Poll of the Day > man the amount of hated spewed on this board...

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...from the "open minded" is not good

okay

Context?

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anytime you disagree with them you get called and marked for trolling

potdnewb posted...

anytime you disagree with them you get called and marked for trolling

What did you say? And what was the context?

papercup posted...

What did you say? And what was the context?

lets just say that its my believe that addressing the true nature of a problem is more important than addressing how that problem is observed

Depends on the problem. As observation can change results.

potdnewb posted...

lets just say that its my believe that addressing the true nature of a problem is more important than addressing how that problem is observed

Translation: Repeatedly saying "Leave guns alone it's all a mental health problem," downplaying the roles guns play in violence, and ignoring any efforts to discuss the matter constructively can get you modded for trolling.

If you would prefer not to get modded for trolling, consider discussing matters constructively, not downplaying a major cause of US mortality, and elaborating on and incorporating new information into your position instead of repeating it ad nauseum with no changes. These factors form a significant portion of the difference between productive discussion and saying controversial things for no reason except to hear yourself speak, the latter of which is broadly considered trolling.

Also of note: Misrepresenting the issues people have with your behaviour also qualifies as trolling. Just FYI.

point proven

potdnewb posted...

lets just say that its my believe that addressing the true nature of a problem is more important than addressing how that problem is observed

So you agree that we should do something about the unfettered proliferation of guns in this country?

I am so unhate that I absorb hate via osmosis and it gives me uteral cramps

papercup posted...

So you agree that we should do something about the unfettered proliferation of guns in this country?

lol great job making it sound like they are handing them out at 711s

Hate leads to suffering

would be great if you stopped hiding behind an alt and actually told us who you were TC.
And no, my moderations in that thread were justified. Every once in a while it's okay to let loose. Was very obvious Zang was trolling and I even said as much.

It really is true what they say

Posts like this make me agree with the left that some people shouldn't have guns

Metalsonic66 posted...

Hate leads to suffering

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/7/2/AAXuu6AAEZSs.jpg

This board is only full of love. I don't understand this topic.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/7/2/AAXuu6AAEZSs.jpg

lmfao

adjl posted...

Translation: Repeatedly saying "Leave guns alone it's all a mental health problem," downplaying the roles guns play in violence, and ignoring any efforts to discuss the matter constructively can get you modded for trolling.

If you would prefer not to get modded for trolling, consider discussing matters constructively, not downplaying a major cause of US mortality, and elaborating on and incorporating new information into your position instead of repeating it ad nauseum with no changes. These factors form a significant portion of the difference between productive discussion and saying controversial things for no reason except to hear yourself speak, the latter of which is broadly considered trolling.

Also of note: Misrepresenting the issues people have with your behaviour also qualifies as trolling. Just FYI.

You consider anything you disagree with to be trolling.

The idea if having a constructive conversation here is laughable anyways. It's mainly the hive mind barking their opinions at you, demanding you answer their questions while absolutely refusing to answer yours, and lashing out with name calling and mass reporting should you criticize them even slightly. The mods are all of the same ilk, so you can't expect any equilibrium there either.

Ozmose posted...

You consider anything you disagree with to be trolling.

Not remotely.

So if the real issue is mental health why dont we hear about mass stabbings, or bombings, or gas attacks every 8 hours like we do shootings?

We're so tolerant we'll belittle and cancel you if you disagree

potdnewb posted...

point proven

AHAHAHA butthurt proven more leik it

Jen0125 posted...

lmfao

i chuckled as i posted it

papercup posted...

So if the real issue is mental health why dont we hear about mass stabbings, or bombings, or gas attacks every 8 hours like we do shootings?

You do overseas. Guns are just the preferred method here. South Korea has a real problem with public stabbings. Bombings are pretty common stretching from the middle east all the way up into southern Europe. We're not even close to the worst in terms of gun homicide. Based on population, I believe we rank something like 36th globally.

Ozmose posted...

