Current Events > Pathetic country boomer creates the dumbest yee-haw song in a decade

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DnDer posted...

No allusion when he follows "flag burning" with "see how far you make it." He's literally lumped them in with the other people in the stanza as someone he'll hunt down and do violence to if he catches them doing it in his small town.

And again, I don't think it's that literal. My takeaway was that the flag-burning was symbolic of people who don't respect American values and thus have no qualms about committing wicked acts; not a condemnation of peaceful protest. But hey, I don't know the guy; maybe he WAS saying he'd rough you up just for burning the flag as if you were an assaulter, old person abuser, or gunman. In which case, I think that's despicable. But that just wasn't my takeaway, at least initially.

DnDer posted...

Guy advocates for vigilantism (read: lynching people) in his small town.

You say that reflects some positive values you agree in.

It's not much of an assumption at this point.

I mean if you just wanna go full-blown intellectually dishonest and ignore everything I've actually said, then sure.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Well, now that you all have spent an entire page of the topic feeding him, do you feel like you've accomplished anything?

Vented my spleen. Helped expose someone's terrible views and behavior for a larger audience and let him keep digging his own hole.

Wasn't much, but it was honest work.

DnDer posted...

You answered me, "Yes," when I asked if vigilante violence was acceptable.

Which, again, isn't the same as saying "I believe in enacting violence against people I think did me wrong."

BobbaDukes posted...

And again, I don't think it's that literal. My takeaway was that the flag-burning was symbolic of people who don't respect American values and thus have no qualms about committing wicked acts; not a condemnation of peaceful protest. But hey, I don't know the guy; maybe he WAS saying he'd rough you up just for burning the flag as if you were an assaulter, old person abuser, or gunman. In which case, I think that's despicable. But that just wasn't my takeaway, at least initially.

This particular "artist" doesn't seem bright enough to go any deeper than simple superficial literal lyrics.

Well, raise a glass to another page of feeding, I suppose.

Carljank posted...

This particular "artist" doesn't seem bright enough to go any deeper than simple superficial literal lyrics.

Well, the more you guys reveal about him, the more I'm inclined to agree. Silly me.

BobbaDukes posted...

But that just wasn't my takeaway, at least initially.

And what's your takeaway now, since you've been shown who he is and what he supports, and how your statements agreeing with his sentiments paint you in a very, very bad light?

Ready to own up and just say, "My bad. It really does look like he's saying that, and I'm not really for the kinds of things he's actually advocating for," instead of doubling down?

Most people can accept a mea culpa. Even here.

BobbaDukes posted...

Which, again, isn't the same as saying "I believe in enacting violence against people I think did me wrong."

It is the same for you to say that.

Until they're convicted by a jury of their peers by a fact-finding court, it's entirely what you think they did wrong.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Well, raise a glass to another page of feeding, I suppose.

Slinte!

DnDer posted...

And what's your takeaway now, since you've been shown who he is and what he supports, and how your statements agreeing with his sentiments paint you in a very, very bad light?

Ready to own up and just say, "My bad. It really does look like he's saying that, and I'm not really for the kinds of things he's actually advocating for," instead of doubling down?

Most people can accept a mea culpa. Even here.

I mean, no need to make a federal case of the matter lol I just viewed the guy's lyrics with more optimism than you guys, but apparently that was giving him too much credit. At the end of the day, it's whatever. I don't know the artist and I don't even find the song particularly pleasant. 'Twas never that deep.

DnDer posted...

It is the same for you to say that.

Until they're convicted by a jury of their peers by a fact-finding court, it's entirely what you think they did wrong.

No, that's not how reality works. That's just the culturally accepted system imposed by people with more power than me, but I am under no obligation to share that philosophical doctrine.

"Some of the things they're accusing urban* people of actually are bad!" isn't exactly a compelling defense. The implication is that people from cities are morally inferior and dangerous, the fact that the songwriter was so incompetent he couldn't even make everything he accused them of actually bad doesn't change that. The idea that people in rural/smalltown areas are morally superior has a long and destructive history and doesn't become a good thing because "but killing random people on the street IS bad!"

*We also all know urban doesn't just mean people from cities in this context.

BobbaDukes posted...

but I am under no obligation to share that philosophical doctrine.

