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Count_Drachma posted...

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that? That's basically the underlying issue. Either way, a choice is being made for somebody else.

With the key difference that we typically prefer to let sentient individuals make choices for themselves whenever possible, while routinely making choices (including life and death decisions) that affect sub-sentient individuals (including actual infants and toddlers, long past the point where anyone would consider abortion justifiable).

Count_Drachma posted...

And it's weird that you're trying to say stuff like "pro-birth" which is a completely meaningless attempt to reframe the term

It's pretty accurate. Pro-lifers pretty routinely stop caring about the child the moment it's born; their priority is birth above anything else.

Count_Drachma posted...

while not saying "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-choice."

But pro-choice isn't pro-abortion. Hardly anyone is pro-abortion in a general sense. Pro-choice is pro-access to abortion, preserving the freedom for each individual pregnant person to choose for themselves whether they want to go through with that pregnancy. Nobody's trying to increase the number of abortions that happen, only to reduce the number of people forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. All else being equal, that can be expected to result in an increase in the number of abortions that happen, but that's where advocating for measures that actually help to reduce the rate of unwanted pregnancies come in to, in turn, reduce the number of abortions.

Count_Drachma posted...

I'm not sure he actually did, but continue your silly pigeonholing and reductionism.

As I've said, "people who generalize entire groups of people" is itself a group of people about which he made a generalization. I'm not about to pretend that isn't a bit of facetious pedantry, but it's still quite correct.

BlackScythe0 posted...

This is one of the worst posts I've seen Zeus make. Genuinely.

I've seen him make pretty much the same post in previous discussions on abortion. Also included was "abortion isn't justified following rape because that just creates an extra victim" (paraphrased), which was just all kinds of holy heckbuckets.