Current Events > American's say they need to be in the top 3% of earners to feel comfortable

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COVxy
07/07/23 11:56:27 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/06/success/how-much-to-feel-rich/index.html

Lol, the middle class is deluded.

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ejolson
07/07/23 11:58:08 AM
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Deluded? I can tell you from personal experience that, even in SC, where the cost of living is kept artificially low, you need about 75k with a SAHM and a child to feel comfortable, and that is without any debt to service. But go ahead and call us deluded...national median is only 56K.

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COVxy
07/07/23 11:58:41 AM
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I expect people to have some understanding of their own society.

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Yo_D_oY
07/07/23 12:00:03 PM
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The middle class doesn't exist you mean? I earn 200k a year and feel great but few yrs ago made 75k and that wasn't enough to be a homeowner and invest towards retirement.

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COVxy
07/07/23 12:00:22 PM
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ejolson posted...
Deluded? I can tell you from personal experience that, even in SC, where the cost of living is kept artificially low, you need about 75k with a SAHM and a child to feel comfortable, and that is without any debt to service. But go ahead and call us deluded...national median is only 56K.

More than 2,500 US adults said they would need to earn, on average, $233,000 a year to feel financially secure and $483,000 annually to feel rich or to attain financial freedom, according to a new survey from Bankrate.

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bluezero
07/07/23 12:00:31 PM
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COVxy posted...
I expect people to have some understanding of their own society.
You can't even spell Americans.

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ejolson
07/07/23 12:00:33 PM
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Meanwhile we have wealthy people in this country making more income than they will ever use and then seeking out ways to keep even more it by not paying taxes and/or finding ways to skirt US law around financial instruments.

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COVxy
07/07/23 12:01:47 PM
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bluezero posted...
You can't even spell Americans.

Damn, I made a typo while typing a topic title on gamefaqs.com. You got me lol.

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Unsuprised_Pika
07/07/23 12:02:11 PM
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Off the top of my head 50-60k for short term security. 75-100k for long term(adjusts upward with inflation as time goes on natch)

Basically enough to maintain my current standards even if I no longer had a roomate. + extra if talking longer term.

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BombermanGold
07/07/23 12:03:17 PM
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ejolson posted...
Meanwhile we have wealthy people in this country making more income than they will ever use and then seeking out ways to keep even more it by not paying taxes and/or finding ways to skirt US law around financial instruments.

Or bribe (oh right, the proper term is lobby) politicians so that the laws don't apply or work for them at the expense of others.

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Requiem
07/07/23 12:03:36 PM
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COVxy posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/06/success/how-much-to-feel-rich/index.html

Lol, the middle class is deluded.

I sort of blame the social media for this.


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CommonStar
07/07/23 12:05:56 PM
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One bad medical crisis and even that won't be enough.
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FurryPhilosifer
07/07/23 12:06:36 PM
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I'm in the UK and I live off less than $12000 a year.

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hockeybub89
07/07/23 12:08:14 PM
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Make half a million a year to feel comfortable?

lmao the mentality of the 1% is spreading

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ArsGoetia
07/07/23 12:08:45 PM
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I'd have to make almost $80k a year here to not qualify for government assistance lol
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COVxy
07/07/23 12:11:28 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Make half a million a year to feel comfortable?

Nah, 233k was feeling comfortable/financially secure. 483k puts you in the top 1%, which is when peope say they would feel wealthy/financially free.

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Pitlord_Special
07/07/23 12:12:03 PM
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Id be in pretty good shape with a take home pay of 60k per year (currently sitting at 44k/yr)

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IfGodCouldDie
07/07/23 12:12:51 PM
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Considering my wife and I make just over 100k and struggle to live the "middle class" lifestyle excluding owning a house.(we own a mobile home for now) I really don't think believing 200k a year to be financially stable is really that outlandish.

For context we do have 2 kids which definitely adds to our cost of living.

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Avirosb
07/07/23 12:13:28 PM
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Requiem posted...
I sort of blame the social media for this.
Wouldn't be any social media without enough people being the wrong kind of social.

