find it odd that projecting yourself over long distance is more farfetched for you than projecting yourself after death.

Incredible posted...

Other bullshit that TLJ made up? tsk tsk

All of it is made up

The reason why TLJ is worse then TROS is because it retroactively makes the first movie worse and actively made TROS worse by putting Abraham's in a corner.

In all honesty the problem isn't so much Ryan Johnson or Abraham's the problem is that it didn't have a coherent story or direction and the directing styles clashed. If it was all Ryan Johnson or all Abraham's I feel the trilogy would have been better.

Rose is the reason why TLJ is the worst

The reason why The Last Jedi was the worst is because it made all the likable new characters from The Force Awakens idiots. Especially Finn.

TFA was okay, it mostly was a good set up for a trilogy with lots of different plot points that could be explored.

TLJ was hot garbage, it took everything TFA set up and burned it all to the ground in order to "subvert expectations". There was plenty more wrong with the movie beyond that but I'm really not in the mood to deep dive everything wrong with that turd.

RoS sucked, there admittedly wasn't much that could really be done to make it much better after the damage TLJ did but regardless of the main cause of the suckage the fact is that it sucked.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I don't recall super speed in any of the movies other than one single scene in the prequels. Where it was almost random and not relevant again.

Force choking over video is in the OT.

And both were still established before TLJ

Punished_Blinx posted...

I find it odd that projecting yourself over long distance is more farfetched for you than projecting yourself after death.

Show me where someone flew across space before TLJ. oh wai

GATTJT posted...

All of it is made up

Not by TLJ

Coming up with random shit on the spot is bad writing. Not that the original movies weren't also guilty of this, but that's not an excuse to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

TLJ deserves the most hate, that much is certain. I'm tired of apologists praising it for "subverting expectations" or "trying something new", and denying that it's completely run by stupid people making stupid choices, both in the movie and in the studio. Literally the whole movie is people doing unrealistically stupid things in order to make the next stupid thing happen.

And John Boyega is right to dislike TLJ. Finn's inability to become a Jedi made all those promotions of his character with a lightsaber extremely embarrassing in retrospect.

Incredible posted...

Show me where someone flew across space before TLJ. oh wai

Jedi can use the force to levitate themselves for a short time and push their own bodies to jump super high (that's what they call "force jump"). The only reason they can't fly is because going against the force of gravity for so long requires too much concentration and energy, and would exhaust themselves if they tried to do it for more than a short distance.

But in space, there is no gravity so all she would need to do is give herself a little push and then she could float to wherever she wants. It's basically just force jump without gravity.

Incredible posted...

Coming up with random shit on the spot is bad writing. Not that the original movies weren't also guilty of this, but that's not an excuse to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

"All Star Wars movies are equally bad for making up Force things that didn't exist before that movie."

Im not a fan of TLJ, but RoS is by far the worst Star Wars film. Even as somebody who thinks there hasnt actually been a good Star Wars film released in my lifetime, RoS is so much worse
than all the other shit theyve released. Its insulting to watch.

CyricZ posted...

"All Star Wars movies are equally bad for making up Force things that didn't exist before that movie."

It's Incredible that a Regular User couldn't see his argument being used against him.

Unknown5uspect posted...

It's Incredible that a Regular User couldn't see his argument being used against him.

It's a scotty alt. Who is a hoth alt.

ironman2009 posted...

Rose is the reason why TLJ is the worst

No, thats not it. There are a few things that really stick out.

1. Admiral Holdo not telling Poe what the plan was added forty five minutes of unnecessary shit to the movie.
2. Luke could have had ANY OTHER reaction to Rey giving him the Saber and Id have been happier. You mean the guy that believed the guy who murdered all those little kids and blew up a planet could be redeemed, but thirty years later, he was just like, nah.cant pull that shit again. Fuck the Jedi. It made no sense.
3. Rey and Kylo having conversations, and Rey forgets like a day later that Kylo is an asshole just because Luke was also an asshole.
4. The Holdo maneuver makes all space battles pointless.
5. The Holdo Maneuver doesnt even make sense even if you could it. Consider, a 767 hit the WTC and didnt even make it to the other side. Were supposed to believe that tiny piece of crap cut through a Super Star Destroyer and its support ships and the Super Star Destroyer didnt fall out of the sky?
6. Snoke - what was the fucking point? Like Snoke didnt see that coming. Stupid.
7. Finally, the ending. Luke being a hologram was just a slap in the face to all of us. We wanted him to kick Kylos Ass, and we didnt get it. Not to mention, it essentially set up an anticlimactic third movie with Snoke dead. I mean, Rey vs Kylo 2.0 just doesnt have the same umph as Luke vs Vader and the Emperor or Yoda vs Darth Sidious and Obiwan vs Anakin, given the ending of the 7th movie. Which is why they shoved Palps in there for the 9th.