You do overseas. Guns are just the preferred method here. South Korea has a real problem with public stabbings. Bombings are pretty common stretching from the middle east all the way up into southern Europe. We're not even close to the worst in terms of gun homicide. Based on population, I believe we rank something like 36th globally.

Were not talking about overseas.

papercup posted...

So if the real issue is mental health why dont we hear about mass stabbings, or bombings, or gas attacks every 8 hours like we do shootings?

Doesn't fit the narrative and guns are so easy for these crazies to get. Lots of True Crime stories from very disturbed people about stabbings and whatnot. Watched a recent EWU about a guy who used a spatula to kill an old lady (there was no clear motive). Absolutely horrifying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yB_nCbwGA

papercup posted...

Were not talking about overseas.

Then why is everyone so willing to compare us to other countries when it comes to guns? Seems to me like the only time anyone wants to make comparisons is when it supports their narrative.

lol

Ozmose posted...

Bombings are pretty common stretching from the middle east all the way up into southern Europe.

That's more terrorism and targeted underworld activity than "regular" people getting their hands on some while not in the right mindset.

crime and poverty rates typically line up with how affordable and accessible housing is.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

That's more terrorism and targeted underworld activity than "regular" people getting their hands on some while not in the right mindset.

Some nut chucked a bomb at the prime minister of Japan just a few days ago. I think that's part of the problem. The labeling that is. Someone kills a dozen people at once with a rifle, it's a gun problem, but 500 people get gunned down over a couple of months with handguns in poor neighborhoods, now it's suddenly a socioeconomic problem.

Ozmose posted...

Someone kills a dozen people at once with a rifle, it's a gun problem, but 500 people get gunned down over a couple of months with handguns in poor neighborhoods, now it's suddenly a socioeconomic problem.

Personally, I'd say that's also a gun problem, but maybe I'm just weird. It's just a gun problem that has different problems associated with it (it's also a socioeconomic problem), making the solution a bit different from potential solutions to solving school shootings and the like.

• People aren't entertained by your nonsense

.... HOW HATEFUL THEY ARE!

Getting modded for speaking the truth. It's quoted on "Ask the mods" about what kind of website Gamefaqs is and stated more or less or 100% about gaming or social media. The response was gaming which is total bologna. Topics about sex pro wrestling politics etc is NOT gaming. It would be a healthier website w/o all that nonsense.

IqarP15 posted...

Getting modded for speaking the truth. It's quoted on "Ask the mods" about what kind of website Gamefaqs is and stated more or less or 100% about gaming or social media. The response was gaming which is total bologna. Topics about sex pro wrestling politics etc is NOT gaming. It would be a healthier website w/o all that nonsense.

Hello, welcome to a social board

IqarP15 posted...

Getting modded for speaking the truth. It's quoted on "Ask the mods" about what kind of website Gamefaqs is and stated more or less or 100% about gaming or social media. The response was gaming which is total bologna. Topics about sex pro wrestling politics etc is NOT gaming. It would be a healthier website w/o all that nonsense.

wat

Where are my 1st ammendment PotD on GameFAQs owned by Gamespot rights???

Ozmose posted...

You do overseas.

No, you really don't.

Ozmose posted...

We're not even close to the worst in terms of gun homicide. Based on population, I believe we rank something like 36th globally.

21st, actually, and even that is misleading because it counts Puerto Rico and the American Virgin Islands as not being part of the US (both have higher gun crime rates than the 50 states) and counts them as "countries", for some reason, so the US is actually 19th. And every single other country with a higher gun crime rate is impoverished, has massive problems with corruption and organized crime, or both.

