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jefffan
06/24/23 3:42:06 AM
#252:


^ Correct. Rostov is currently the logistical hub for the entire Russian Army in Southern Ukraine. Because he holds it no supplies can get through to the Army.

And because 90% of the actual Russian Army is currently in Ukraine he can't easily call up forces to defend Moscow. If he does, it'll allow Ukraine to take back territory easily depending on where they're called back from. Some of these forces may be sympathetic to Prig anyway (and have already switched), so the more forces he calls back, the more people that could potentially switch sides.

Russian leadership is in the muck right now. And there aren't easy decisions to be made to get out.

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/23 3:44:31 AM
#253:


jefffan posted...
^ Correct. Rostov is currently the logistical hub for the entire Russian Army in Southern Ukraine. Because he holds it no supplies can get through to the Army.
I do not think he is on Ukraine's side. He is just trying to take over operations for himself.

I suspect NATO might get involved.

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Gobstoppers12
06/24/23 3:45:30 AM
#254:


Holy fucking shit this is so crazy.

Yet...also...I feel like this was the inevitable ending from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. Someone was going to get angry about it. Somebody was going to take advantage of Russia being spread thin and drastically weakened by the fighting.

I didn't expect it to be Russia's own on-call PMC, but I'll take what I can get. Whoever had "Putin's soldiers turn on him en masse because of his horrific management of the Ukraine war" on their 2023 Bingo card is looking mighty confident right now.

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Sir_Will
06/24/23 3:46:28 AM
#255:


Snakethief posted...
2021: The russian army is 2nd in the world!
2022: The russian army is 2nd in Ukraine!
2023: The russian army is 2nd in russia!
That is fucking hilarious.

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/23 3:47:12 AM
#256:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Holy fucking shit this is so crazy.

Yet...also...I feel like this was the inevitable ending from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. Someone was going to get angry about it. Somebody was going to take advantage of Russia being spread thin and drastically weakened by the fighting.

I didn't expect it to be Russia's own on-call PMC, but I'll take what I can get. Whoever had "Putin's soldiers turn on him en masse because of his horrific management of the Ukraine war" on their 2023 Bingo card is looking mighty confident right now.

I'd called a coup when it first started but Wagner was absolutely not what I had in mind. I was thinking something more like what happened to Julius Caesar.

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megamanfreakXD
06/24/23 3:54:02 AM
#257:


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Hornezz
06/24/23 3:58:03 AM
#258:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I was thinking something more like what happened to Julius Caesar.
The parallel still works, except it's Prigozhin as Caesar just before the civil war

- Was out fighting a war on the state's behalf
- With an army loyal to him personally
- The state calls for his arrest
- Marches his experienced troops towards the capital

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 3:58:50 AM
#259:


https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1672505160990437376

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Thompson
06/24/23 3:59:15 AM
#260:


This is as close as it gets to Wagner PMC officially stating that their mission is to depose Putin.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672511322083270659

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Lillymon
06/24/23 4:02:53 AM
#261:


Thompson posted...
This is as close as it gets to Wagner PMC officially stating that their mission is to depose Putin.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672511322083270659
I wonder how many open windows there are in the Kremlin...

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chaos_knight
06/24/23 4:06:32 AM
#262:


If Putin wishes to survive this at all, he needs to basically cede everything in Ukraine and go scorched earth on Wagner at this point. But it might already be too late.

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TheHorus
06/24/23 4:08:50 AM
#263:


chaos_knight posted...
If Putin wishes to survive this at all, he needs to basically cede everything in Ukraine and go scorched earth on Wagner at this point. But it might already be too late.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/2/AAde2jAAEmMK.jpg

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/23 4:09:51 AM
#264:


chaos_knight posted...
If Putin wishes to survive this at all, he needs to basically cede everything in Ukraine and go scorched earth on Wagner at this point. But it might already be too late.
I don't think so. Putin might do something horrible to stop Wagner though. I could see him dropping white phosphorus on them. They'd be demoralized and break. "But war crimes" hasn't had any effect on Putin yet.

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Trelve
06/24/23 4:10:58 AM
#265:


>give a psychopath a bunch of armed criminals and they betray you
How could this happen?
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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 4:14:13 AM
#266:


https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1672492171880964097

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 4:22:01 AM
#267:


https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672518922493386754

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Zephyrus
06/24/23 4:25:02 AM
#268:


Russia: *war breaks out in own territory*

Street Cleaners:
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672452358658306049
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1672447685742280704


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Hornezz
06/24/23 4:33:02 AM
#269:


Maybe Putin should just hand over Rostov and Voronezh oblasts to Wagner. You know, to keep the peace.

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jefffan
06/24/23 4:35:34 AM
#270:


Wagner may have the military. But what does the average Russian citizen want. They've been supporting Putin this entire time, but are they ready for a new direction?

Prig's answer to Putin's address was spot on. Going to be interesting to see how this shapes up this week.

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 4:36:24 AM
#271:


https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672520805576499207

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Karovorak
06/24/23 4:39:27 AM
#272:


I never thought I would say that, but:

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 4:49:05 AM
#273:


https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672525261529554944

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 4:59:47 AM
#274:


https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672527924204015616

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Kibouno
06/24/23 5:08:54 AM
#275:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Holy fucking shit this is so crazy.

Yet...also...I feel like this was the inevitable ending from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. Someone was going to get angry about it. Somebody was going to take advantage of Russia being spread thin and drastically weakened by the fighting.

I didn't expect it to be Russia's own on-call PMC, but I'll take what I can get. Whoever had "Putin's soldiers turn on him en masse because of his horrific management of the Ukraine war" on their 2023 Bingo card is looking mighty confident right now.