See, Rose doesnt even factor into it really.

Indeed, Rose had such a small role, she had little impact on how bad the movie was.

Rose's main contribution to the badness of the film is the casino planet plot she brought with her.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Luke could have had ANY OTHER reaction to Rey giving him the Saber and Id have been happier. You mean the guy that believed the guy who murdered all those little kids and blew up a planet could be redeemed, but thirty years later, he was just like, nah.cant pull that s*** again. f*** the Jedi. It made no sense.

It's one thing to redeem someone else from a mistake they made. Or that someone inflicted on them. It's another to confront your own mistakes and failings.

I kind of get why he retreated from everything after his insecurity and resulting failure in training his own apprentice. It was relatable, at the very least.

DnDer posted...

I kind of get why he retreated from everything after his insecurity and resulting failure in training his own apprentice. It was relatable, at the very least.

He blamed the Jedi for what happen. When he did something that was objectively anti Jedi. So not only did his mistake cost billions of lives, he blamed others , lied about what happened and was an overall coward . Drinking milk right from the teat.

ok i respect his opinion

its my 2nd favorite star wars movie personally

cjsdowg posted...

When he did something that was objectively anti Jedi.

which is?

AceMos posted...

which is?

Almost killing your innocent (at the time) student while they sleep is not the Jedi way to do things.

cjsdowg posted...

Almost killing your innocent (at the time) student while they sleep is not the Jedi way to do things.

He wasn't innocent, he was already secretly learning about the dark side. Also Luke probably saw what Kylo Ren would become which made him feel overcome with fear and anger. Were you paying attention all the times the movies told us what can happen when a force user is overcome with fear and anger?

your brains are all rotted for still arguing about this like six years later

please watch some other movies

i can recommend some if anyone is interested

action52 posted...

He wasn't innocent, he was already secretly learning about the dark side. Also Luke probably saw what Kylo Ren would become which made him feel overcome with fear and anger. Were you paying attention all the times the movies told us what can happen when a force user is overcome with fear and anger?

Yeah that is still innocent dude. Oh he is learning about the dark side. So show him what they is bad, don't try blank him when he is sleep. And Luke excuse for what he is one thing, not fixing the issue is something else. Both or bad , one is unforgivable.

action52 posted...

He wasn't innocent, he was already secretly learning about the dark side.

lol that doesn't mean he wasn't an "innocent" person. He was just a kid with temptations to commit evil; he hadn't actually done anything, so no reason to consider killing him. He's innocent in every sense that matters for an adolescent.

action52 posted...

Also Luke probably saw what Kylo Ren would become which made him feel overcome with fear and anger.

Who cares? The future isn't set in stone. Until Ren actually crosses the line, he doesn't deserve to be executed.

Luke pulled his lightsaber out just because he sensed evil in him; no one ever did that with Anakin before he became Vader. Just a half assed excuse to get Ren to hate Luke.

Zithers posted...

your brains are all rotted for still arguing about this like six years later

The only joy I get out of these topics is watching brains twist into pretzels trying to come up with "objective" evidence for their butthurt over a movie and ending up plopping down on their plates the worst cowpie of an argument.

"You can't make up new Force powers" is a winner.

I dont care what you say about any other movie in the franchise. If you dont think ROS isnt just the worst in the franchise, its actually one of the worst movies ever madeidk what to tell you. Check yourself.

Sometimes I think Attack of the Clones manages to be worse than Rolling Over Skywalker, but other times I'm not sure.

It's weird. TFA was mostly well-liked, but TLJ and ROS are as polarizing as they come, with some people arguing that they're even worse than the prequels. How did the filmmakers drop the ball so badly lol

Bringing back Palpatine made sense for $$$, seeing as he's the most significant villain in the whole franchise. But they could have handled it a lot better than just "Somehow Palpatine has returned herp derp". TLJ should have built it up instead of wasting time with the Canto Bight stuff.

Snoke was thrown under the bus, but what reason was there to really expect much from a poor man's Palpatine. Better to just use the real thing. But shipping Kylo and Rey together was weird.

Incredible posted...

with some people arguing that they're even worse than the prequels.

Because they are, especially for ROS.

I do want to say that one of the worst things they could do to Rey's character was make it canon that she's a Mary Sue. In TFA not enough was known about her to be able to make that claim without being a bit unhinged. Then TLJ shows up and directly makes it canon that the stronger and more skilled Kyle Ren gets the stronger and more skilled Rey gets because the force is balancing things.

So good job Ryan, you combated the idiots calling Rey a Mary Sue by making it canon that she doesn't have to struggle, she doesn't have to try, she'll just become as strong as she needs because the Force wills it. Just so fucking dumb.

