Current Events > NYC Mayor rips AOC for calling the subway chokehold murder.

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IMNOTRAGED 05/04/23 5:45:15 PM #101:	3 minutes is still a fucking long time to hold someone in a chokehold and possibly long enough to be fatal without immediate medical attention, don't know why anyone would come in here acting like there's any actual difference there --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:973266420] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>3 minutes is still a fucking long time to hold someone in a chokehold and possibly long enough to be fatal without immediate medical attention, don't know why anyone would come in here acting like there's any actual difference there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/04/23 5:47:16 PM #102:	whateveroh posted... Hey, bub do you actually care about this or are you just using it as an outlet to get pissy with conservatives? Yes --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:973266456] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>whateveroh posted... </cite><quote>Hey, bub do you actually care about this or are you just using it as an outlet to get pissy with conservatives?</quote>Yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
badjay 05/04/23 6:10:09 PM #103:	LightningAce11 posted... Oh the guy is a marine? Should look into his history to see how much he has killed before. This was his first response? The man, a former marine who has not been identified, is being represented by Raiser and Kenniff, a Manhattan law firm whose founding partners were both in the armed services. But Mr. Neelys attacker has not been arrested or charged with a crime, raising questions about how such cases are processed by New Yorks legal system and angering many left-leaning politicians and activists who have called the process racist. They have asked why the man, who appeared to be white, was not kept in custody, and argued that were he Black, he would have been. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/nyregion/subway-chokehold-arrest-decision.html A 24-year-old man was taken into custody, police said. https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/subway-rider-dies-after-being-put-in-chokehold-in-nyc/ Who is right? I have two news articles saying different things about him being arrested. Which is apparently a loaded term, arrest seems different from being taken from custody? Probably? At least the news articles seem to make that distinction. One thing "seems" certain, he's 24 years old and a marine. "Everyone" is reporting on those two facts but how would I know that they're all not just copy pasting the same shit from one primary journalist? No fucking clue. The 24-year-old Marine veteran, who appeared to be white, was taken into custody and released without charges. His name has not been released publicly. https://apnews.com/article/nyc-subway-death-headlock-c1b1383b3163f3f5d2c22a267bc52f41 I am inclined to believe that APnews is correct here however. He's a 24 year marine who DID get "arrested" or at least taken by the cops (taken into custody vs arrested) and released. So this MAYBE corroborates the claim from both news pages about him being arrested AND also not being arrested. Because he WAS arrested and released. So fucking weird to keep track of. But again, you'd hope that if you're military trained you'd know what lethal force is. So there is no I copied a wrestling move and accidentally killed someone oopsie type of argument here. You were trained you should know what kills and what doesn't. Hopefully, they release or allow people to see the train cameras. Then people will have a better understanding. All everyone has access to apart from the cops is what Juan said in his post and his video. The cops have the train cameras so I would hope the reason they released him is that not because he was white or a marine but because they saw the train camera dude was actually dangerous and marine guy saved people (which is odd because Juan said NONE of this and he'd look pretty bad as a witness if he failed to say any of this in his post). Or you know cops probably be corrupt saw white marine and was like you can go. --- [05:45:34] I bought an American L and it was like a tent <cite>badjay posted [p:973266892] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>LightningAce11 posted... </cite><quote>Oh the guy is a marine? Should look into his history to see how much he has killed before. This was his first response?</quote><quote>The man, a former marine who has not been identified, is being represented by Raiser and Kenniff, a Manhattan law firm whose founding partners were both in the armed services.</quote><quote>But Mr. Neelys attacker has not been arrested or charged with a crime, raising questions about how such cases are processed by New Yorks legal system and angering many left-leaning politicians and activists who have called the process racist. They have asked why the man, who appeared to be white, was not kept in custody, and argued that were he Black, he would have been.</quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/nyregion/subway-chokehold-arrest-decision.html<quote>A 24-year-old man was taken into custody, police said.