Tyranthraxus posted...
I'd called a coup when it first started but Wagner was absolutely not what I had in mind. I was thinking something more like what happened to Julius Caesar.

Hornezz posted...
The parallel still works, except it's Prigozhin as Caesar just before the civil war

- Was out fighting a war on the state's behalf
- With an army loyal to him personally
- The state calls for his arrest
- Marches his experienced troops towards the capital
Yes. The Julius Caesar comparison with Vladimir Putin was made long ago and later on felt that Putin would face a similar situation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-s-power-stirs-russians-watching-julius-caesar-8351735.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1754559/vladimir-putin-caeser-moment-richard-dannatt/amp
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/102979/vladimir-putin-russian-rebel-uprising/amp
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/26/opinion/russia-putin-ukraine-wagner.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/03/vladimir-putin-julius-caesar-kremlin/
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-invasion-assassination-overthrow-1685204

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https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1672492171880964097
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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 5:16:49 AM
#276:


https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672529633437204481

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 5:24:46 AM
#277:


https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672535730403389440

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Thompson
06/24/23 5:26:41 AM
#278:


Have seen helis and fighter planes shot down by Ukraine, but this is a big Russian transport plane allegedly shot down by Wagner.
https://twitter.com/cossackgundi/status/1672528664267743232

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MabusIncarnate
06/24/23 5:27:09 AM
#279:


I've stuck with this topic for a long time but rarely reply, just wanted to thank you for the frequent updates and information TC and the rest of you contributing.

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Flaming_Fire619
06/24/23 5:31:13 AM
#280:


If Prigo is starting to or able to shoot down aircraft and has secured the major supply route for Southern Ukraine...this actually is gonna be concerning for Putin. And I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

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Slayer_22
06/24/23 5:33:04 AM
#281:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672529633437204481
Nice, now he can lose some of his generals to Russian PMCs now.

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Hornezz
06/24/23 5:33:51 AM
#282:


More footage of Wagner SAMs on the move near Voronezh

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672532120206471169

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jefffan
06/24/23 5:44:53 AM
#283:


https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672536382600880129?cxt=HHwWgoC97c--hbYuAAAA

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672538268217364480?cxt=HHwWgMC-5bCshrYuAAAA
ohh boy its going down today.

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Hornezz
06/24/23 6:03:30 AM
#284:


The site is useful, aggregating news articles and placing them on the map:

https://liveuamap.com/

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 6:07:15 AM
#285:


https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672544361916030976

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ROBANN_88
06/24/23 6:10:12 AM
#286:


I hope they go and burn down the Kremlin, with themselves and Putin in it

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 6:10:36 AM
#287:


https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672542494469365762

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 6:11:25 AM
#288:


https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672543429832896512

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Humble_Novice
06/24/23 6:15:49 AM
#289:


https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672547347803381761

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Zephyrus
06/24/23 6:17:19 AM
#290:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672542494469365762

Damn. Maybe Putin would really get sealed up in an elevator with Dolfy/Mein Failre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3sUgj5DVGc

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Hornezz
06/24/23 6:18:03 AM
#291:


Russian air force bombing their own fuel depot in Voronezh so doesn't end up in Wagner hands

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672544622801997828

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ThePieReborn
06/24/23 6:41:21 AM
#292:


What in the absolute fuck did I wake up to.

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tremain07
06/24/23 6:43:48 AM
#293:


It's coup time, get fucked Putin, I wonder if he'll go out like Saddam or Gadafee

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ROBANN_88
06/24/23 6:43:51 AM
#294:


ThePieReborn posted...
What in the absolute fuck did I wake up to.

The second Russian revolution, but without the communism bits

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havean776
06/24/23 6:44:43 AM
#295:


ThePieReborn posted...
What in the absolute fuck did I wake up to.
You think that's bad. Imagine how Putin feels this morning.

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tremain07
06/24/23 6:46:03 AM
#296:


I legit wonder how this will affect the world stage,by that I mean China and the US. Oh man, what if China will turn on Putin and help Wagner?

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whitelytning
06/24/23 6:49:56 AM
#297:


ThePieReborn posted...
What in the absolute fuck did I wake up to.

This. lol

I cant tell how much of a legitimate threat Wagner really poses. It seems like its obviously not good for Russian stability or their war effort in Ukraine but Im not sure there is a real threat of a coup or attempt to march on Moscow.

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VFalcone
06/24/23 6:51:20 AM
#298:


Goddamn what a time to be alive. This is is history
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Trelve
06/24/23 6:51:59 AM
#299:


tremain07 posted...
I legit wonder how this will affect the world stage,by that I mean China and the US. Oh man, what if China will turn on Putin and help Wagner?
It would be bad for the world if the Russian state collapses considering they have 4,000 nuclear weapons. The best situation is that Putin steps down out of a window and a new leader of Russia emerges and withdraws from Ukraine.
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havean776
06/24/23 6:53:22 AM
#300:


whitelytning posted...
This. lol

I cant tell how much of a legitimate threat Wagner really poses. It seems like its obviously not good for Russian stability or their war effort in Ukraine but Im not sure there is a real threat of a coup or attempt to march on Moscow.
I mean they wouldn't go ahead unless they felt they could win. They are also much more competent than Putin's army.

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Sahel
06/24/23 7:00:05 AM
#301:


megamanfreakXD posted...
Putin should go back to playing age of empires
Or Command & Conquer. Then again, the infighting of the Soviet Union such as in Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 may hit too close to home.

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