Social contract that makes up our society and country says hi. You are very much bound by the doctrine that holds our culture in place and prevents it from being a lawless anarchy. That can mean supported something absolutely heinous like the death penalty, because our culture currently accepts it as a thing we allow. For now.

At no point has street justice been something you can subscribe to and maintain the position that you're abiding by the social contract.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Well, try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road

I absolutely guarantee almost anybody could fuck up a small town in an hour or two if they really tried.

DnDer posted...

Social contract that makes up our society and country says hi. You are very much bound by the doctrine that holds our culture in place and prevents it from being a lawless anarchy. That can mean supported something absolutely heinous like the death penalty, because our culture currently accepts it as a thing we allow. For now.

At no point has street justice been something you can subscribe to and maintain the position that you're abiding by the social contract.

I never said I wish the courts, due process, and the general justice system didnt exist. Nonetheless, I believe street justice has its place. I 100% believe there are certain situations that call for it.

BobbaDukes posted...

I never said I wish the courts, due process, and the general justice system didnt exist. Nonetheless, I believe street justice has its place. I 100% believe there are certain situations that call for it.

Name one. And not something already legal like directly stopping someone about to commit violence.

What Simpson said.

KI_Simpson posted...

Name one. And not something already legal like directly stopping someone about to commit violence.

If I knew for a fact that somebody raped my daughter, I can damn-near guarantee that something terrible will befall that person before the authorities even get involved, and best believe I wont lose a goddamn lick of sleep over not waiting for due process.

BobbaDukes posted...

If I knew for a fact that somebody raped my daughter, I can damn-near guarantee that something terrible will befall that person before the authorities even get involved, and best believe I wont lose a goddamn lick of sleep over not waiting for due process.

Why does this "call for it" instead of calling for the person being arrested? You realize you knowing something happened isn't proof, are you willing to go on trial for this and possibly go to prison for the rest of your life if you can't prove the person you killed was guilty? If not, why do you think you personally shouldn't be prosecuted for it?

KI_Simpson posted...

Why does this "call for it" instead of calling for the person being arrested? You realize you knowing something happened isn't proof, are you willing to go on trial for this and possibly go to prison for the rest of your life if you can't prove the person you killed was guilty? If not, why do you think you personally shouldn't be prosecuted for it?

Yes, Ill risk getting in trouble over fucking up the guy who SAd my daughter. You shittin me? Yeah no, you do something that abhorrent then you deserve whatever comes your way, and most people (including the jury) will understand why you chose to beat the brakes off someone who molested your child.

BobbaDukes posted...

Yes, Ill risk getting in trouble over fucking up the guy who SAd my daughter. You shittin me? Yeah no, you do something that abhorrent then you deserve whatever comes your way, and most people (including the jury) will understand why you chose to beat the brakes off a child molester.

So the jury will "understand" by just assuming you're telling the truth even if you can't prove it? I think it's pretty clear how dangerous that is, telling people it's okay to kill anyone they accuse of something bad enough regardless of whether they can prove it. Especially in a small town where someone having the wrong skin color, sexuality, or gender identity could make the jury assume they were dangerous without sufficient evidence.

i wont even bother hitting the play button. i have standards...

KI_Simpson posted...

So the jury will "understand" by just assuming you're telling the truth even if you can't prove it? I think it's pretty clear how dangerous that is, telling people it's okay to kill anyone they accuse of something bad enough regardless of whether they can prove it. Especially in a small town where someone having the wrong skin color, sexuality, or gender identity could make the jury assume they were dangerous without sufficient evidence.

Again, IF I KNOW FOR A FACT that you SAd my daughter, your ass is grass. Dont give a fuck about none of that other shit.

BobbaDukes posted...

Again, IF I KNOW FOR A FACT that you SAd my daughter, your ass is grass. Dont give a fuck about none of that other shit.

How would you know for a fact if you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court?

BobbaDukes posted...

Again, IF I KNOW FOR A FACT that you SAd my daughter, your ass is grass. Dont give a fuck about none of that other shit.

But you gave enough of a shit to say the jury would "understand" based entirely on your word. Would you think the jury did the right thing if you were convicted because you couldn't prove that the person you killed assaulted her? Would you and your family be okay with you spending potentially decades in prison over this?

Enclave posted...