</quote>https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/subway-rider-dies-after-being-put-in-chokehold-in-nyc/Who is right? I have two news articles saying different things about him being arrested. Which is apparently a loaded term, arrest seems different from being taken from custody? Probably? At least the news articles seem to make that distinction. One thing "seems" certain, he's 24 years old and a marine. "Everyone" is reporting on those two facts but how would I know that they're all not just copy pasting the same shit from one primary journalist? No fucking clue. <quote>The 24-year-old Marine veteran, who appeared to be white, was taken into custody and released without charges. His name has not been released publicly.</quote>https://apnews.com/article/nyc-subway-death-headlock-c1b1383b3163f3f5d2c22a267bc52f41I am inclined to believe that APnews is correct here however. He's a 24 year marine who DID get "arrested" or at least taken by the cops (taken into custody vs arrested) and released. So this MAYBE corroborates the claim from both news pages about him being arrested AND also not being arrested. Because he WAS arrested and released. So fucking weird to keep track of. But again, you'd hope that if you're military trained you'd know what lethal force is. So there is no I copied a wrestling move and accidentally killed someone oopsie type of argument here. You were trained you should know what kills and what doesn't.Hopefully, they release or allow people to see the train cameras. Then people will have a better understanding. All everyone has access to apart from the cops is what Juan said in his post and his video. The cops have the train cameras so I would hope the reason they released him is that not because he was white or a marine but because they saw the train camera dude was actually dangerous and marine guy saved people (which is odd because Juan said NONE of this and he'd look pretty bad as a witness if he failed to say any of this in his post). Or you know cops probably be corrupt saw white marine and was like you can go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 05/04/23 6:31:32 PM #104:	s0nicfan posted... Also note how 3 minutes became "15 minutes" and everyone just runs with that. Oh, so he *only* cut off oxygen and blood to his brain for three minutes instead of 15? Well, why is this even a story then? Tell you what, grab a timer and time out three minutes for me. Better yet, try to hold your breath while you do it and let us know how long you last before you have to breathe. --- Twice impeached, INDICTED former President Donald J. Trump: STILL officially the worst president in American history. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:973267289] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Also note how 3 minutes became "15 minutes" and everyone just runs with that.</quote>Oh, so he only cut off oxygen and blood to his brain for three minutes instead of 15? Well, why is this even a story then?Tell you what, grab a timer and time out three minutes for me. Better yet, try to hold your breath while you do it and let us know how long you last before you have to breathe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate_reaver 05/04/23 6:40:46 PM #105:	you don't choke out someone for that long without wanting to kill them --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate_reaver posted [p:973267448] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>you don't choke out someone for that long without wanting to kill them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deanshow 05/04/23 6:53:55 PM #106:	IronWolf87 posted... It only takes a few seconds for someone to pass out from a RNC. That's like one of the very first things you'll learn in a jiu jitsu class. Keeping a person in an RNC for 3 minutes is really fucked up. ^This any mat practioner can tell you that it takes seconds to have a good blood choke to pass out. --- Will not change this sig until Tommy Wiseau wins an Oscar (Started 12-21-2014) <cite>deanshow posted [p:973267706] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>IronWolf87 posted... </cite><quote>It only takes a few seconds for someone to pass out from a RNC. That's like one of the very first things you'll learn in a jiu jitsu class.Keeping a person in an RNC for 3 minutes is really fucked up.</quote>^This any mat practioner can tell you that it takes seconds to have a good blood choke to pass out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/04/23 8:40:20 PM #107:	deanshow posted... ^This any mat practioner can tell you that it takes seconds to have a good blood choke to pass out. Exactly. You can feel when they go unconscious. Holding the choke past that point is attempted murder. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:973269454] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>deanshow posted... </cite><quote>^This any mat practioner can tell you that it takes seconds to have a good blood choke to pass out.