Board 8 > PlayStation Showcase Wednesday May 24 4PM Eastern

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foolm0r0n
05/24/23 8:51:46 PM
#152:


Xiahou_Shake posted...
They showed literally nothing, how could it look like anything lol
uh, with visuals?

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Sorozone
05/24/23 9:06:09 PM
#153:


Just watched this, it was ok. Dragons Dogma 2 is the only thing that got me hyped.

foolm0r0n posted...
uh, with visuals?

I agree with this. Whatever they were using looked goofy. Big Boss looked straight up goofy.

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paperwarior
05/24/23 9:56:12 PM
#154:


UshiromiyaEva posted...


But then we see what Platinum is like now with Bayo3 being a mess.

The game doesn't look all that interesting but maybe they actually made the right call.
Okay, this is a you problem.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/24/23 10:21:33 PM
#155:


My dude you are living in a bubble if you don't think people had a ton of problems with Bayo3, and not just in the story department.

A lot of the stages in that game are BAD. The gameplay for all the non Bayo characters is BAD.

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paperwarior
05/24/23 10:41:46 PM
#156:


I'm not living in a bubble. It runs badly on Switch, and I saw the endless string of Youtube videos complaining that the story wasn't exactly how some people wanted. Other than that, no, not everyone else hated it or gave up Platinum because of it, and it's strange to assume that's the case.

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MacArrowny
05/24/23 11:08:18 PM
#157:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
My dude you are living in a bubble if you don't think people had a ton of problems with Bayo3, and not just in the story department.

A lot of the stages in that game are BAD. The gameplay for all the non Bayo characters is BAD.
And you are living in a Twitter bubble if you think most people hated it

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UshiromiyaEva
05/24/23 11:10:28 PM
#158:


I didn't say everyone else hated it, I said a bunch of people had problems and were disappointed.

After taking so long to release, people were not expecting Bayo 3 to be easily the worst one in the series.

Which, mind you, says more about how good those games were than anything.

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SHINE_GET_64
05/24/23 11:29:10 PM
#159:


Konami put out some press releases

Metal gear solid master collection will also include both MSX games and the VR missions

MGS Triangle will be a faithful remake and have the original voice cast

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paperwarior
05/24/23 11:41:31 PM
#160:


I was really just reacting to the idea of "We all saw how Bayo 3 turned out" as though it's some kind of unanimous response like Babylon's Fall.

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SHINE_GET_64
05/24/23 11:44:11 PM
#161:


Bayo 3 made my top 10 last year

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UshiromiyaEva
05/24/23 11:47:17 PM
#162:


Babylon Fall is low hanging fruit, though. There's a difference between Platinum phoning it in turning out a turd like they have often done, and Platinum putting out a middling product for their leading franchise.

Typically Platinum's A-game is best in class. Even when I don't like a game, like Astral Chain, it's still quite clear to me it's firing on all cylinders.

The last time I really felt that Platinum shine was Nier, though that still wasn't ALL there in the combat and I give most of the credit to people outside of Platinum, so I guess it's...whichever came first between Bayo 2 and Revengeance, either way almost a decade ago I think.

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paperwarior
05/24/23 11:54:02 PM
#163:


I don't think it's unanimous that Astral Chain or even Bayo 2 is better than 3. 2 has issues with being the same thing with incremental changes. 3 might flip the table over but I think it works. I wouldn't write off any of the three mentioned as middling.

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foolm0r0n
05/25/23 12:03:04 AM
#164:


Platinum has always been hit or miss, even the A team (although the misses are still pretty good). As they grew they started missing more, and the overall average going down. But as long as they have a wtf surprise like Nier or MGR every once in a while, they should be good.

What's weird is it seems like their own IPs are the hardest to get right. Bayo 1 is still their only original game that is truly great.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/25/23 12:15:10 AM
#165:


foolm0r0n posted...
Bayo 1 is still their only original game that is truly great.

I will die on the Anarchy Reigns hill. Was just released ahead of its time. Should have been a F2P PS4 game.

....Can't truly disagree otherwise though.

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foolm0r0n
05/25/23 12:28:04 AM
#166:


Never played that one but it did look legit

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UshiromiyaEva
05/25/23 12:32:41 AM
#167:


https://youtu.be/ypVii_9QDgQ

The anthem of my life.