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IfGodCouldDie
07/07/23 12:13:29 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Make half a million a year to feel comfortable?

lmao the mentality of the 1% is spreading
Make half a million to feel rich, its just over 200k to be comfortable.

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FlyEaglesFly24
07/07/23 12:15:50 PM
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Between the two of us, my wife and I make about 140k a year.

And its not enough. We have one kid, we own a home, two cars, and we try to save as much as we can but with bills and home improvements and student loan debt, I mean its like we live month to month more than we should. And we got lucky. We bought the house when interest rates were in the 2s, and Im only twelve months away from loan forgiveness, but Jesus Christ, the cost of formula and diapers today needs to be a crime against humanity.

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GunmaN1905
07/07/23 12:19:09 PM
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What's even comfortable for you guys?

I'm not from the US and the numbers are different, but for me it would be having enough savings not to worry about bills even if I got fired and had no income.

Like two week-long trips per year as a vacation aren't mandatory, but should definitely be in there.
I don't have expensive hobbies, other than timely PC upgrades to keep up with the new games.
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ejolson
07/07/23 12:19:18 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Between the two of us, my wife and I make about 140k a year.

And its not enough. We have one kid, we own a home, two cars, and we try to save as much as we can but with bills and home improvements and student loan debt, I mean its like we live month to month more than we should. And we got lucky. We bought the house when interest rates were in the 2s, and Im only twelve months away from loan forgiveness, but Jesus Christ, the cost of formula and diapers today needs to be a crime against humanity.

This, all damn day, this. We only have one car with all the other debt and home stuff we need to do I live pay check to pay check and I have a damn good, secure career. It is an absolute travesty. Student debt relief would have helped tremendously but we saw how that went.

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Gritty
07/07/23 12:20:37 PM
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COVxy posted...
I expect people to have some understanding of their own society.
Ugh. Toxic mindset
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ejolson
07/07/23 12:22:00 PM
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Gritty posted...
Ugh. Toxic mindset
An understanding of society is important but this his take is BS and he obviously, either, does not have any real adult responsibilities or duties or is independently wealthy and has all his desires met without having to lift a finger.

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hockeybub89
07/07/23 12:26:08 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I'm pretty sure reality shows both are true

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Avirosb
07/07/23 12:26:50 PM
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Richest country in the world still not rich enough (that would be socialism)

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COVxy
07/07/23 12:27:17 PM
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I think railing against the 1% when your goals are to be minimum 3%, optimally 1%, might mean you need a little bit of perspective. But damn, call me pretentious.

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bluezero
07/07/23 12:27:51 PM
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GunmaN1905 posted...
Like two week-long trips per year as a vacation aren't mandatory, but should definitely be in there.
I haven't been on a vacation for 22 years.

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Avirosb
07/07/23 12:30:04 PM
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Gritty posted...
Ugh. Toxic mindset
This.

Never expect things of people. It's the first step on the road to disappointment.

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GunmaN1905
07/07/23 12:30:46 PM
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bluezero posted...
I haven't been on a vacation for 22 years.

That sucks, I just find it ridiculous how little days off most people in the US get.

Maybe the internet overexaggerates things like not being able to get a day off when a family member is in hospital or even when you're sick, but I still find it unbelievable that people have to put in so much hours for such low return in most regular jobs.
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COVxy
07/07/23 12:30:59 PM
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I mean, this topic obviously was a quick throw away while i was on the crapper and passed that ridiculous headline.

But if we want to be real and serious, people's misperception of the income and wealth distributions, largely driven by people assessing wealth relatively, and usually to those they see doing better than themselves, is a real serious problem that leads to a misinformed electorate and a poverty class that is continuously left behind.

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Tyranthraxus
07/07/23 12:31:25 PM
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COVxy posted...
I think railing against the 1% when your goals are to be minimum 3%, optimally 1%, might mean you need a little bit of perspective. But damn, call me pretentious.
The perspective people should have here is that income inequality is out of control. Not that the middle class is "asking for too much"

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ejolson
07/07/23 12:32:24 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The perspective people should have here is that income inequality is out of control. Not that the middle class is "asking for too much"

Yep, but like I said, guy has no real perspective here, obviously.

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Antifar
07/07/23 12:32:49 PM
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This is like when you ask a presidential candidate to define the middle class and they say anybody making less than $400k.