</quote>Exactly. You can feel when they go unconscious. Holding the choke past that point is attempted murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 05/04/23 8:43:21 PM #108:	chrono625 posted... No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent. what happened was there was a homicide and it appears that involuntary manslaughter is what best describes the situation. I'm pretty sure when you hit the 15 minute mark on a chokehold you have pretty clear intent <cite>TMOG posted [p:973269521] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>chrono625 posted... </cite><quote>No it isnt - murder, by definition, has to involve some sort of premeditation or intent. what happened was there was a homicide and it appears that involuntary manslaughter is what best describes the situation.</quote>I'm pretty sure when you hit the 15 minute mark on a chokehold you have pretty clear intent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Target 05/05/23 8:57:57 AM #109:	My conservative friend is telling me that the chokehold was less than a minute. Any update on that? --- https://imgur.com/JXxiPHm https://imgur.com/JXxiPHm <cite>Blue_Target posted [p:973277376] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>My conservative friend is telling me that the chokehold was less than a minute. Any update on that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 05/05/23 9:38:31 AM #110:	s0nicfan posted... Thanks for the update, and good on you for doing the leg work. Dude came in spouting shit about people not doing research and jumping to conclusions based off a single line in an article. Then gets completely wrecked by someone who actually did the research to see exactly what witnesses are saying what happened, and now he's all "Thank you for informing me on this matter" and doesn't even attempt to apologize to the people he dragged for doing the exact same thing he did, shot at the mouth without doing proper research on the matter. Never change, CE --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:973277937] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Thanks for the update, and good on you for doing the leg work.</quote>Dude came in spouting shit about people not doing research and jumping to conclusions based off a single line in an article.Then gets completely wrecked by someone who actually did the research to see exactly what witnesses are saying what happened, and now he's all "Thank you for informing me on this matter" and doesn't even attempt to apologize to the people he dragged for doing the exact same thing he did, shot at the mouth without doing proper research on the matter.Never change, CE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greenjeans 05/05/23 9:43:26 AM #111:	bigblu89 posted... It sometimes takes a lot of effort to be a good person <cite>greenjeans posted [p:973278012] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote></quote>It sometimes takes a lot of effort to be a good person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 05/05/23 9:59:50 AM #113:	greenjeans posted... It sometimes takes a lot of effort to be a good person Calling people out on their flaws, in an attempt to make them better themselves, is what good people do. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:973278215] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>greenjeans posted... </cite><quote>It sometimes takes a lot of effort to be a good person</quote>Calling people out on their flaws, in an attempt to make them better themselves, is what good people do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greenjeans 05/05/23 10:03:00 AM #114:	bigblu89 posted... Calling people out on their flaws, in an attempt to make them better themselves, is what good people do. All I said is it sometimes takes effort, or a lot of effort. I removed your text because I wasn't responding to your post...just your sig <cite>greenjeans posted [p:973278266] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>Calling people out on their flaws, in an attempt to make them better themselves, is what good people do.</quote>All I said is it sometimes takes effort, or a lot of effort. I removed your text because I wasn't responding to your post...just your sig</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 05/05/23 10:17:28 AM #115:	greenjeans posted... All I said is it sometimes takes effort, or a lot of effort. I removed your text because I wasn't responding to your post...just your sig Gotcha. I apologize for misunderstanding you post. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:973278468] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>greenjeans posted... </cite><quote>All I said is it sometimes takes effort, or a lot of effort. I removed your text because I wasn't responding to your post...just your sig</quote>Gotcha. I apologize for misunderstanding you post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greenjeans 05/05/23 10:18:38 AM #116:	bigblu89 posted... Gotcha. I apologize for misunderstanding you post. No worries amigo <cite>greenjeans posted [p:973278487] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>Gotcha. I apologize for misunderstanding you post.