Current Events > Some of the complaints for Dr Strange 2 remind me of the ones for Wreck-it Ralph

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saspa posted...

Namely the "Waahhh they said multiverse of madness but they didn't show us a million universes" complaints is giving me the same energy as Wreck-it Ralph's nothing-complaint that the movie didn't have Ralph just going through a bunch of video game worlds like a completely uninspired movie, instead of being the amazing movie it turned out to be.

While Dr Strange 2 wasn't an amazing movie like Wreck-it Ralph was, its problems were not really related to those specific complaints, it had much more glaring problems with its production.

I was hoping for both in both movies but I still found them enjoyable to watch

saspa posted...

While Dr Strange 2 wasn't an amazing movie like Wreck-it Ralph was

I feel like that's a substantially greater distinction than you're making it out to be.

(For the record, I have numerous complaints about MoM, but 'it wasn't multiverse-y enough' wasn't one of them. Just like it never really bothered me that 'Age of Ultron' took place over something like a week's time.)

I mean, if you call it multiverse of madness then people expect more than what, 2.5 dimensions?

Foppe posted...

I mean, if you call it multiverse of madness then people expect more than what, 2.5 dimensions?

3.5, quite satisfying

The idea to turn it to a horror film with Wanda as the monster was awful.

Squall28 posted...

The idea to turn it to a horror film with Wanda as the monster was awful.

But why?

The big difference was Wreck it Ralph was an actual good movie while Dr. Strange 2 wasn't, so any problems a bad film might have just get compounded. I'm not against a multiverse movie only going into a few multiverses, I just hate it how uncreative, uninspiring, and badly it uses the multiverse. You literally have a character that can create portals to other multiverse's and all you do with her is make her into a talking McGuffin.

Squall28 posted...

The idea to turn it to a horror film with Wanda as the monster was awful.

Nah, that was the only good parts of the movie. It would've been a disaster if were not for the horror aspects of it. Sure it leads to a lot of stupid and stupid moments, but at least it's better than it being another generic MCU movie.

I may be in the minority here, but I actually prefer the sequel to the original. There were a lot of cool moments and I really liked America Chavez.

Foppe posted...

I mean, if you call it multiverse of madness then people expect more than what, 2.5 dimensions?

I mean, they had the same issue with Ant Man. Calling it "Quantumania" made it seem like it was going to be truly crazy, but it was actually just an MCU movie in somebody's tiny alternate universe fanfiction.

Squall28 posted...

The idea to turn it to a horror film with Wanda as the monster was awful.

I thought having Sam Raimi doing the MCU version of a horror flick was actually pretty cool.

I hated it that Wanda was not redeemed though. I really like Olsons take on that character in movies and TV, and her being the monster was a shame. But I thought Sam Raimi style horror and the MCU was a fun way to pass a couple hours.

Squall28 posted...

The idea to turn it to a horror film with Wanda as the monster was awful.

Actually the studio stepping in and making them reduce that aspect of the film is likely what ruined it. The original director wanted to go straight horror movie with it but it got meddled with and he quit which is why Raimi came in.

people basically wanted a much less interesting movie where you got to see a bunch of references, yes

Agreed. It would have been an absolutely terrible movie if they spent only 5 minutes in each universe because they just tried to cram as many in as they could.

The movie did what it needed to do -- it established that the multiverse is out there, and showed off how a few of the worlds have a similar-yet-different feel to them. They didn't need to have Doctor Strange hopping between fifty different worlds to show that.

People really thought this show was going to be an entire season of Sliders crammed into a two-hour runtime lmao

i think they could have given us a couple more quick transitions while they're in the illuminati meeting room. have them have to jump universes as wanda keeps getting closer, showing off a slightly different group each time. until the last one where the local wanda is a member and we see her get possessed and the movie keeps going as it did.

i agree, though, with the main thought, that such a complaint is a bit overblown. what we got was good. fans what-if'ing it after the fact is just a fact of nerd culture you have to deal with.

By the end of WandaVision I was already feeling pretty darn cynical about the whole X-Men cockteasing, and I can comfortably say that my opinion of MoM would be improved overall if that aspect of it was factored out.

masterpug53 posted...

By the end of WandaVision I was already feeling pretty darn cynical about the whole X-Men cockteasing, and I can comfortably say that my opinion of MoM would be improved overall if that aspect of it was factored out.

But without the cameos you're left to ponder the illogicality of the movie and the events leading up to it.

The title was misleading. And there was nothing particularly mad about the universe they spent most of their time in. It is perfectly reasonable to expect a movie about hopping from universe to universe.

It's weird to me that people got so upset about a movie because of their own misplaced assumptions. It's not the movies fault you thought it was going to be something else. And people claim to hate this movie but that's the only complaint I've ever heard about it. Well, also that they killed off the fan service characters in a scene that was clearly set up only to kill off fan service characters, but that's a very smooth brain take. So, if the only complaint about a movie is one that's inside your head, why are we supposed to believe it's so bad?

Uh

People complained because

Dr Strange somehow didnt know how to use his powers to do anything efficiently

Wanda could have asked America to send her to a universe where she could be with her kids, but she didnt.

Why did the ghosts not go after Wanda

Why is there a shop where you can see memories but it shows it for free out in public and why do Strange and America just stand there and let their most embarrassing memories play

If Prof X is so smart, why didnt he know this Strange would t destroy their universe

Shy was Mr Fantastic so stupid to announce his plan to Wanda

and more

specialkid8 posted...

It's weird to me that people got so upset about a movie because of their own misplaced assumptions. It's not the movies fault you thought it was going to be something else. And people claim to hate this movie but that's the only complaint I've ever heard about it. Well, also that they killed off the fan service characters in a scene that was clearly set up only to kill off fan service characters, but that's a very smooth brain take. So, if the only complaint about a movie is one that's inside your head, why are we supposed to believe it's so bad?

It happened with MoM, it happened with Wandavision, and it's going to happen with Deadpool 3, and probably several other stuff. People are going in with headcanon that it's going to expand the MCU to have mutants or whatever, and they're just setting themselves up for disappointment, like fan theorists always do.

It wasn't a necessary requirement to have persistent universe hopping, but at the very least have the main alternate universe they spend most of the movie in be have something more going on in it than "the traffic light colors are flipped", "the dress code sucks", and "Bruce Campbell sells pizza balls", because that's fucking boring.

dancing_cactuar posted...

It wasn't a necessary requirement to have persistent universe hopping, but at the very least have the main alternate universe they spend most of the movie in be have something more going on in it than "the traffic light colors are flipped", "the dress code sucks", and "Bruce Campbell sells pizza balls", because that's fucking boring.

It was pretty cliche, but I will say the memory lane part was a mildly acceptable cliche of "show don't tell" by literally showing. If it were another even lesser movie it would have the character (poorly) talk out that entire sequence.

I'm more bothered by the bruce campbell cameo. He was overly aggressive against dr strange, and they went overboard with the joke of having him punch himself for 3 weeks despite the fact that he was just protecting his livelihood. And they passed it off as a humorous moment with the 2 smirking as they're walking away. That little scene instantly rubbed me the wrong way.