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Xiahou_Shake
05/25/23 2:46:03 AM
#168:


paperwarior posted...
I don't think it's unanimous that Astral Chain or even Bayo 2 is better than 3.
3's story and tone are garbage but the gameplay is legit cool and the balance of the combat blasts Bayo 2 completely out of the water IMO. Miss me with all that reliance on awful Umbran Climax for basic juggling and even being able to hit score targets on time. Bayo 1 is still somehow their finest tuned game, though - honestly blown away how right they got that on their first try.

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MacArrowny
05/25/23 2:58:25 AM
#169:


Bayo 3 is best Bayo. So much fun.

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SHINE_GET_64
05/25/23 3:27:43 AM
#170:




Dan's face was my face

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/7/AAB6RfAAEgiX.jpg

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foolm0r0n
05/25/23 7:41:22 AM
#171:


Xiahou_Shake posted...
Bayo 1 is still somehow their finest tuned game, though - honestly blown away how right they got that on their first try.
Not really a surprise. They put a shit ton of time and effort into it, and if it failed the studio would've been done. They had to create the whole concept and characters and enemies and weapons and lore and everything from scratch, not to mention the tech. There's just so much more time they had to balance and polish combat.

Not that the sequels are a cash grab. But they certainly weren't risking the whole company's fate. And the whole point of sequels is to amortize the cost of developing a new IP (unless you're a psycho like Kojima)

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colliding
05/25/23 10:31:38 AM
#172:


Aside from Nier: Automata I think the only other Platinum game I really enjoyed was Astral Chain.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/25/23 12:46:13 PM
#173:


LightningStrikes posted...
Big highlights until now were:

New game from the Journey team


You mean the Flower team.

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MacArrowny
05/25/23 12:56:33 PM
#174:


Bayo 3 > Bayo 1 = Nier Automata > Revengeance > Bayo 2 > Astral Chain > Wonderful 101 > Vanquish > MadWorld

Think that's everything I've played from them. I hear Cereza and the Lost Demon is great, but I'm not that interested in it for some reason.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 1:26:55 AM
#175:


Was just reminded that they somehow managed to whitewash a white guy by changing the Peter Parker model in the first game to look like Tom Holland.

I doubt that will carry over to the new game but it's still just so funny that it happened.

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MacArrowny
05/26/23 1:33:13 AM
#176:


Doesn't the new model look more like Andrew Garfield?

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 1:37:37 AM
#177:


Looked it up and the new model doesn't really look like anyone? It's...kind of a mesh between the original model and the pretend Tom Holland model.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/9/AAeolZAAEgtp.jpg

But the big issue was that Peter in the first game is already supposed to be a seasoned hero who has been doing this for like a decade, a potential mentor with a job and rent and an apartment, and he looked like that at launch, but they changed the model to look like Mr Baby face 16 year old for the rerelease and it was completely out of synch with the VA work.

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_PandaMaster_
05/26/23 1:41:48 AM
#178:


https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/05/ps-showcase-demonstrated-sonys-efforts-to-offer-best-and-most-varied-catalog-of-games-jim-ryan-claims

The general sentiment surrounding yesterday's PlayStation Showcase is one of disappointment, but Jim Ryan is remaining positive about the show. In a press release, he says the livestream demonstrated Sony's "unwavering commitment to offering them [the fans] the best and most varied catalog of games possible".

His full quote reads: "Our fans expect and deserve a steady cadence of amazing content. Todays presentation demonstrates our unwavering commitment to offering them the best and most varied catalog of games possible. It also highlights the tremendous popularity and power of the PS5 as the global development community rallies to push its advanced capabilities to the limit. Were investing heavily in the future with innovative best-in-class hardware like PlayStation VR2 and the newly revealed Project Q, and our expansion into PC, Mobile, and Live Service gaming is transforming how and where our content can be enjoyed."



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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 1:48:04 AM
#179:


Everything in that last sentence is suffering.

A big problem with the show for me was so much of the trailers felt like the ads that play BEFORE a press conference rather than in the conference itself. That MGS Delta trailer in particular was cut so strangely at the end, once the music starts playing it no longer feels like a big reveal and instead feels like something in front of a YouTube video. How do you cut off Snake Eater in the middle of a line??

Also so many CG trailers in general. A CG trailer can be fine if you've already shown the game before, but honestly I think any studio that releases a CG trailer with no actual game to show for it should be ashamed of themselves. Like, what the fuck was that Playstation Studios thing near the end? Fucking embarrasing.