</quote>No worries amigo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 05/05/23 10:26:40 AM #117:	bigblu89 posted... Dude came in spouting shit about people not doing research and jumping to conclusions based off a single line in an article. Then gets completely wrecked by someone who actually did the research to see exactly what witnesses are saying what happened, and now he's all "Thank you for informing me on this matter" and doesn't even attempt to apologize to the people he dragged for doing the exact same thing he did, shot at the mouth without doing proper research on the matter. Never change, CE He always does this. Makes some nonsense bullshit post (usually attacking other posters in the process), gets called out on it by everyone else in the topic, ducks and dodges people then comes back to address the one person who isn't dunking on him. I don't even take that user seriously anymore and no one else should. He's the Dillon Brooks of CE --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:973278606] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>Dude came in spouting shit about people not doing research and jumping to conclusions based off a single line in an article.Then gets completely wrecked by someone who actually did the research to see exactly what witnesses are saying what happened, and now he's all "Thank you for informing me on this matter" and doesn't even attempt to apologize to the people he dragged for doing the exact same thing he did, shot at the mouth without doing proper research on the matter.Never change, CE</quote>He always does this. Makes some nonsense bullshit post (usually attacking other posters in the process), gets called out on it by everyone else in the topic, ducks and dodges people then comes back to address the one person who isn't dunking on him.I don't even take that user seriously anymore and no one else should. He's the Dillon Brooks of CE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 10:30:55 AM #118:	You guys dont have martial arts experience and it shows. choking is not a binary. You are not limited to choking with full force as long as you can or letting go immediately. have you ever seen an MMA fight or a BJJ competition? The choke happens, then the other guy taps or passes out. In either case, especially the latter, if the dude goes limp you fucking let go immediately. It could not only result in death, it can also cause brain damage. the guys initial idea to choke the unruly, chaotic metro passenger was right. How idea to hood the choke a little bit to let others intervene was right. Continuing to hold the choke as hard as he could, for as long as he could is simply murder --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973278680] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>You guys dont have martial arts experience and it shows.choking is not a binary. You are not limited to choking with full force as long as you can or letting go immediately.have you ever seen an MMA fight or a BJJ competition? The choke happens, then the other guy taps or passes out. In either case, especially the latter, if the dude goes limp you fucking let go immediately. It could not only result in death, it can also cause brain damage.the guys initial idea to choke the unruly, chaotic metro passenger was right. How idea to hood the choke a little bit to let others intervene was right. Continuing to hold the choke as hard as he could, for as long as he could is simply murder </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/05/23 10:34:14 AM #119:	DOOM-64 posted... the guys initial idea to choke the unruly, chaotic metro passenger was right. Being unruly does not deserve to be assaulted either. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:973278724] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>DOOM-64 posted... </cite><quote>the guys initial idea to choke the unruly, chaotic metro passenger was right.</quote>Being unruly does not deserve to be assaulted either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 05/05/23 10:49:14 AM #120:	IMNOTRAGED posted... 3 minutes is still a fucking long time to hold someone in a chokehold and possibly long enough to be fatal without immediate medical attention, don't know why anyone would come in here acting like there's any actual difference there From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity. You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:973278915] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>IMNOTRAGED posted... </cite><quote>3 minutes is still a fucking long time to hold someone in a chokehold and possibly long enough to be fatal without immediate medical attention, don't know why anyone would come in here acting like there's any actual difference there</quote>From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity.You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 05/05/23 10:50:19 AM #121:	Prismsblade posted... From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity. You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that. Quiet chud. Dude 100% could feel when the guy passed out and kept the choke going. Yeah, he might not go down for this, he's white and the guy he murdered was homeless and folks like you don't give a shit about the homeless. Doesn't mean it wasn't murder. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:973278936] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity.You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that.