Amongst developed nations, the US is far and away the worst in gun crime and in homicides in general. It has an intentional homicide rate of 6.5 per 100,000 as of 2020, putting it just ahead of such security heavyweights as Haiti and Tanzania, but not quite reaching the lofty heights of Zambia or Burundi. For reference, the next most murdery developed country on the list is Latvia and New Zealand, both of which have less than half the murder rate at 2.6 per 100,000. Continuing down the list, we have Canada at 2.0, Finland at 1.6, Iceland at 1.5, France at 1.3, Sweden at 1.2, the UK at 1.1, Denmark at 1.0, Australia at 0.9, Taiwan at 0.8, Ireland, Austria, and Poland all with 0.7, Norway, the Netherlands, South Korea, and Spain at 0.6, Italy, Slovenia, and Switzerland at 0.5, Japan at 0.3, and Luxembourg at 0.2. And, though I shouldn't need to point this out, I will mention that mentally ill people exist in every single one of those countries.

It's the guns. It's always been the guns. It will continue to be the guns for as long as the US refuses to acknowledge the actual problem here.

darkknight109 posted...

Amongst developed nations, the US is far and away the worst in gun crime and in homicides in general. It has an intentional homicide rate of 6.5 per 100,000 as of 2020, putting it just ahead of such security heavyweights as Haiti and Tanzania, but not quite reaching the lofty heights of Zambia or Burundi. For reference, the next most murdery developed country on the list is Latvia and New Zealand, both of which have less than half the murder rate at 2.6 per 100,000. Continuing down the list, we have Canada at 2.0, Finland at 1.6, Iceland at 1.5, France at 1.3, Sweden at 1.2, the UK at 1.1, Denmark at 1.0, Australia at 0.9, Taiwan at 0.8, Ireland, Austria, and Poland all with 0.7, Norway, the Netherlands, South Korea, and Spain at 0.6, Italy, Slovenia, and Switzerland at 0.5, Japan at 0.3, and Luxembourg at 0.2. And, though I shouldn't need to point this out, I will mention that mentally ill people exist in every single one of those countries.

That number right there says it all. They make it sound like everyone needs to live in fear of being gunned down, when the odds are incredibly small. I'll add the vast majority of those are in urban high crime areas. Drunk drivers kill 4 in every 100,000. Should we ban cars too? Alcohol? That's the logic being used here. Punish the millions upon millions of responsible law abiding people because of the actions of a small fraction of criminals.
darkknight109 posted...

No, you really don't.

That's funny, I just saw a story from the BBC not long ago about the drop boxes they placed all over London for knives. Apparently they're supposed to stop all the stabbings somehow. Genius.

Ozmose posted...

That's funny, I just saw a story from the BBC not long ago about the drop boxes they placed all over London for knives. Apparently they're supposed to stop all the stabbings somehow. Genius.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/americas-knife-crime-figures-worse-27435503

https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/18/world/london-us-cities-homicide-rates-comparison-intl-gbr/index.html

oh look still worse in the states with knives too

Ozmose posted...

That number right there says it all. They make it sound like everyone needs to live in fear of being gunned down, when the odds are incredibly small.

Good lord, did you put wheels on those goalposts? Look at them go!

Ozmose posted...

Drunk drivers kill 4 in every 100,000. Should we ban cars too? Alcohol? That's the logic being used here. Punish the millions upon millions of responsible law abiding people because of the actions of a small fraction of criminals.

We should ban drunk driving (done), make improvements to the training and licensing requirements for cars to reduce the associated risks (less done), and strengthen the response to those that are caught to discourage/prevent repeat offenses (not done). All of which is more or less analogous to what gun control advocates are calling for: Not a complete ban, but improved screening, training, licensing, storage, and other regulations that can reasonably be expected to reduce the rate of gun violence in all its forms while minimizing the impact for law-abiding people.

As it happens, though, while not "banning" cars per se, a shift toward a less car-centric society would make considerable steps toward reducing drunk driving rates and harms, most notably in that taking away somebody's license/car would no longer render them largely unable to survive independently and could therefore be applied as a punishment more liberally. Drunk driving is also far less of a concern when anyone can reliably take a bus or train to and from the bar without taking 4-5 times longer than driving would. Even among law-abiding, "safe" drivers, cars are still an extremely high source of mortality (especially for non-drivers), so this would also just reduce that fatality across the board. But that's getting into a much broader discussion.

Ozmose posted...

