Current Events > FF16 be like "We need to get to this city immediately"

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Imagine if doing that side quest makes you fail the main quest.

Haha, yeah I enjoyed that voice line there. I'm maybe like one main story event thing further than there.

Some spoilers up to that point: CAN THE FUCKING SKY GO BACK TO NORMAL ALREADY. I'm so fucking TIRED of the whole game looking so fucking dim.

Standard JRPG shenanigans.

Requiem posted...

Imagine if doing that side quest makes you fail the main quest.

That would be hilarious. Is there a game that does that?

Rharyx211 posted...

Standard JRPG shenanigans.

It's just kind of funny because of how extremely linear the game is at times. Like they easily could have just combined getting to the city+the mission in the city as one long segment (and I don't think it would even be the longest single segment in the game), but they just...didn't? Because not only can you do side quests on your "way" to the city, once you actually arrive at it it doesn't force you into the next mission either.

E: And hell NEW side quests actually unlock once you arrive.

Rharyx211 posted...

That would be hilarious. Is there a game that does that?

I can't think of any game where doing a specific side quest results in failing the main quest, but this topic did remind me of the first mission in Deus Ex: Human Revolution where *SPOILERS* you need to rescue hostages, but if you remain in the area you start in for too long the hostages will be executed before you even get to the mission location.

Holy fuck there's NINE side quests that unlock immediately after you fight Odin in the sea.

Bio1590 posted...

Holy fuck there's NINE side quests that unlock immediately after you fight Odin in the sea.

there's like 10 or 11 right after you unlock the final story mission

I'm playing through Nier Replicant and that's how it feels. Gotta find this thing to save this person, *but* I also need to grow or find a watermelon for sale for a quest. Yup...

One thing I did find funny was that the game doesn't really seem to consider that traveling actually takes time. I did the quest where you get your uncle to prepare a ship and he says it'll take a few weeks. I figured this would be a small time skip, but instead Clive says they need to go ahead back because it's a distant journey to the Hideaway.

So despite the fact that he's traveling a good distance across the continent, he decides to make a round trip instead of sticking around.

Kaiganeer posted...

there's like 10 or 11 right after you unlock the final story mission

Yeah... they really throw them at you. Those final quests are some of the best and most poignant in the game though.

The game is really terrible with the concept of time, especially when traveling is involved.

"We have to hurry! We have to follow this ship!"
"We can't! You have to travel through half of the continent TWICE for this main quest first!"

I really enjoyed: (spoilers for the 5th Major Eikon fight)

We need to get to the capital ASAP. Oh Goetz has lost his entry VISA. Lets talk to a friend who makes us talk to children to find another child, who makes us fight several bandits so that we can get into the city. Just let me in the f***ing city

Wasn't this the same with ff15?

Our country/city is fucked, let's just go camping and fishing for a bit.

Cobra1010 posted...

Wasn't this the same with ff15?

Our country/city is fucked, let's just go camping and fishing for a bit.

Or in fact any RPG or semi/open world game

spikethedevil posted...

Or in fact any RPG or semi/open world game

True, there are several points in God of War: Ragnarok where the main plot is something that really needs to be immediately dealt with and the side-characters just tell you that it's perfectly fine to go do side quests.

Wait, they went from Final Fantasy 7 to 16?

While its true but theres definitely differences in severity.

Witcher 3: you're in a race against time to look for your adopted daughter, let's play some Gwent.

GATTJT posted...

can't think of any game where doing a specific side quest results in failing the main quest

Mass effect 2 and 3 had negative repercussions for players if they wasted to much time on side quest instead of the main objective.

Prismsblade posted...

Mass effect 2 and 3 had negative repercussions for players if they wasted to much time on side quest instead of the main objective.

And that's part of the reason why it doesn't happen any more.

St0rmFury posted...

Witcher 3: you're in a race against time to look for your adopted daughter, let's play some Gwent.

Hey gwent is serious business.

Prismsblade posted...

Mass effect 2 and 3 had negative repercussions for players if they wasted to much time on side quest instead of the main objective.

technically, Mass Effect 2 would make it so you should finish everything before a certain point. When they say that you go and do said mission, do the mission or else you won't get the best ending.

Cobra1010 posted...

Hey gwent is serious business.

"Quickly, we have to save your daughter'!"

Nah, It's time to D-D-D-D DUEL

pegusus123456 posted...

One thing I did find funny was that the game doesn't really seem to consider that traveling actually takes time. I did the quest where you get your uncle to prepare a ship and he says it'll take a few weeks. I figured this would be a small time skip, but instead Clive says they need to go ahead back because it's a distant journey to the Hideaway.

So despite the fact that he's traveling a good distance across the continent, he decides to make a round trip instead of sticking around.

Yeah I've actually noticed how the story seems to bounce back-and-forth between "Travel in the realm is nearly instantaneous" and "Actually it takes a week to get anywhere" depending on what's convenient at the moment.

The whole sequence of events from after the boss fight in Kanver to when you return to the Hideaway after Clive finally hits it make absolutely zero sense from a passage of time perspective.

There's a point near the end,where the characters specifically say they'll need to trek through a long dangerous mountain path to get to the next objective. Then it immediately whips you to the map with the fast travel option to the doorstep of the objective.

Felt like a joke with the characters saying one thing then the gameplay immediately undercutting that. Thought I was about to unlock a new area only to be zipped to the next destination anyway.

Bio1590 posted...

Yeah I've actually noticed how the story seems to bounce back-and-forth between "Travel in the realm is nearly instantaneous" and "Actually it takes a week to get anywhere" depending on what's convenient at the moment.

The whole sequence of events from after the boss fight in Kanver to when you return to the Hideaway after Clive finally hits it make absolutely zero sense from a passage of time perspective.