</quote>Quiet chud.Dude 100% could feel when the guy passed out and kept the choke going. Yeah, he might not go down for this, he's white and the guy he murdered was homeless and folks like you don't give a shit about the homeless. Doesn't mean it wasn't murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 05/05/23 10:54:26 AM #124:	Prismsblade posted... From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity. You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that. Seems like the killer is the one that got overly emotional and killed someone negligently by creating a "heated circumstance" by attacking an unarmed (from what we know) person who had not been physical to him. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:973279015] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity.You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that.</quote>Seems like the killer is the one that got overly emotional and killed someone negligently by creating a "heated circumstance" by attacking an unarmed (from what we know) person who had not been physical to him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WellKnownNomad 05/05/23 11:01:49 AM #125:	What Eric Adams heard when he said that https://youtu.be/GvM4_U9MvPk --- "Anime is for jerks" - Jeff Gerstmann <cite>WellKnownNomad posted [p:973279148] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>What Eric Adams heard when he said thathttps://youtu.be/GvM4_U9MvPk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 05/05/23 11:51:30 AM #126:	Prismsblade posted... From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity. You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that. 3 minutes during a heated exchange could seem like eternity yes thats.. that makes it even more insane to keep holding the choke? For what apparently seems like eternity? What point are you even trying to fucking make? hey maybe dont put a person who wasnt actually hurting anyone in a chokehold if you cant handle putting someone in a chokehold without killing them, how about that? Fuck off. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:973279939] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>From our perspective comfortably behind computer screens maybe. But from his 3 minutes during a such heated circumstances could seem like a eternity.You all can get emotional over this if you want but even if this goes to trial it's unlikely he'll be convicted with murder or anything for that matter. So I'd start mentally preparing sooner rather then later for that.</quote>3 minutes during a heated exchange could seem like eternityyes thats.. that makes it even more insane to keep holding the choke? For what apparently seems like eternity? What point are you even trying to fucking make?hey maybe dont put a person who wasnt actually hurting anyone in a chokehold if you cant handle putting someone in a chokehold without killing them, how about that? Fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
badjay 05/05/23 1:22:10 PM #127:	Woah wait wtf, this guy is editing his facebook post, but facebook dates it to 3 days ago. What the hell? https://www.facebook.com/people/Luces-de-Nueva-York/100090412633635/ I was about to correct someone (about him being choked for 15 minutes rather than 3) by quoting the guy everyone (including news) has been quoting and it appears he has changed what he wrote with no indication that he edited it (pardon me I don't use facebook very much to know if there is a feature like gamefaqs to look at previous edits). [New edit here if someone can help me out, I don't have a facebook profile but you have to be logged in to look at previous edits here's how you can help me out] https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/2/AABn_6AAEcpi.png I was about to quote the part that I quoted yesterday this one (look at my original post to see what this passage is translated): En esa postura estuvieron cerca de 15 minutos mientras otros pasajeros y el operador del tren llamaba a la polica (como se escucha en el video). Los uniformados, por cierto, nunca llegaron. Mientras el ahora cautivo luchaba por safarse de la llave, otros samaritanos se acercaron para auxiliar al guero y evitar que el otro escapara. Uno de ellos que recien habia abordado con una mujer, pareca mediar entre los dos que luchaban en el piso. But it appears he has completely changed that text to this: Antes de que el show continuar, y pese a que hasta el momento Jordan no parecia querer agredir a nadie, un joven de cabello castao y chamarra gris lo agarr por detrs del cuello y deposit en el piso mientras lo atenazaba con sus piernas. Al llegar a Broadway Lafayette, las puertas se abrieron y la gente abandon el vagn. Jordan y el Marine siguieron en esa postura al menos 5 minutos. Mientras otros pasajeros (me incluyo) y el operador del tren llamaba a la polica (como se escucha en el video). Here's a rough google translate for you non spanish speaking people: Before the show continued, and despite the fact that Jordan did not seem to want to attack anyone so far, a young man with brown hair and a gray jacket grabbed him from behind the neck and placed him on the ground while holding him with his legs. Arriving at Broadway Lafayette, the doors opened and people left the car. Jordan and the Marine remained in that position for at least 5 minutes. While other passengers (including myself) and the train operator called the police (as heard on the video). So the story has changed from 15 minutes to AT LEAST 5 minutes. I mean it makes sense