Weird country we have going on here.

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Avirosb
07/07/23 12:33:24 PM
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Temporarily embarrassed millionaires would never speak ill of the one percentage.

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ArtiRock
07/07/23 12:33:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The perspective people should have here is that income inequality is out of control. Not that the middle class is "asking for too much"
This. What they ask for is to allow themselves the ability to buy things that are larger purchases without having to take out loans and also so they don't live with the constant threat of medical bills over their heads.

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emblem-man
07/07/23 12:36:24 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Between the two of us, my wife and I make about 140k a year.

And its not enough. We have one kid, we own a home, two cars, and we try to save as much as we can but with bills and home improvements and student loan debt, I mean its like we live month to month more than we should. And we got lucky. We bought the house when interest rates were in the 2s, and Im only twelve months away from loan forgiveness, but Jesus Christ, the cost of formula and diapers today needs to be a crime against humanity.

My wife kinda feels similar but I just remind her that once the kid is out of daycare and the car is paid off, that itself will act as a large windfall of money, just gotta push through till then.

And home improvements are pretty luxurious so we shouldn't feel broke if we still feel comfortable enough to be doing them.

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ejolson
07/07/23 12:36:28 PM
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ArtiRock posted...
This. What they ask for is to allow themselves the ability to buy things that are larger purchases without having to take out loans and also so they don't live with the constant threat of medical bills over their heads.
Yep, and then the refrain from some is, get a better job or spend less, its like, um, I have a good job that pays well and we don't go crazy with spending, Ish just costs too damn much and corporations are putting things farther and farther out of reach of ordinary, middle class citizens to cater to the obscenely wealthy.

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tankboy
07/07/23 12:38:51 PM
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Aside from the obvious fact that cost of living varies, what's "comfortable"? Being able to feed and house yourself? Being able to set your own schedule? Being able to support two kids with both spouses working? With one spouse working? What about being able to gain perspective by seeing the world? Or what if I just need to relax? What about private secular education for my kids? What about not having to worry about medical expenses? What if I don't want my children or grandchildren to struggle? What if I'd rather spend my time making art or in charitable endeavors instead of working?

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ai123
07/07/23 12:40:03 PM
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I would need a shit ton of money before I felt comfortable living in a country with no Universal Healthcare.

'Comfortable' is mainly decided by income, but other factors matter too: job security, access to housing, social safety nets, support for families, educational provision etc.

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emblem-man
07/07/23 12:42:08 PM
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I think it's more that if feeling comfortable requires you to be making 200k+, but the median is in the 50's, then there's some disconnect in those 2 numbers. Are we all defining "comfortable" differently?

Comfortable to me is saving enough money where I can retire at like 45, but I know that's not a realistic definition of comfortable because most people, including me, in the US just don't make the kind of income to achieve that. And it's probably not healthy for me to have such unrealistic expectations of what "comfortable" is.

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COVxy
07/07/23 12:42:16 PM
#48:


ejolson posted...
obscenely wealthy

If you make as much as people say will make them comfortable, you would make more money than 97% of the citizens in your country. When does obscene kick in?

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Takuya_Lee
07/07/23 12:43:40 PM
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tankboy posted...
Aside from the obvious fact that cost of living varies, what's "comfortable"? Being able to feed and house yourself? Being able to set your own schedule? Being able to support two kids with both spouses working? With one spouse working? What about being able to gain perspective by seeing the world? Or what if I just need to relax? What about private secular education for my kids? What about not having to worry about medical expenses? What if I don't want my children or grandchildren to struggle? What if I'd rather spend my time making art or in charitable endeavors instead of working?

I agree with those questions. Also is this assuming people have debt from education? Being comfortable depends on the person and the lifestyle. Someone who doesn't go out much and has no college debt will be able to be comfortable at a lower salary.

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TheGoldenEel
07/07/23 12:48:29 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The perspective people should have here is that income inequality is out of control. Not that the middle class is "asking for too much"
This

i dont even think $200k to feel financially secure with a family is that outlandish in todays economy, especially if you live in a city

theres a difference between able to get by and financially comfortable imo

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