Also the thing about her power just happen to grow with Kylo. Kind of blows away that anyone can be a Jedi that people claim was shown in TLJ. Since the force picked her out of everyone in the universe to be special .

cjsdowg posted...

Also the thing about her powering just happen to grow with Kylo. Kind of blows away that anyone can be a Jedi that people claim was the shown in TLJ. Since the force picker her out of everyone in the universe to be special .

This post is incomprehensible.

cjsdowg posted...

Also the thing about her powering just happen to grow with Kylo. Kind of blows away that anyone can be a Jedi that people claim was the shown in TLJ. Since the force picker her out of everyone in the universe to be special .

Yes it picked a nobody instead of another Skywalker. What's the contradiction?

Wasn't there an implication that Rey and Kylo Ren had a Force bond?

Punished_Blinx posted...

Yes it picked a nobody instead of another Skywalker. What's the contradiction?

Wasn't there an implication that Rey and Kylo Ren had a Force bond?

If the force itself picks you, and at the same time you are skilled at everything. That means you are not a nobody. You are the Chosen one.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Wasn't there an implication that Rey and Kylo Ren had a Force bond?

More of a gigantic neon sign.

cjsdowg posted...

If the force itself picks you, and at the same time you are skilled at everything. That means you are not a nobody. You are the Chosen one.

She was a 'nobody' because of her background. The original story was that her parents abandoned her when she was hoping it was for an important reason. I don't know how you think your interpretation would make sense. Why would 'anyone can be a Jedi' mean 'nobody can be a super powerful Jedi'

Remove the Canto Bight shit in TLJ. Don't kill of Snoke. Build up Palpatine returning in the next movie. Make it seem like Snoke could be some kind of clone or reincarnation of Palpatine or some shit.

Then at the start of ROS it turns out Snoke has revived Palpatine, who kills him at the start of the movie.

There's not much they could do to make the ST good. The characters and story just doesn't work even if you have someone competent. It was a failure from the beginning. Honestly, the actors just didn't fit the characters. The writing, the screenplay, all of it just didn't work. None of it was captivating or fun and exciting. The problem was that they got the wrong people to do these movies. They are somewhat heading in the right direction with The Mandalorian (Jon Favreau), but I still don't have a lot of faith.

It seriously baffles me that people didn't think there was any potential with Kylo Ren becoming the top Sith Lord.

We never really see things from Palpatine's perspective. What power and secrets are revealed to you when you're the one at the top? Going by Palpatine it's a lot. We could have seen behind the curtain. We know the Rule of Two exists so how does that actually work when you topple your master? The funny thing it TROS sets up an even more secret layer of Sith fanatics who...exist solely to keep Palpatine alive.

On the other end you'd have Rey also setting up her new Jedi Order. Finn could have finally got to use a lightsaber. Yoda and Luke could have seen what the new Jedi Order learn and be better after their mistakes.

Like I'm no movie writer. But that set up alone could have been full circle for the entire saga. The Jedi as an Order could have risen and done what they didn't do in the PT. Defeat the Sith together.

But no. JJ Abrams just wanted to remake the OT with different characters (or use the same one when it came to Palpatine).

Punished_Blinx posted...

She was a 'nobody' because of her background. The original story was that her parents abandoned her when she was hoping it was for an important reason. I don't know how you think your interpretation would make sense. Why would 'anyone can be a Jedi' mean 'nobody can be a super powerful Jedi'

One we already no that anyone can be a Jedi. Since most Jedi doesn't come from noble blood. But if you are chosen by the Universe to do something great you are in no way shape or form a nobody. Luke is more of a nobody then she was.

cjsdowg posted...

One we already no that anyone can be a Jedi. Since most Jedi doesn't come from noble blood. But if you are chosen by the Universe to do something great you are in no way shape or form a nobody. Luke is more of a nobody then she was.

If you already know what are you whining about? What quote are you taking issue with anyway?

Was it this?

Ren: It's time to let old things die. Snoke, Skywalker, the Sith, the Jedi, the Rebels; Let it all die. Rey... I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy.
Rey: [starting to tear up] Don't do this, Ben. Please, don't go this way.
Ren: No, no. You're still holding on! Let go! [quickly calms down] Do you want to know the truth about your parents? Or have you always known? And you've just hidden it away. You know the truth. Say it. [Rey continues to tear up] Say it.
Rey: [tearfully] They were nobody.
Ren: They were filthy junk traders, who sold you off for drinking money. They're dead in a pauper's grave in the Jakku desert. You have no place in this story; you come from nothing. You're nothing... but not to me. Join me. [he extends his hand towards Rey] Please.