but makes him very unreliable now to me. The more notable edits is that he posts Jordan Neely's name as if he knew it the first time, which...has to be impossible because he never referenced him the first time. He also knows that the choker was a 24 year old marine. I get that he made the post in response to the NYPost of someone dying but dude don't edit it to the point where you're grabbing everyone's info and incorporating it into your post. Make new posts adding that info, don't stealth edit your original post which could have been used as a testimony and now is useless. He also removed the line about George Floyd as well from his post. It no longer exists. I didn't make that shit up, I copy pasted it and now I can't ctrl F George Floyd in his new edited post anymore other than the replies that ALSO reference it. So basically this post was edited possibly in order to favor him with no accountability to the edit to let people know it was changed. Honestly at this point it's probably best to wait to watch the train footage to see what really happened because this "freelance journalist" has no integrity in my eyes. I'm not denying what happened a guy was choked and killed but, it'd be fucking embarrassing to say this marine choked a man who did nothing and a month from now police release NYC train footage showing Neely punching people on the train in a fury and this marine was a hero. Which I think is VERY unlikely because I would imagine witnesses would say that outright to the media and they'd be covering the shit out of a hero marine, but at best we have Neely throwing trash around (not at people from what I can see) and not really needing to be killed much less choked out. https://abc7ny.com/subway-death-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc/13214440/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/1/AABn_6AAEcph.png There WERE witnesses but nobody seems to say Neely was truly violent so odds are marine guy just homicided Neely for screaming and throwing trash around (according to news articles and word of mouth of Juan Vazquez). Murder or Manslaughter is up to the courts. I think it's murder when you're a trained marine who choke killed a person. You should know what is lethal force and non lethal force when choking someone. As for the "good Samaritans," I have no clue what to say about them, you'd think they would've stopped but they just kept going too. Accessory to murder on them? Unlikely in my opinion, unless they also happen to be marines as well, I'd say they're clueless about the amount of force necessary to kill someone. Info is going to be tainted from here on though, because if I were those "samaritans" in court I'd say "The guy called himself a marine and told me to help him. I just thought we were restraining him not killing him!" It's going to be a messy courtcase for those accessory men, but likely not murder for them, involuntary manslaughter, maybe they get some slaps on the wrists or very minimal prison. Marine guy? Murder charge, not max sentence probably some shpiel about how young he is and he served our country (unless dishonorably discharged rofl). --- [05:45:34] I bought an American L and it was like a tent <cite>badjay posted [p:973281601] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Woah wait wtf, this guy is editing his facebook post, but facebook dates it to 3 days ago. What the hell?https://www.facebook.com/people/Luces-de-Nueva-York/100090412633635/I was about to correct someone (about him being choked for 15 minutes rather than 3) by quoting the guy everyone (including news) has been quoting and it appears he has changed what he wrote with no indication that he edited it (pardon me I don't use facebook very much to know if there is a feature like gamefaqs to look at previous edits).[New edit here if someone can help me out, I don't have a facebook profile but you have to be logged in to look at previous edits here's how you can help me out]https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/2/AABn_6AAEcpi.png I was about to quote the part that I quoted yesterday this one (look at my original post to see what this passage is translated):<quote>En esa postura estuvieron cerca de 15 minutos mientras otros pasajeros y el operador del tren llamaba a la polica (como se escucha en el video). Los uniformados, por cierto, nunca llegaron. Mientras el ahora cautivo luchaba por safarse de la llave, otros samaritanos se acercaron para auxiliar al guero y evitar que el otro escapara. Uno de ellos que recien habia abordado con una mujer, pareca mediar entre los dos que luchaban en el piso.</quote>But it appears he has completely changed that text to this:<quote>Antes de que el show continuar, y pese a que hasta el momento Jordan no parecia querer agredir a nadie, un joven de cabello castao y chamarra gris lo agarr por detrs del cuello y deposit en el piso mientras lo atenazaba con sus piernas. Al llegar a Broadway Lafayette, las puertas se abrieron y la gente abandon el vagn. Jordan y el Marine siguieron en esa postura al menos 5 minutos. Mientras otros pasajeros (me incluyo) y el operador del tren llamaba a la polica (como se escucha en el video).