Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 8: Deluxe Edition

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Also Wallz, you accidentally left Corrik out of your priority list, where would he slot in?

I'm not lynching town. I'm lynching scum. Sorry. I trust Sultan is pointed at the last scum. It's kinda obvious who it is.

Wallz made us mislynch death by not revealing his info. I'm still pissed about that, but whatever.

EDumey posted...

Also Wallz, you accidentally left Corrik out of your priority list, where would he slot in?

Hmmm. Sultan -> ctes -> Corrik depending on how stubborn he is with this sultan vote if sultan flips scum and ctes flips town -> marth/sbell

Corrik7 posted...

I'm not lynching town. I'm lynching scum. Sorry. I trust Sultan is pointed at the last scum. It's kinda obvious who it is.

Wallz made us mislynch death by not revealing his info. I'm still pissed about that, but whatever.

Yeah I definitely take credit for the death mislynch. I got sucked into Chris fake breadcrumbing doctor for a bit there and we are lucky as shit Dumey wasnt scum because they wouldve just killed me n2 and the info wouldve died with me. Lesson learned.

I'll share responsibility with Wallz on that. I agreed to trust the protection breadcrumbs. If anything, blame Peaf for not full claiming and telling us that Doctor was too much protection instead of hiding his info to try and outplay scum.

EDumey posted...

I'll share responsibility with Wallz on that. I agreed to trust the protection breadcrumbs. If anything, blame Peaf for not full claiming and telling us that Doctor was too much protection instead of hiding his info to try and outplay scum.

He was pretty open. He said over and over basically there wasn't a doctor. It's why I said peaf was it.

I just remember him saying that Commuter was a form of protection, so I must have missed it if he hinted strongly elsewhere. But no reason to argue about it. I said I'm willing to take the blame in getting Death mislynched.

Just waiting on Ctes to get here and be mad that I neighbored Peaf instead of him.

Check out the first page from t1, sultan and the only known scum who posted that early, Lopen. I think they had a plan to gain town equity by helping red, who they knew was town, and hoped to simultaneously special ulti. Lol

1.021 (Lopen) - That's an awesome role. Let's lynch someone as soon as possible maybe red will power up. I suggest Sultan. (Voted Sultan)

1.026 (Lopen) - Sultan who do you lynch today to power up red

1.031 (Sultan) - *Spins the wheel, lands on ulti*

1.035 (Lopen) - *votes ulti* Gogogo

1.036 (Sultan) - *votes ulti* why not. Could regret this lol

1.039 (Lopen) - Listen I am being completely serious.If you think red is town we should end day as soon as possible. I think red is town because I don't thinksdum [I dont think scum red would do a gambit like that] so we should just blitz shit. Cheat codes, man. We are using them to power up red

1.043 (Lopen) - Because a role like that probably has secret powers if we end day in less than 12 hours or 24 hours or something is what I'm thinking. It would be lame if it was just normal vanilla.

1.044 (Lopen) - Normal vanilla with "you die if b8 can't lynch fast" worst role

1.045 (Sultan) - No I agree not much to gain for a scum Red to claim this. I guess scum could always just shoot red or roleblock red anyways to avoid his power... So kinda dumb for town to do too...

(mzero votes for sultan)

1.047 (Sultan) - Oh really now!?
Kill it with Fire Lynch all lies! *votes mzero without unvoting for ulti*

Kill me ill shot ctes

UltimaterializerX posted...

I was the one guy who got off Death and sniffed something was up.

excuse me

Anyway I think we should test Sultan

##Vote: Sultan

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Kill me ill shot ctes

Sounds good thank you sultan

Why do we waste sultans utility on very likely outed mafia?

Just vote out ctes today no? If Sultan is town he is better off being lynched to clean the poe.

Because odds are good at least one of them is scum, and if were wrong about sultan we use his power on likely scum instead of a question mark. We will just lynch sultan after ctes anyway. This order makes the most sense by a mile.

Make no question these are the next two lynches we just get more value out of it if were wrong about sultan instead of rolling the dice on you vs sbell.

wallmasterz posted...

Because odds are good at least one of them is scum, and if were wrong about sultan we use his power on likely scum instead of a question mark. We will just lynch sultan after ctes anyway. This order makes the most sense by a mile.

