Current Events > NYC Mayor rips AOC for calling the subway chokehold murder.

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She's right as usual.

I mean - murdered is a strong word.

but I seriously doubt the citizen was trying to actually kill this guy.

I mean - murdered is a strong word. But yeah, he was unfortunately killed from what transpired.

but I seriously doubt the citizen was trying to actually kill this guy.

if you live in NYC there is a story almost every day about a stabbing, an assault, a shoving at the platforms.

cops cant be everywhere at once, this guy probably thought I can prevent something from happening. The victim was clearly unhinged. Dangerous? Well never know. But I think the citizen felt he was doing the right thing at the time and never intended to actually kill the guy.

every morning I see a lot of strange acting individuals and I try to always be aware of my surroundings because it happens too often.

its a shit sandwich any way you slice it.

No, it's accurate. It doesn't matter if he was trying to kill him, he was trying to harm him without cause and got him killed in the process. That's murder, full stop.

No, it's accurate. It doesn't matter if he was trying to kill him, he was trying to harm him without cause and got him killed in the process. That's murder, full stop.

Did.... did you even read the artic.... oh it's you.

No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent.

Did.... did you even read the artic.... oh it's you.

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No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent.

what happened was there was a homicide and it appears that involuntary manslaughter is what best describes the situation.

A video captured by a freelance journalist on the train shows the former Marine holding the 30-year-old man - who was said to have been acting erratically - around the neck for two minutes and 55 seconds.

Two other riders are also seen restraining his arms. All three later let go of the man, who is then seen lying motionless on the floor.

Police sources told BBC's US news partner CBS that the man who died was throwing rubbish and yelling at passengers. Mr Neely was a Michael Jackson impersonator and was living on the streets, according to US media.

Officers arrived at the scene at about 14:27 local time (19:27 BST) and found the man unresponsive. He was later taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Juan Alberto Vazquez, the freelance journalist who filmed the incident, told the New York Times that the deceased man was screaming on the train before he was restrained.

"'I don't have food, I don't have a drink, I'm fed up,'" the man screamed, according to Mr Vazquez. "'I don't mind going to jail and getting life in prison. I'm ready to die.'"

He added the passenger was frightening, but had not assaulted anyone. At the time of the incident, Mr Vasquez said he did not believe the man would die.

"None of us were thinking that," he told the New York Times. "He was moving and he was defending himself."

Intent to harm, not intent to kill. If, for instance, you punch someone in the face with just the intent to harm, and they hit the ground and die from the impact, that's still murder.

If you have the knowledge on how to successfully put someone in a rear naked choke like that man did, you also have the knowledge that choking someone for 3 minutes can and will kill someone.

It may not have been his intent, but that guy 100% knew what he was doing.

Oh look, another topic where a bunch of people reply with strong opinions with no idea what happened.

Did everyone else know that other people on the train were also actively restraining the guy? No? Of course not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65472810

Also note how 3 minutes became "15 minutes" and everyone just runs with that.

Oh look, another topic where a bunch of people reply with strong opinions with no idea what happened.

Did everyone else know that other people on the train were also actively restraining the guy? No? Of course not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65472810

Also note how 3 minutes became "15 minutes" and everyone just runs with that.

What information would have to come out for you to think some criminal charge should be looked at?

I think the case should be looked at as-is. My point was that anyone who hasn't bothered to read even the basic details of what happened and are responding strongly to the topic title or headline is should probably shut the fuck up until after they bothered to read what happened. If I didn't post the story everyone here would still be pretending that some lone wolf choked a random person out for 15 minutes straight for no reason at all. Anyone getting pissy at me for providing the actual context of what happened is just revealing they had come to a conclusion based on complete ignorance and don't like being called out for it.

I think the case should be looked at as-is. My point was that anyone who hasn't bothered to read even the basic details of what happened and are responding strongly to the topic title or headline is should probably shut the fuck up until after they bothered to read what happened. If I didn't post the story everyone here would still be pretending that some lone wolf choked a random person out for 15 minutes straight for no reason at all. Anyone getting pissy at me for providing the actual context of what happened is just revealing they had come to a conclusion based on complete ignorance and don't like being called out for it.

No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent.

what happened was there was a homicide and it appears that involuntary manslaughter is what best describes the situation.

I think it would be safer to go for manslaughter because there's not really indication that he intended to kill this man but his actions directly led to his death. Murder would probably be a much more difficult conviction to get

Adams is such a republican how did dems fall for him

He intended to cause harm. That's all that's needed for murder.

I mean - murdered is a strong word. But yeah, he was unfortunately killed from what transpired.

but I seriously doubt the citizen was trying to actually kill this guy.

if you live in NYC there is a story almost every day about a stabbing, an assault, a shoving at the platforms.

cops cant be everywhere at once, this guy probably thought I can prevent something from happening. The victim was clearly unhinged. Dangerous? Well never know. But I think the citizen felt he was doing the right thing at the time and never intended to actually kill the guy.

every morning I see a lot of strange acting individuals and I try to always be aware of my surroundings because it happens too often.

its a shit sandwich any way you slice it.

What happened to ces mantras of talk shit.. and fuck around

What happened to ces mantras of talk shit.. and fuck around

Murder is not a strong word for what happened. You don't just hold a guy in a chokehold for 15 minutes without the intent to kill them.

No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent.

Nobody cares what this dumbass Dino has to say about anything. NYC garbage for electing him

I dont think thats very responsible at the time where we are still investigating the situation, Adams said on CNN Primetime late Wednesday when asked about both inflammatory tweets. Lets let the DA conduct his investigation with the law enforcement officials. To really interfere with that is not the right thing to do. Im going to be responsible and allow them to do their job and allow them to determine exactly what happened here, the mayor stressed.