How would you know for a fact if you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court?

Because whether or not something happened isnt contingent on whether it can be proved in court. If I KNOW it happenedregardless of howthe person responsible is getting fucked up, and Ill face whatever consequences may follow if I get caught.

KI_Simpson posted...

But you gave enough of a shit to say the jury would "understand" based entirely on your word. Would you think the jury did the right thing if you were convicted because you couldn't prove that the person you killed assaulted her? Would you and your family be okay with you spending potentially decades in prison over this?

Bro, how are you not getting it? I wouldnt give a fuck. If I somehow knew, without a doubt, that some guy SAd my daughter, I would make it my personal mission to destroy that dude and ideally in a way that wouldnt get me in trouble. I wouldnt be concerned about the courts. I am going to make a horrible human being pay a steep price for violating my daughter.

BobbaDukes posted...

Because whether or not something happened isnt contingent on whether it can be proved in court. If I KNOW it happenedregardless of howthe person responsible is getting fucked up, and Ill face whatever consequences may follow if I get caught.

And how would you KNOW? Plenty of people KNEW throughout history that their family member was raped or killed by a person only for it to be later discovered that oops, it wasn't who they thought it was.

There's a very good reason why vigilantism is illegal.

Enclave posted...

And how would you KNOW?

The person admits it. I catch him on camera. Take your pick. The point is, IF I KNOW, its over for him. Dont focus on the wrong details. The point is that street justice has a place, in my opinion, and situations like this are a great example.

BobbaDukes posted...

Bro, how are you not getting it? I wouldnt give a fuck. If I somehow knew, without a doubt, that some guy SAd my daughter, I would make it my personal mission to destroy that dude and ideally in a way that wouldnt get me in trouble. I wouldnt be concerned about the courts. I am going to make a horrible human being pay a steep price for violating my daughter.

So you agree that doing that could justifiably lead to you being viewed as a murderer? That kind of defeats the "street justice has a place" argument since the result is you possibly going to jail for decades because you refused to allow due process.

BobbaDukes posted...

The person admits it. I catch him on camera. Take your pick. The point is, IF I KNOW, its over for him. Dont focus on the wrong details. The point is that street justice has a place, in my opinion, and situations like this are a great example.

You don't get to say "situation like this are a great example!" while blowing off holes in them with "who cares, the point is that I'm 100% certain to be right in this hypothetical!"

Yikes, this is embarrassing. He would've been better off making a song with these lyrics: "Made America great again, made America great again, made America great again, Trump made it great again! Great again and great again, Trump made it great again! Made America bad again, made America bad again, made America bad again, Biden made it bad again! Bad again and bad again, Biden made it made bad again! Where my country gone? Oh where my country gone? Where my country gone? Oh where my country gone? Country gone and country gone, oh where my country gone?!" It would be just as bad but at least it would've been catchy.

BobbaDukes posted...

The person admits it. I catch him on camera. Take your pick. The point is, IF I KNOW, its over for him. Dont focus on the wrong details. The point is that street justice has a place, in my opinion, and situations like this are a great example.

Naw, I'm focusing on the correct details because people talking like you are literally get innocent people killed.

Crime rates have been getting lower for a long time with a spike upward just during the pandemic.

Right wing "red" states have higher higher crime rates, but the media love to focus on "democrat cities" while ignoring population density. If fifteen murders happen in Chicago or New York City one weekend, that's like the per-capita equivalent of several entire rural states.

KI_Simpson posted...

So you agree that doing that could justifiably lead to you being viewed as a murderer? That kind of defeats the "street justice has a place" argument since the result is you possibly going to jail for decades because you refused to allow due process.

Dont know what to tell ya, bruh. At best, if you SA my daughter and I know its a fact, you better hope the courts find you guilty because street justice will be in full swing if the justice system fails.

Torgo posted...

Crime rates have been getting lower for a long time with a spike upward just during the pandemic.

Right wing "red" states have higher higher crime rates, but the media love to focus on "democrat cities" while ignoring population density. If fifteen murders happen in Chicago or New York City one weekend, that's like the per-capita equivalent of several entire rural states.

Yup, you'll find that Republicans always look at crime rates in cities to talk about how dangerous they are, meanwhile if you break it down by county? Awful lot of very red rural areas have higher per capita violent crime rates than most dastardly cities.