Isn't ctes just outed by virtue of having been roleblocked and Chris' role not even existing?

I've gotten a lot wrong this game but I don't think my OOO is wrong here.

wallmasterz posted...

Make no question these are the next two lynches we just get more value out of it if were wrong about sultan instead of rolling the dice on you vs sbell.

wallmasterz posted...

Make no question these are the next two lynches we just get more value out of it if were wrong about sultan instead of rolling the dice on you vs sbell.

9 people alive and you are certain that the final 2 scum exist in a poe of 4 players Ctes, Sultan, Marth, Sbell?

wallmasterz posted...

Make no question these are the next two lynches we just get more value out of it if were wrong about sultan instead of rolling the dice on you vs sbell.

Why not lynch ctes today and then sort me and sbell with sultan?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Because if Sultan is town he just shoots ctes and we win anyway.

it's only 1 scum?

Has there been a mass yet? is there anyone we are still waiting on?

Can someone show a list of why X is town.

UnderUrMattress posted...

Why do we waste sultans utility on very likely outed mafia?

Just vote out ctes today no? If Sultan is town he is better off being lynched to clean the poe.

How is having Sultan take a random shot more utility than having him shoot someone we're very sure of as being scum?

If Sultan is town, it's best we test him sooner rather than later so we don't get ourselves in a weird MYLO situation. If we thought Sultan was town and had no reason to test him, then I'd argue against it. But after his relationship with Lopen and Chris, and the timing of his vote D4, I think there's enough suspicion that we would want to test him eventually. Why not now?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Selfishly, I want to see if my HEAT CHECK is on point. Plus I think you're town, so there's nothing to sort.

you've been wrong about pretty much everything so that should be fun.

Obellisk posted...

Has there been a mass yet? is there anyone we are still waiting on?

Can someone show a list of why X is town.

1) UltimaterializerX - ??
Considered probably town by a lot of people but not hard cleared.
2) MZero - Graverobber
Basically confirmed town now that the Red Watch has been resolved.
3) Corrik7 - ??
In the PoE
4) wallmasterz - Watcher
Basically confirmed town as he correctly reported on Death and Chris before they claimed their actions.
5) ctesjbuvf - ??
In the PoE
6) Obellisk - Miller
In the PoE
7) EDumey - Neighborizer
Basically confirmed town as Wallz and Chris confirmed neighbor talk, and caught Lopen with role interaction.
8) TheSultanOfSlam - Vengeful whatever
In the PoE
9) UnderUrMattress - Vanilla
Considered probably town because of MZero's inno scan.

The only other Vanilla we've had is BCT, so it makes sense for all three of the unclaimed's to also claim Vanilla, which is why I haven't really forced the issue. But if we just want to finish the claims officially, be my guest.

edumey and peaf are true heroes. always helping out with requests.

EDumey posted...

How is having Sultan take a random shot more utility than having him shoot someone we're very sure of as being scum?

If Sultan is town, it's best we test him sooner rather than later so we don't get ourselves in a weird MYLO situation. If we thought Sultan was town and had no reason to test him, then I'd argue against it. But after his relationship with Lopen and Chris, and the timing of his vote D4, I think there's enough suspicion that we would want to test him eventually. Why not now?

I kinda see it but in my mind it just makes sense to lynch ctes and then lynch sultan to have him shoot someone else.

But idt it matters too much, either way they're both already dead.

So Marth who would you have sultan lynch? You want to risk (though I find it very unlikely) mislynching sultan and he shoots town, then scum gets a night kill and were -3 town in a row?

Sorry I meant who would you have sultan shoot, not lynch

UnderUrMattress posted...

I kinda see it but in my mind it just makes sense to lynch ctes and then lynch sultan to have him shoot someone else.

But idt it matters too much, either way they're both already dead.

As always, let's examine worst case scenarios.

9 alive.
7v2.
Lynch Town Sultan, he shoots Town Ctes, and Town Wallz is night killed.
4v2.
We are in MYLO, but the game is between Dumey/MZero/Marth and Corrik/Ulti/SBell, so the chances of hitting scum still aren't that bad there.

or

7v2
Lynch Town Ctes, Town Wallz is night killed.
5v2
Lynch Town Sultan, he shoots Town ?, someone is night killed.
2v2 Scum wins.