I'll attest to that. A lot of side quests where you go from one side of the continent to another wouldn't make sense if you think too hard about it.

"I never knew a smile could bring such joy"

Game is great. I just got a bunch of side quests opened after the sea battle as well.

dameon_reaper posted...

technically, Mass Effect 2 would make it so you should finish everything before a certain point. When they say that you go and do said mission, do the mission or else you won't get the best ending.

Game was somewhat conflicting in that regard. Before the final mission you're told to proceed asap, but also recommended to take your time and prepare.

With many players likely choosing the latter to complete the last loyalty missions. To which either option could easily screw over newer players doing a blind playthrough.

Requiem posted...

Imagine if doing that side quest makes you fail the main quest.

I read a story about a DM that did this. One of the best/worst games he ever ran by his own estimation. Started out with rumors of a Lich gathering armies in this one city. PCs sort of created their own side quest wherein they liberated this city from an oppressive government. Filled with intrigue, politics, combat, everything. To the gills. PCs were loving it. They won.

Then the Lich came with his army and Everyone Died.

On one hand it was hilarious, but on another it was also a real dick move. There's a reason that developers don't do that lol

aint this common for rpgs at least for western ones

Prismsblade posted...

Game was somewhat conflicting in that regard. Before the final mission you're told to proceed asap, but also recommended to take your time and prepare.

With many players likely choosing the latter to complete the last loyalty missions. To which either option could easily screw over newer players doing a blind playthrough.

yeah, I'm glad I waited to play it. I wasn't planning to do this blind. I always tend to finish everything at the last possible moment so I would have had the worst ending.

Xenogears15 posted...

I read a story about a DM that did this. One of the best/worst games he ever ran by his own estimation. Started out with rumors of a Lich gathering armies in this one city. PCs sort of created their own side quest wherein they liberated this city from an oppressive government. Filled with intrigue, politics, combat, everything. To the gills. PCs were loving it. They won.

Then the Lich came with his army and Everyone Died.

On one hand it was hilarious, but on another it was also a real dick move. There's a reason that developers don't do that lol

That's why I usually give the players some time. I remember one time that the players had two weeks to get to a certain city and it was a long trek which I filled with lots of things they could do and they were so quick to get to the city and I was so sad. >_< Then later they got to the city and there was going to be a huge gathering that they needed to get to or else they failed and they ended up missing out even with so many warnings from me...

The most annoying part imo is when the game will block you off from going anywhere besides the main mission area, and then as soon as the cutscene is over, you can go back to traveling wherever for side quests.

How is that necessary in any way

itachi15243 posted...

The most annoying part imo is when the game will block you off from going anywhere besides the main mission area, and then as soon as the cutscene is over, you can go back to traveling wherever for side quests.

How is that necessary in any way

Oh

This game has that too! Multiple times

After multiple hours I have finally finished the current side quests.

Can't wait for the next batch

dameon_reaper posted...

technically, Mass Effect 2 would make it so you should finish everything before a certain point. When they say that you go and do said mission, do the mission or else you won't get the best ending.

And with the exception of like two or three missions that need to be done quickly, you're actively penalized for not doing side content in 3.

Cobra1010 posted...

Wasn't this the same with ff15?

Our country/city is fucked, let's just go camping and fishing for a bit.

In FF15 they do it to calm down and chill because they are good friends

So far in FF16.uh yeah why are we doing side quests the whole world is in crazy fucking danger lol

Nasty_Nitro posted...

So far in FF16.uh yeah why are we doing side quests the whole world is in crazy fucking danger lol

Look, this cook really needs these scorpion tails to make his nasty garbage stew and if the heir to the Rosarian Duchy won't do it, no one will.

So I'm at the part after you kill Barnabas and are heading for Stonhyrr.and man I cannot wait to see the justification for how they're going to cram in like 12 more side quests given how close the end is.

I know there won't be any and they'll just pop up

Okay the last batch of side quests is actually somewhat reasonable. A lot of them are pretty short and just tying up some loose ends.

That second-last set is easily the worst.

itachi15243 posted...

The most annoying part imo is when the game will block you off from going anywhere besides the main mission area, and then as soon as the cutscene is over, you can go back to traveling wherever for side quests.

How is that necessary in any way

The intro cutscene where you reunite with your party at that destination is crucial to the plot.

"Why can't they join up at the hideout like any other RPG"

Quiet you!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AAe-HEAAEnuW.jpg

lol one of the side quests finishes and then says "Joshua has joined your party and will travel with you everywhere until you leave for [end game]".

My dude he's literally been following me the entire time.

Bio1590 posted...

lol one of the side quests finishes and then says

Aw, spoilers.

I mean this topic is literally full of them >_>

But that's one that I haven't seen and it personally affects me damn it

But yeah, that's not really a surprise lol.

Yeah there's a couple of sidequests that add party members until you're ready to leave for the final mission, so I guess it's better to do them first. Do Joshua's first and Jill's makes itself available right after.

BakonBitz posted...

Yeah there's a couple of sidequests that add party members until you're ready to leave for the final mission, so I guess it's better to do them first. Do Joshua's first and Jill's makes itself available right after.

Yeah turns out what happens is that he follows you specifically for his side quest line, so if you pick it up and then go do all the others he stays with you the entire time regardless.

So really it just defeats the point and the only real reason to speed through his side quest is to unlock the one after it.

Okay so how hard exactly is this S-tier dragon fight >_>

Bio1590 posted...

Also: "Here's 7 side quests that just unlocked"

It's actually funny that there's a side quest you pick up in the town you meet up with Jote in, and when you leave the town if you head in the direction the side quest location is in (which is opposite of where the main quest location is), Joshua actually says to Clive "Are you sure this is the right direction?"

This is my gripe with every open world type game.