</quote>Here's a rough google translate for you non spanish speaking people:<quote>Before the show continued, and despite the fact that Jordan did not seem to want to attack anyone so far, a young man with brown hair and a gray jacket grabbed him from behind the neck and placed him on the ground while holding him with his legs. Arriving at Broadway Lafayette, the doors opened and people left the car. Jordan and the Marine remained in that position for at least 5 minutes. While other passengers (including myself) and the train operator called the police (as heard on the video).</quote>So the story has changed from 15 minutes to AT LEAST 5 minutes. I mean it makes sense but makes him very unreliable now to me. The more notable edits is that he posts Jordan Neely's name as if he knew it the first time, which...has to be impossible because he never referenced him the first time. He also knows that the choker was a 24 year old marine. I get that he made the post in response to the NYPost of someone dying but dude don't edit it to the point where you're grabbing everyone's info and incorporating it into your post. Make new posts adding that info, don't stealth edit your original post which could have been used as a testimony and now is useless. He also removed the line about George Floyd as well from his post. It no longer exists. I didn't make that shit up, I copy pasted it and now I can't ctrl F George Floyd in his new edited post anymore other than the replies that ALSO reference it. So basically this post was edited possibly in order to favor him with no accountability to the edit to let people know it was changed. Honestly at this point it's probably best to wait to watch the train footage to see what really happened because this "freelance journalist" has no integrity in my eyes.I'm not denying what happened a guy was choked and killed but, it'd be fucking embarrassing to say this marine choked a man who did nothing and a month from now police release NYC train footage showing Neely punching people on the train in a fury and this marine was a hero. Which I think is VERY unlikely because I would imagine witnesses would say that outright to the media and they'd be covering the shit out of a hero marine, but at best we have Neely throwing trash around (not at people from what I can see) and not really needing to be killed much less choked out.https://abc7ny.com/subway-death-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc/13214440/https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/1/AABn_6AAEcph.png There WERE witnesses but nobody seems to say Neely was truly violent so odds are marine guy just homicided Neely for screaming and throwing trash around (according to news articles and word of mouth of Juan Vazquez). Murder or Manslaughter is up to the courts. I think it's murder when you're a trained marine who choke killed a person. You should know what is lethal force and non lethal force when choking someone. As for the "good Samaritans," I have no clue what to say about them, you'd think they would've stopped but they just kept going too. Accessory to murder on them? Unlikely in my opinion, unless they also happen to be marines as well, I'd say they're clueless about the amount of force necessary to kill someone. Info is going to be tainted from here on though, because if I were those "samaritans" in court I'd say "The guy called himself a marine and told me to help him. I just thought we were restraining him not killing him!"It's going to be a messy courtcase for those accessory men, but likely not murder for them, involuntary manslaughter, maybe they get some slaps on the wrists or very minimal prison. Marine guy? Murder charge, not max sentence probably some shpiel about how young he is and he served our country (unless dishonorably discharged rofl).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 05/05/23 1:27:50 PM #128:	Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one? --- St. Louis Battlehawks (7-3) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:973281691] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 05/05/23 1:54:25 PM #129:	TaylorHeinicke posted... Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one? It was caught on video. It's a white guy killing man of color. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:973282144] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>TaylorHeinicke posted... </cite><quote>Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one?</quote>It was caught on video.It's a white guy killing man of color.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 05/05/23 2:20:19 PM #130:	TaylorHeinicke posted... Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one? The combination of it being caught on video, it being clearly an extrajudicial murder of an unarmed, unhoused person with mental illness, and the ongoing conversation about how fucked our society is. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:973282648] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>TaylorHeinicke posted... </cite><quote>Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one?</quote>The combination of it being caught on video, it being clearly an extrajudicial murder of an unarmed, unhoused person with mental illness, and the ongoing conversation about how fucked our society is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 2:47:21 PM #131:	Tmaster148 posted... Being unruly does not deserve to be assaulted either. I can see a scenario where he needed to be restrained - he was a looney, after all --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973283121] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted... </cite><quote>Being unruly does not deserve to be assaulted either.