I'd posted a couple weeks ago a link that showed as much in another thread here in CE.

BobbaDukes posted...

Dont know what to tell ya, bruh. At best, if you SA my daughter and I know its a fact, you better hope the courts find you guilty because street justice will be in full swing if the justice system fails.

Yeah, it's obvious you don't know what to tell me, because you keep ignoring questions to repeat "I'm right in this hyper-specific hypothetical situation that no one is allowed to scrutinize and that's all that matters!"

KI_Simpson posted...

You don't get to say "situation like this are a great example!" while blowing off holes in them with "who cares, the point is that I'm 100% certain to be right in this hypothetical!"

Yes I do, because it being a fact is the very basis on which Im justifying street justice.

KI_Simpson posted...

Yeah, it's obvious you don't know what to tell me, because you keep ignoring questions to repeat "I'm right in this hyper-specific hypothetical situation that no one is allowed to scrutinize and that's all that matters!"

Havent ignored a single one of your questions. You just dont like that I presented a situation where street justice would be 1,000% understandable.

BobbaDukes posted...

Yes I do, because it being a fact is the very basis on which Im justifying street justice.

Saying something "has its place" to the point where you defend it implies the place is something that actually happens. If your hypothetical isn't realistic (or a scenario where your proposed actions don't just make things worse isn't realistic) then you have no substantial argument.

BobbaDukes posted...

Havent ignored a single one of your questions. You just dont like that I presented a situation where street justice would be 1,000% understandable.

You have refused to answer whether a jury would be justified in finding you guilty if you couldn't prove your accusation. You just deflect that with "I'm so fucking right in this hypothetical scenario, I'm a fucking badass and that's all that matters!"

Enclave posted...

Naw, I'm focusing on the correct details because people talking like you are literally get innocent people killed.

Thats utterly ridiculous. I am giving you a hypothetical situation in which street justice is 100% valid because I KNOW the villain committed a uniquely heinous act, and youre questioning details that arent relevant to the point of the argument.

What happens if the father sees the rapist, the rapist escapes, and then a week later the father sees the rapist walking down the street

KI_Simpson posted...

You have refused to answer whether a jury would be justified in finding you guilty if you couldn't prove your accusation. You just deflect that with "I'm so fucking right in this hypothetical scenario, I'm a fucking badass and that's all that matters!"

Thats an irrelevant question. What does it matter if the jury finds me guilty or not? The point is that I know this horrible person did this horrible thing, and street justice would be 100% justified. ESPECIALLY if it did go to court and he was found not guilty.

We fuck our cousins and drink moonshine
Life around here is so divine

there, i can write country lyrics as well...

BobbaDukes posted...

Thats utterly ridiculous. I am giving you a hypothetical situation in which street justice is 100% valid because I KNOW the villain committed a uniquely heinous act, and youre questioning details that arent relevant to the point of the argument.

It's not utterly ridiculous, it's literally happened countless times. People get 100% convinced they're right that somebody did something only for it to be found out after the fact that they didn't actually do the thing.

You are not infallible.

BobbaDukes posted...

Thats an irrelevant question. What does it matter if the jury finds me guilty or not? The point is that I know this horrible person did this horrible thing, and street justice would be 100% justified. ESPECIALLY if it did go to court and he was found not guilty.

So much for not dodging questions. I didn't even ask if you cared about the personal consequences, I asked if you acknowledged the jury would be justified in convicting you for killing someone you couldn't prove was guilty.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

What happens if the father sees the rapist, the rapist escapes, and then a week later the father sees the rapist walking down the street

"Sorry officer, I could have sworn they were the same person"

Enclave posted...

Yup, you'll find that Republicans always look at crime rates in cities to talk about how dangerous they are, meanwhile if you break it down by county? Awful lot of very red rural areas have higher per capita violent crime rates than most dastardly cities.

I'd posted a couple weeks ago a link that showed as much in another thread here in CE.

Now, the hardcore racists and true MAGA believers don't care, but it is important to dispel these myths. A lot of this comes unfortunately from Hollywood too. You don't set your fantasy white male revenge film in a small town, and you don't set them up to battle gangs of meth addicted and desperate poor whites. That doesn't sell.