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JKwaffle
08/22/23 11:02:10 AM
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mehmeh1
08/22/23 11:09:41 AM
#152:


Crazyman93 posted...
Honestly, this isn't even the worst he gets up to where I've seen in Dresrossa. Punk Hazzard is. And that's what you're going to see next. It's so fucking obnoxious and is almost painful to sit through. Literally painful. Like, it was the first time I felt embarrassed watching One Piece. It was already metaphorically painful.

That's fair. And if anyone is following where they're at currently in the Anime, I feel like Oda really threw it in and just pulled out a pair of really cliche Shonen Tropes when he wrote himself into a corner during Luffy's fight with Kaido. It was like Goku going Super Sayian for the first time. Except back when DBZ was first in the States, every Shonen didn't seem to inevitably do that.

I haven't looked closely at it, but I'd also say the Anime is trying to pad runtime, because the New World does end up getting more filler than the Pre-Time Skip stuff, I think they were trying to lessen the danger of catching up so they didn't have to go to super extremes with filler (see Bleach, aka, the one that actually threw a filler arc in the middle of a fight), and they were already doing a chapter an episode before that.
I'd take endless filler arcs over making the canon material worse

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Crazyman93
08/22/23 9:36:50 PM
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mehmeh1 posted...
I'd take endless filler arcs over making the canon material worse
I mean, to some point I agree, especially since most of One Piece's early filler wasn't actually terrible, and they also slipped plot details into it. But I'd feel different if it hit that 60-40 ratio Bleach made it to.

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JKwaffle
08/24/23 5:32:01 PM
#154:


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krazychao5
08/25/23 9:36:48 AM
#155:


lmao this is gold

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krazychao5
08/25/23 3:33:23 PM
#156:


OP even giving some of hte more redic villains depressing backstories too. like senor pink who started wearing baby clothes cause his wife became comatose and would smile when he wore the clothes their baby had worn. like damn...fuck...it's brutal but also still kinda funny he kept that fit going.

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rwbonesy
08/26/23 2:10:44 AM
#157:


the flanderization of sanji infuriates me

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comicfire
08/27/23 12:42:00 AM
#158:


Crazyman93 posted...
I mean, to some point I agree, especially since most of One Piece's early filler wasn't actually terrible, and they also slipped plot details into it. But I'd feel different if it hit that 60-40 ratio Bleach made it to.

I think I'd honestly be more into that scenario. Watching weekly would suck, but recommending it to newbies would be so much easier knowing the canon stuff was paced well instead of the trainwreck it can be sometimes currently

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JKwaffle
08/28/23 12:05:40 PM
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Wrapping up Fish Man Island now, and man, gotta say, coming off of Impel Down/Marineford, that was kinda disappointing.

There were still some cool ideas, themes, and moments, but overall, the villains were lame and weak, I think this arc had probably the weakest fights yet as a whole, Sanji went from just being the worst Straw Hat to being a character I legit kinda hate, and frankly I felt like they really squandered the deep underwater setting. We're thousands of leagues under the sea but.. sure, there's constant sunshine in most of the area and super easy air access anyways cause why not.

I'm still all in on One Piece, but yeah... I think this was by far my least favorite arc yet.

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mehmeh1
08/28/23 12:14:05 PM
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Yeah that's a common sentiment. Next arc isn't too popular either but it has some cool stuff. The arc afterwards is great but it's also the arc where the anime is at its absolute lowest, sure maybe not as many low points pacing-wise as Wano but the animation is legit terrible

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Crazyman93
08/29/23 4:09:15 AM
#161:


JKwaffle posted...
Sanji went from just being the worst Straw Hat to being a character I legit kinda hate,
It gets worse in Punk Hazzard. I think you'll be able to see the exact point where I said "I hope this motherfucker gets killed off for Drama."