I think Ctes is scum, so we won't run into either scenario, but basically if we think there is a decent chance of Sultan being scum, we have to test it today, or else we risk losing tomorrow.

wallmasterz posted...

Sorry I meant who would you have sultan shoot, not lynch

Not you, not EDumey, not MZero, probably not Ulti

Preferably not me since if you use OR I'm Just Town, but I won't fight it too much lol.

So I guess that leaves me with sbell or Corrik if he's not blasting ctes. And that's the baby solve lol.

You know what I'm not even sure on anything. I need to take a deeper look at things.

hey wallz, did you have a report for us? I don't recall seeing one. or were you witholding?

I actually see your line of logic while typing all that out

Yeah, I watched Dumey because I figured if scum didnt kill me theyd go for another town core person and I knew peaf would be commuting.

wallmasterz posted...

Yeah, I watched Dumey because I figured if scum didnt kill me theyd go for another town core person and I knew peaf would be commuting.

kk.

Question (for anyone): will lynching ctes and him flipping scum clear Sultan 100% or will there still be lingering worry?

Question: If Sultan IS scum and still has the ability to kill someone with this ability and he chooses to NOT kill Ctes but someone else who is town, would that then lead us to lynch ctes since he is clearly scum protected by Sultan (but really it would all be reverse psychology and we lynch ctes town and hand scum the game)

wallmasterz posted...

Make no question these are the next two lynches

There are a lot of reasons sultan looks scummy and ctes flipping scum does literally nothing to make him look more town

Obellisk posted...

Question: If Sultan IS scum and still has the ability to kill someone with this ability and he chooses to NOT kill Ctes but someone else who is town, would that then lead us to lynch ctes since he is clearly scum protected by Sultan (but really it would all be reverse psychology and we lynch ctes town and hand scum the game)

I floated this idea right after sultan claimed and everyone said its generally banned for town to be punished for guessing right.

Ctes is basically confirmed scum unless scum purposefully no killed or attempted to kill ctes (which lol)

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Obellisk posted...

kk.

Question (for anyone): will lynching ctes and him flipping scum clear Sultan 100% or will there still be lingering worry?

Ctes and Sultan are not linked by actions in any way that we gain info one direction or the other.

Obellisk posted...

Question: If Sultan IS scum and still has the ability to kill someone with this ability and he chooses to NOT kill Ctes but someone else who is town, would that then lead us to lynch ctes since he is clearly scum protected by Sultan (but really it would all be reverse psychology and we lynch ctes town and hand scum the game)

Would probably require us to reevaluate the game entirely, but if we were to ignore the scum WIFOM in that situation, I don't think my lynch preference would change. If Sultan is scum and shoots someone else, + night kill, that brings us to 5v1 and we still have a mislynch to spare at that point.

wallmasterz posted...

Ctes is basically confirmed scum unless scum purposefully no killed or attempted to kill ctes (which lol)

or ctes sent in the kill.

Scum did not try to kill ctes night 3. Presumably scum kept trying to kill peaf and it took them three nights to do so. Peaf the absolute legend

Obellisk posted...

or ctes sent in the kill.

Im only listing scenarios where ctes isnt scum there, and yes this is why ctes is scum lol

I feel like by killing obvious scum Chris we essentially killed peaf because we gave them the strongman kill back. so who was pushing Chris over the other possible scum lynch yeaterday? (I say this realizing that I decided Chris made the most sense as scum is scum and should be killed)

Yeah not sure why we are killing me to kill ctes but if that's really what yall wanna do I'm all for it lol

Obellisk posted...

I feel like by killing obvious scum Chris we essentially killed peaf because we gave them the strongman kill back. so who was pushing Chris over the other possible scum lynch yeaterday? (I say this realizing that I decided Chris made the most sense as scum is scum and should be killed)

Sultan was adamant about resolving Chris/MZero instead of voting for ctes, if that tells you anything. He did not vote for ctes despite having said all day he thought Chris was town and felt so strongly mzero was scum he insisted he had his gun pointed in MZeros direction.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yeah not sure why we are killing me to kill ctes but if that's really what yall wanna do I'm all for it lol

Who would you blast it not ctes

Just curious where your head is at

Zero point to lynching Sultan. Lynch ctes and Sultan point your gun at Marth. Ezpz