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BlackMageJawa 05/07/23 5:52:19 AM #51: |
Another thought- RPGs tend to be in fantasy worlds where magic and gods are provably real, so outdated concepts like the divine right of kings and 'the king is the land' - that is, that a good ruler has the blessing of a higher power and their kingdom will prosper through divine providence as long as they're on the throne- can actually be true. Democracy doesn't have that kind of mythology attached to it, which puts it at a disadvantage in a mythological setting. --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 05/07/23 7:56:46 AM #52: |
the atelier rorona series is (very) broadly about a monarchy trying to give up its powers to shift into a republic; meruru in particular is a spoiled princess that grows into actually contributing to her citizens' lives before she inevitably loses her privilege the individual members of the monarchy are presented as good people, but they all realize their form of government isn't sustainable and want to transition out of it as soon as it's reasonable --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 05/07/23 8:00:31 AM #53: |
agesboy posted... the atelier rorona series is (very) broadly about a monarchy trying to give up its powers to shift into a republic; meruru in particular is a spoiled princess that grows into actually contributing to her citizens' lives before she inevitably loses her privilegeThis is somehow the most unrealistic game plot I've ever read --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 05/07/23 8:57:28 AM #54: |
The funniest thing about shinra is that it's a business entity that took over the role of dictators. Guess that's what happens when you try something new! --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/07/23 9:02:04 AM #55: |
KamikazePotato posted... I think if we're being this stringent with our requirements we're not going to find many examples from popular culture media. I can't remember the last time a story ended with a big governmental paradign shift.Game of thrones technically --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 05/07/23 12:08:38 PM #56: |
foolm0r0n posted... Game of thrones technicallyNo. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/07/23 12:17:27 PM #57: |
I mean that's a clear example of a bitter ending. Explicitly anti-monarchy but it doesn't claim the structure can be abolished. Just made slightly less bad. Very cynical shit. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andylt 05/07/23 1:16:17 PM #58: |
Yeah GoT is a strange one, it's very aware of the problems with monarchies and is very critical of the feudal system, but ultimately seems to advocate for minor reforms over anything else. I suspect the books are planned to end in broadly similar strokes to the show, GoT/ASOIAF also has the same issue that's been mentioned with several games- the vast majority of characters whose eyes we see the world through are members of the nobility themselves, so they're naturally viewed in a more sympathetic light by the viewer/reader. The common folk are treated with sympathy too, but from a much greater distance and are largely removed from the main emotional narrative. BlackMageJawa posted... Another thought- RPGs tend to be in fantasy worlds where magic and gods are provably real, so outdated concepts like the divine right of kings and 'the king is the land' - that is, that a good ruler has the blessing of a higher power and their kingdom will prosper through divine providence as long as they're on the throne- can actually be true. Democracy doesn't have that kind of mythology attached to it, which puts it at a disadvantage in a mythological setting.This is a good point, but at the same time these games seem to have no problem dispatching the divine beings themselves. I guess maybe the enemies could be viewed as false gods and the 'true' divine power is with the heroes, but I still find it strange that within such fantastical magical realms filled with creativity, many of these storytellers seem unable to imagine a society removed from the confines of monarchy. --- Very very slowly becoming a Final Fantasy aficionado. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/07/23 1:21:17 PM #59: |
Wasn't the point that --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 05/07/23 1:27:10 PM #60: |
My interpretation was more that --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/07/23 1:31:20 PM #61: |
foolm0r0n posted... Wasn't the point that --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/07/23 1:33:01 PM #62: |
I see yeah that's the slightest of slight improvements --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/07/23 1:44:43 PM #63: |
Tangential but I've been reading the Baru Cormorant series and it's very much "what if Game of Thrones actually thought out its political stances (and was also about lesbians)" - the main character is an accountant for an evil empire who plans to rise though the ranks to reform or destroy the empire from within. But instead of gesturing at it, it really gets down in the dirt about how the empire works and what that would actually look like. I'm only halfway through book 2 but honestly the first one was so strong I feel confident recommending that one alone. So if those kinds of fantasy stories are your jam, check it out! --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trdl23 05/07/23 2:05:18 PM #64: |
Ogre Battle, if I recall? It's been a long while but I remember it really shredding the "person of lordly caliber" philosophy despite it being part of the title. --- E come vivo? Vivo! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 05/07/23 2:10:28 PM #65: |