That number right there says it all. They make it sound like everyone needs to live in fear of being gunned down, when the odds are incredibly small.

And yet there's been mass shootings in America more times this year than there have been days.

IqarP15 posted...

Getting modded for speaking the truth. It's quoted on "Ask the mods" about what kind of website Gamefaqs is and stated more or less or 100% about gaming or social media. The response was gaming which is total bologna. Topics about sex pro wrestling politics etc is NOT gaming. It would be a healthier website w/o all that nonsense.

First of all, PotD is a social board, we can talk about whatever we want. Second, what "truth" did you speak?

Ozmose posted...

They make it sound like everyone needs to live in fear of being gunned down, when the odds are incredibly small.

That's because your odds of dying to anything in any given year are incredibly small (about 1.3% - of all people living in the US at any time, just under 99% of them will still be alive the following year). That doesn't somehow diminish the role of guns in killing people.

Guns are the sixth-most common cause of death for all ages in the US (the only things above it are, in order, heart disease, cancer, COVID-19, chronic lower respiratory disease, and opioid overdose). They are the single-most common cause of death for children. Your lifetime odds of dying to a gun are a staggeringly high 1-in-89. You are more likely to die to a gun than to a motor vehicle crash.

Try and worm your way out of the statistical truth all you like, it won't work.

Ozmose posted...

Drunk drivers kill 4 in every 100,000. Should we ban cars too?

Hmm... good point. Drunk driving does kill a lot of people - not as much as guns, of course, but still quite a few. So what do we do to address that?

Well, we restrict who can drive our cars, of course - no one under the age of 16, save for a training period where they can drive under supervision. And if you're eventually found to have a health condition of some sort that impacts your ability to drive safely, or you show yourself to be irresponsible with your use of a vehicle by breaking the law, you can have restrictions or an outright ban placed on your ability to drive.

Of course, you also need a license to drive, one that requires you to pass a test demonstrating your knowledge of how to operate a vehicle and the responsibility, awareness, and maturity to do so safely. Registration of all vehicles is similarly mandatory. All vehicles on the road have mandatory safety features, which get ever more strict by the year, and the police have the right to inspect your vehicle at any time and ticket you for violations.

You know, since you brought this up, I think I agree - we should be addressing drunk driving and gun crime the same way.

Ozmose posted...

Punish the millions upon millions of responsible law abiding people because of the actions of a small fraction of criminals.

Um... yes? That's how laws work. We legislate to the lowest common denominator because we have to.

Like... do you think traffic laws exist to punish the millions of responsible, law-abiding drivers who drive safely? No, of course not - you could turn most people loose onto roads that have no traffic laws to speak of and they would still drive in a safe, orderly fashion; it's the small minority of people who drive like fucking maniacs that wreck it for everyone else and make it so we need traffic laws.

Guns are no different. Are the overwhelming majority of gun owners responsible and use/store their guns in a safe manner? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't pass gun laws? Absolutely not, because there are enough lunatics who *aren't* being safe in their handling/storage/usage of guns that America has a massive fucking problem that needs to be dealt with.

Gun laws aren't being passed to "punish" you - if you are as responsible a gun owner as you claim to be, laws enforcing that responsibility should not be a concern to you.

IqarP15 posted...

Getting modded for speaking the truth. It's quoted on "Ask the mods" about what kind of website Gamefaqs is and stated more or less or 100% about gaming or social media. The response was gaming which is total bologna. Topics about sex pro wrestling politics etc is NOT gaming. It would be a healthier website w/o all that nonsense.

That's because this website, like all forms of internet forums, are social media.

If you want to only talk about games, there's nothing stopping you. If you don't want to talk about anything outside of games, there's also literally nothing stopping you.

darkknight109 posted...

Gun laws aren't being passed to "punish" you - if you are as responsible a gun owner as you claim to be, laws enforcing that responsibility should not be a concern to you.

And, conversely, if (reasonable and well-designed) laws enforcing that responsibility *do* end up inconveniencing or hurting you, then you aren't actually as safe or responsible as you think.