JKwaffle posted...
and frankly I felt like they really squandered the deep underwater setting. We're thousands of leagues under the sea but.. sure, there's constant sunshine in most of the area and super easy air access anyways cause why not.
Honestly, the worst part for me was that it did nothing with the fact that there were Devil Fruit users in the crew. Under. Water. The Sea hates Devil Fruit powers. I'd ahve expected something more with that.

Instead we got a Fishman who for some reason was dumb enough at some point to eat one. Despite all the reasons why that's a stupid idea unless he planned to live on land.

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JKwaffle
08/30/23 2:06:46 AM
#162:


Bump, just met the Neo Navy, wtf.

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JKwaffle
08/31/23 12:10:04 PM
#163:


Gonna be at a con this weekend so probably won't be watching much, but will try to keep this bumped

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krazychao5
08/31/23 2:41:56 PM
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what con?

also netflix OP is out today; gonna give an ep or two a watch tonight

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JKwaffle
09/01/23 8:52:56 PM
#165:


Bump.

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JKwaffle
09/02/23 12:38:47 PM
#166:


Bump; excited to watch the live action show soon

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JKwaffle
09/02/23 3:01:58 PM
#167:


krazychao5 posted...
what con?

also netflix OP is out today; gonna give an ep or two a watch tonight
missed this, but Dragoncon. I try to go every year if I'm able.

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yusiko
09/02/23 11:33:04 PM
#168:


the live action show has been massively successful it seems
i plan to watch an episode a day of it instead of binging it all at once
but so far the only thing i really disliked about it was coby

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JKwaffle
09/03/23 1:00:19 AM
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yusiko posted...
the live action show has been massively successful it seems
i plan to watch an episode a day of it instead of binging it all at once
but so far the only thing i really disliked about it was coby
Shit, hot take, but Ive never liked Coby, and still dont where Im currently at.

Marineford was the only time hes had an even kinda cool moment so far IMO

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Quezovercoatl
09/03/23 3:55:50 PM
#170:


Yeah tbh Coby being annoying is a thing a lot of people thought in the original too lol

I like him though
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Prismsblade
09/03/23 4:07:20 PM
#171:


Sanji just like Zoro are mostly irrelevant post time skip. With neither getting into a major battle until Wana. With Sanji being especially bad. No clue why but I thought the series as a whole was downhill until then.

Hell even luffys fights by then were boring to watch.

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JKwaffle
09/05/23 1:53:23 AM
#172:


Back from my con, gonna try to get some watch time in.

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JKwaffle
09/07/23 12:38:20 PM
#173:


Did they just completely forget they already had a dragon earlier? Like, I know it was in a filler arc but even still.

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mehmeh1
09/07/23 1:42:19 PM
#174:


JKwaffle posted...
Did they just completely forget they already had a dragon earlier? Like, I know it was in a filler arc but even still.
Good ole canon-filler contradiction issues

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Quezovercoatl
09/08/23 4:18:54 AM
#175:


JKwaffle posted...
Did they just completely forget they already had a dragon earlier? Like, I know it was in a filler arc but even still.
Oda doesn't care what the filler did is the real answer.
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JKwaffle
09/08/23 1:48:53 PM
#176:


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JKwaffle
09/09/23 10:16:58 AM
#177:


Punk Hazard is interesting so far. I do like that they seem to be focusing on mythical creatures a lot so far, and the Icy Hot island aesthetic is fun.

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JKwaffle
09/09/23 6:50:05 PM
#178:


This Smoker vs Law fight is pretty dope

Also Laws power is bat shit crazy, I love it.

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JKwaffle
09/09/23 9:17:59 PM
#179:


Annnnnd were back to Sanji being a disgusting creep with this body swap situation. :/

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JKwaffle
09/10/23 3:01:03 AM
#180:


Oh shit; was not expecting them to have kids getting secretly addicted to drugs and then go through massive withdrawals, jesus this arc got dark quick.