KamikazePotato posted... This is somehow the most unrealistic game plot I've ever readI mean the dude that was king in Rorona literally becomes a masked superhero to 'stealth' mentor Meruru in her game so I don't think realism is high on the agenda for the series lol But yeah I suppose the Atelier Arland series sort of counts. It's really not the focus of the games and outside of Meruru's game where it's a bit more in focus due to her being a princess, it's mostly a background plot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 05/07/23 2:30:52 PM #66: |
HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Tangential but I've been reading the Baru Cormorant series and it's very much "what if Game of Thrones actually thought out its political stances (and was also about lesbians)" - the main character is an accountant for an evil empire who plans to rise though the ranks to reform or destroy the empire from within. But instead of gesturing at it, it really gets down in the dirt about how the empire works and what that would actually look like. I'm only halfway through book 2 but honestly the first one was so strong I feel confident recommending that one alone. So if those kinds of fantasy stories are your jam, check it out!I have been strongly told not to read past the first one. Honestly even if the sequels were good I feel they'd just water down the story the first told anyway --- What can the harvest hope for if not for the care of the Reaper Man? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackMageJawa 05/07/23 3:27:40 PM #67: |
I might be misremembering this, but didn't Lost Odyssey have a 'rightful' monarch who'd ceded power to a democratic council, and the big bad was trying to get him to re-establish the crown for nefarious purposes? Although even if I'm getting that right, one of the other characters was the queen of another nation, so it still fits in the 'some monarchies good' category. --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maniac64 05/07/23 8:35:29 PM #68: |
HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Tangential but I've been reading the Baru Cormorant series and it's very much "what if Game of Thrones actually thought out its political stances (and was also about lesbians)" - the main character is an accountant for an evil empire who plans to rise though the ranks to reform or destroy the empire from within. But instead of gesturing at it, it really gets down in the dirt about how the empire works and what that would actually look like. I'm only halfway through book 2 but honestly the first one was so strong I feel confident recommending that one alone. So if those kinds of fantasy stories are your jam, check it out!Who writes this? --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 05/07/23 8:37:58 PM #69: |
Seth Dickinson --- What can the harvest hope for if not for the care of the Reaper Man? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeldaTPLink 05/07/23 9:17:08 PM #70: |
Skies of Arcadia doesn't go 100% on it (since it has the good guy prince who wants to make things better), but for most part it focuses on the colonialist/imperialist aspect of monarchy, and how it destroyes other populations in the name of "progress". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 05/07/23 9:30:15 PM #71: |
ZeldaTPLink posted... Skies of Arcadia doesn't go 100% on it (since it has the good guy prince who wants to make things better), but for most part it focuses on the colonialist/imperialist aspect of monarchy, and how it destroyes other populations in the name of "progress".Destroyed its own population, too. Lower Valua is one of the bleakest cities I've visited in any RPG. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 05/08/23 12:24:15 AM #72: |
Sega, please remake Skies of Arcadia --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/08/23 11:37:56 AM #73: |
NFUN posted... I have been strongly told not to read past the first one. Honestly even if the sequels were good I feel they'd just water down the story the first told anyway I can kind of see why - the second book has some wild shifts in scope and tone that are not present at all in the first. I enjoy them, but the realism is definitely taking a backseat against the characters and setting now. Those are just as a good so it depends on what you're there for. I'm enjoying it but I'm very good at compartmentalizing individual parts of a series away from each other, and the first book really does work as a standalone. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andylt 05/17/23 7:03:25 PM #74: |
Baru Cormorant sounds awesome, thanks for bringing it up HDT. Ogre Battle and Skies were already on my radar but I'm glad to hear them mentioned in a positive light here. I could've sworn a remaster for Arcadia was announced but I must be confusing it with something else! I've started Triangle Strategy thinking maybe it'd have something worthwhile to say, but I doubt it's gonna head in any kind of anti-monarchy direction. It might surprise me, given each nation has its own distinct political system and the game wants to try and raise interesting ethical questions, but I'm not holding my breath. --- Very very slowly becoming a Final Fantasy aficionado. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_SecretSquirrel 05/17/23 8:18:45 PM #75: |
KamikazePotato posted... Destroyed its own population, too. Lower Valua is one of the bleakest cities I've visited in any RPG.Yeah, earlier it was pointed out that --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 05/17/23 10:09:20 PM #76: |
_SecretSquirrel posted... Yeah, earlier it was pointed out that --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 05/23/23 12:21:04 AM #77: |
This is more of an ending plot point than the whole premise but Rance IX --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xtlm 05/23/23 4:14:43 AM #78: |
Septerra Core? --- I'd Rather Be A Savage Little Elephant, than be a big Bald Bull "I claim one line in your sig" = TheKnightOfNee ... Copied to Clipboard!
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