</quote>I can see a scenario where he needed to be restrained - he was a looney, after all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 2:48:59 PM #132:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] 1) whats your MA experience? Not doubting you, I like this topic 2) how did your hubby handle the knife guy? --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973283150] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> 1) whats your MA experience? Not doubting you, I like this topic 2) how did your hubby handle the knife guy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 2:51:26 PM #133:	Maybe society is more racist than I thought, even the liberal circles. wasnt Hochul saying the choked out guy had it coming? then the mayor is like lol dont calling it murder theyre all pretty much joining forces shitting on a guy who got choked to death --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973283197] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Maybe society is more racist than I thought, even the liberal circles.wasnt Hochul saying the choked out guy had it coming?then the mayor is like lol dont calling it murdertheyre all pretty much joining forces shitting on a guy who got choked to death </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Finis-XII 05/05/23 2:54:38 PM #134:	RuneterranSnap posted... She's right as usual. This. Also Eric Adams is a piece of shit. --- 2022 GOTY: Elden Ring, Best Girl Ranni <cite>Finis-XII posted [p:973283260] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>RuneterranSnap posted... </cite><quote>She's right as usual.</quote>This.Also Eric Adams is a piece of shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sheiky-Baby 05/05/23 4:18:03 PM #136:	TaylorHeinicke posted... Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one? 3 white guys standing over a dead black guy. I can swear some of them are smirking. --- Once you lose your integrity, everything comes easy afterwards. <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:973284677] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>TaylorHeinicke posted... </cite><quote>Why is this getting so much press? A guy killed a guy. Genuinely wondering what factors determine what makes something headline #1 when it happens all the time. What's special about this one?</quote>3 white guys standing over a dead black guy. I can swear some of them are smirking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Finis-XII 05/05/23 4:37:41 PM #137:	https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1654444074932248577?t=nvoBHhRgyBJYrhhEyiqWiw&s=19 --- 2022 GOTY: Elden Ring, Best Girl Ranni <cite>Finis-XII posted [p:973285022] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1654444074932248577?t=nvoBHhRgyBJYrhhEyiqWiw&s=19</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 10:08:14 PM #138:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] i have 0 BJJ or JJJ or judo experience and even I know when to stop when using a RNC (which I learned from, of all things, karate, which is vastly inferior to the arts I mentioned for grappling), its pretty obvious when the other guy is going limp, youre 100% right. its also easy to tell when the choke is simply holding someone (not actually working/choking) and when its actually working. dude has 0 excuse --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973290856] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> i have 0 BJJ or JJJ or judo experience and even I know when to stop when using a RNC (which I learned from, of all things, karate, which is vastly inferior to the arts I mentioned for grappling), its pretty obvious when the other guy is going limp, youre 100% right.its also easy to tell when the choke is simply holding someone (not actually working/choking) and when its actually working.dude has 0 excuse </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DOOM-64 05/05/23 10:09:29 PM #139:	Sheiky-Baby posted... 3 white guys standing over a dead black guy. I can swear some of them are smirking. the guy who choked him looked pretty smug. IIRC he even adjusted his clothes or something. --- Rip and Tear! <cite>DOOM-64 posted [p:973290873] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>Sheiky-Baby posted... </cite><quote>3 white guys standing over a dead black guy. I can swear some of them are smirking.</quote>the guy who choked him looked pretty smug. IIRC he even adjusted his clothes or something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 05/08/23 12:07:42 PM #140:	bigblu89 posted... It was caught on video. It's a white guy killing man of color Ah. That'll do it. --- St. Louis Battlehawks (7-3) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:973340364] in NYC Mayor ... [t:80432941]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>It was caught on video.It's a white guy killing man of color</quote>Ah. That'll do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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