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Quezovercoatl
09/10/23 2:49:37 PM
#181:


JKwaffle posted...
Annnnnd were back to Sanji being a disgusting creep with this body swap situation. :/
I can't imagine how much worse it gets in the dragged out anime
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Crazyman93
09/11/23 6:06:58 AM
#182:


JKwaffle posted...
Annnnnd were back to Sanji being a disgusting creep with this body swap situation. :/
That's what did it for me. That's where I realized I couldn't stand Sanji and thought he was irredeemable.

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JKwaffle
09/11/23 1:05:56 PM
#183:


Crazyman93 posted...
That's what did it for me. That's where I realized I couldn't stand Sanji and thought he was irredeemable.
Ive already hated him for a while now (as Im sure everyone knows at this point), but the last 4 arcs hes just gotten worse and worse, to the point where I straight up dont even want him on the crew anymore.

Thriller Bark: Was pissed that the other creep got the invisibility Devil Fruit because HE wanted it so he could creep on women.

Where the friends are/during the 2 year time skip: Confirms that Sanji is transphobic, and the fact that his entire training arc was running away from trans people was real fucked up.

Fishman Island: Literally got the team caught at one point because he couldnt control himself while being a giant creep to the mermaids. Also more transphobia.

And now this with how absolutely vile and disgusting hes being while in Namis body. Im so over Sanji.

Still love the show, but I gotta be real, Id like it a lot more if Sanji wasnt around.

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JKwaffle
09/11/23 7:20:30 PM
#184:


Lmao, Law instantly regretting asking Luffy for an alliance is fucking fantastic.

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mehmeh1
09/11/23 7:22:07 PM
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If it makes it any better IIRC Sanji didn't kick anyone at Kamabakka Kingdom (at least in the manga), so he does at least recognize them as women

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Crazyman93
09/12/23 1:46:47 AM
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JKwaffle posted...
Lmao, Law instantly regretting asking Luffy for an alliance is fucking fantastic.
Basically his entire relationship with Luffy seems to amount to "this guy is a fucking moron... But somehow that works in his favor..."

mehmeh1 posted...
If it makes it any better IIRC Sanji didn't kick anyone at Kamabakka Kingdom (at least in the manga), so he does at least recognize them as women
Sort of like how he refuses to admit he met a Mermaid before Kami because of just how fucking ugly the one he met first was.

I do wonder if there's something about the Kamabaka Kingdom that isn't translating to English/Western Culture though.

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Vegy
09/12/23 6:21:33 AM
#187:


mehmeh1 posted...
If it makes it any better IIRC Sanji didn't kick anyone at Kamabakka Kingdom (at least in the manga), so he does at least recognize them as women

No one ever asks why dey were chasing sanji either lol

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/12/23 6:23:24 AM
#188:


bruh, im at Fishman Island arc rn and i swear, Sanji nosebleeding every 5 minutes whenever he sees a hot chick always makes me lol.
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Crazyman93
09/12/23 6:30:56 AM
#189:


Vegy posted...
No one ever asks why dey were chasing sanji either lol
I mean... There is that. If it was supposed to be some Karmic Hell for Sanji after all his shit, that would be fine. If he fucking learned anything from it.

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NatsuSama
09/12/23 9:55:52 AM
#190:


JKwaffle posted...
Ive already hated him for a while now (as Im sure everyone knows at this point), but the last 4 arcs hes just gotten worse and worse, to the point where I straight up dont even want him on the crew anymore.

Thriller Bark: Was pissed that the other creep got the invisibility Devil Fruit because HE wanted it so he could creep on women.

Where the friends are/during the 2 year time skip: Confirms that Sanji is transphobic, and the fact that his entire training arc was running away from trans people was real fucked up.

Fishman Island: Literally got the team caught at one point because he couldnt control himself while being a giant creep to the mermaids. Also more transphobia.

And now this with how absolutely vile and disgusting hes being while in Namis body. Im so over Sanji.