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paperwarior
05/26/23 1:53:58 AM
#180:


Why is Project Q, anyway?

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colliding
05/26/23 11:31:28 AM
#181:


I mean that's just typical garbo corpo speak. obviously they're not going to come out and say "sorry for the mid show"

I feel like some tentpole games were meant to be there that just weren't ready/are in development hell. Maybe the KoTOR remake or the Quantic Dream Star Wars game? Did either of those get officially canceled? Maybe they had this scheduled to coincide with the Justice League game. Whatever the case it didn't feel like there was enough there to actually warrant a showcase.

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Sorozone
05/26/23 11:35:03 AM
#182:


The Kotor remake is in developmental hell, and being tossed around. I would be surprised if we get anything out of that.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 11:35:32 AM
#183:


I think there's less than a 10% chance either of those games ever comes out.

I also think Quantic Dreams will not release another game.

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MacArrowny
05/26/23 11:38:02 AM
#184:


colliding posted...
I mean that's just typical garbo corpo speak. obviously they're not going to come out and say "sorry for the mid show"

I feel like some tentpole games were meant to be there that just weren't ready/are in development hell. Maybe the KoTOR remake or the Quantic Dream Star Wars game? Did either of those get officially canceled? Maybe they had this scheduled to coincide with the Justice League game. Whatever the case it didn't feel like there was enough there to actually warrant a showcase.
The Quantic Dream Star Wars game was scheduled for 2027 I think. I doubt we'll see more of it for a while.

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foolm0r0n
05/26/23 12:16:27 PM
#185:


I thought the show was great as someone without expectations who is mildly thinking of buying a PS5. There's so many games they showed that I'd be interested in so it makes that decision easier.

What were people expecting? PS6 announce? Aisha Tyler laser tag?

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paperwarior
05/26/23 12:21:29 PM
#186:


I think was rough if you were expecting the stand-in for Sony's E3 keynote, but as a typical Nintendo Direct type thing, sure, it was okay.

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LightningStrikes
05/26/23 12:22:35 PM
#187:


I think expectations were a reasonable number of first party games, not just CG teasers, and context to what was being shown. I think all of these except for the three first party games are coming to Xbox, even Marathon is. I also think this place is not the big target audience for team shooters and that was a lot of team shooters.

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foolm0r0n
05/26/23 12:22:43 PM
#188:


But what did you really miss from the E3-style keynote? Did everyone forget how mid E3 got in the last 10 years?

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paperwarior
05/26/23 12:24:43 PM
#189:


It was kind of low on gameplay, honestly. Phantom Blade 0 and Spiderman stood out on that regard, and Spiderman was nearly just the gameplay from the previous games.

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LightningStrikes
05/26/23 12:31:17 PM
#190:


The thing is they have done three previous showcases and those were big events. The one where they announced the PS5, the one the same year where they revealed FFXVI and God of War Ragnorok then the one in 2021 where they revealed farther off games like Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine. They skipped last year. So this was marketed as that level of show and wasnt really that. It was more like a State of Play with Spider-Man stuck on the end of it.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 12:32:25 PM
#191:


foolm0r0n posted...
What were people expecting? PS6 announce? Aisha Tyler laser tag?

STAR RAIL PS5 RELEASE DATE IS ALL I CARE ABOUT

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paperwarior
05/26/23 1:09:21 PM
#192:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
STAR RAIL PS5 RELEASE DATE IS ALL I CARE ABOUT
This is the crux of it

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foolm0r0n
05/26/23 1:21:24 PM
#193:


heroin is cheaper and is out right now!

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/23 1:24:19 PM
#194:


I have to leave my house to get heroin.

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foolm0r0n
05/26/23 1:43:16 PM
#195:


That's actually not true. Maybe we need a Darkweb Showcase event

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colliding
05/27/23 12:06:56 AM
#196:


LightningStrikes posted...
The thing is they have done three previous showcases and those were big events. The one where they announced the PS5, the one the same year where they revealed FFXVI and God of War Ragnorok then the one in 2021 where they revealed farther off games like Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine. They skipped last year. So this was marketed as that level of show and wasnt really that. It was more like a State of Play with Spider-Man stuck on the end of it.

yeah, this essentially (to answer foolmo's question)

and I do also miss listening to game developers try to awkwardly give speeches / live demo games

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