Still love the show, but I gotta be real, Id like it a lot more if Sanji wasnt around.
All of this is precisely why when I did watch One Piece, Sanji quickly rose to the worse crew member imo. His gimmick of being a creepy simp just got worse and worse with no character growth beyond power ups.

Use to hate Usopp the most, but he honestly mellowed out after he was humbled during Ennies Lobby.

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JKwaffle
09/13/23 8:36:20 AM
#191:


NatsuSama posted...
All of this is precisely why when I did watch One Piece, Sanji quickly rose to the worse crew member imo. His gimmick of being a creepy simp just got worse and worse with no character growth beyond power ups.

Use to hate Usopp the most, but he honestly mellowed out after he was humbled during Ennies Lobby.
Ussop is still probably relatively low in my crew ranking, but I will admit, hes the crew member that has probably had the most character growth/development. Water 7/Ennis Lobby was a big low point for Ussop, but he actually learned his lesson from it. Im at least glad that hes still a part of the crew, which is a lot more than I can say for Sanji.

Plus we got Soge King out of it, which single handedly is the greatest thing Ussop has ever done.

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JKwaffle
09/14/23 12:35:49 AM
#192:


Bump

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JKwaffle
09/15/23 10:56:15 AM
#193:


Think Im getting relatively close to finishing Punk Hazard.

Overall this has been a pretty solid arc; definitely a big improvement over Fishman Island.

I like how dark this arc got; Getting kids addicted to drugs, weapons and of mass destruction, human test subjects. Shits been wild. Caesar Clown is a bat shit crazy villain too. Glad to see a villain thats actually at least somewhat a threat to Luffy and crew, since Hordy was just kinda there last arc.


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mehmeh1
09/15/23 11:29:52 AM
#194:


fun fact, people wanted caesar for the crew

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JKwaffle
09/15/23 12:22:56 PM
#195:


mehmeh1 posted...
fun fact, people wanted caesar for the crew
Wtf, no way. Why? Unless something drastic changes in the next few episodes, Caeser is straight up full force fucking evil. Great for a villain, but why the fuck would anyone want him in the crew?

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yusiko
09/15/23 12:24:37 PM
#196:


ithe live action show got renewed for a second season
im excited as that means we get live action chopper and vivi

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JKwaffle
09/15/23 12:27:49 PM
#197:


yusiko posted...
ithe live action show got renewed for a second season
im excited as that means we get live action chopper and vivi
Noice. I still need to watch the first season; Ive heard its great, just havent had a chance to sit down and watch it yet.

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TMOG
09/15/23 12:45:08 PM
#198:


The main problem with Fishman Island was that Hody and his crew are so fucking forgettable and unnecessary. I legitimately don't remember what their motivations were.

The backstory that was given during the arc was really good worldbuilding, but it really hurts the arc when the antagonist faction is literally only there to be jobbers so the main characters can show off their timeskip abilities.

IMO the arc would have been much stronger if there wasn't a villain at all. Make it shorter, give the necessary lore, set up the Straw Hat/Big Mom rivalry, and move on to Punk Hazard and let the crew show their new goodies off there instead.
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JKwaffle
09/15/23 12:49:04 PM
#199:


TMOG posted...
The main problem with Fishman Island was that Hody and his crew are so fucking forgettable and unnecessary. I legitimately don't remember what their motivations were.

The backstory that was given during the arc was really good worldbuilding, but it really hurts the arc when the antagonist faction is literally only there to be jobbers so the main characters can show off their timeskip abilities.

IMO the arc would have been much stronger if there wasn't a villain at all. Make it shorter, give the necessary lore, set up the Straw Hat/Big Mom rivalry, and move on to Punk Hazard and let the crew show their new goodies off there instead.
IIRC the big reveal of Hordys motivation was that there wasnt any motivation. It was pretty dumb tbh

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krazychao5
09/15/23 6:52:47 PM
#200:


isn't his motivation just fuck the humans, cause they fucked over fishmen? seems pretty cut and dry

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