Current Events > She lied about her age and he is now a sex offender(Fair or unfair?)

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epik_fail1
04/12/23 10:04:17 AM
#1:


Well?


The guy was 19 years old when it happened and the alleged victim admitted it. Do you think the sentence is deserved and he should have asked for ID or do you think it is unfair?

https://youtu.be/thA3LJmZKkw

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epik_fail1
04/12/23 10:28:51 AM
#2:


Please explain your position

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famfam
04/12/23 10:37:02 AM
#3:


do you believe that someone is responsible for breaking the law even if they didn't know what they were doing was a crime?
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R1masher
04/12/23 10:38:12 AM
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Why is he allowed to have a cat?

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Ivany2008
04/12/23 10:41:14 AM
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I don't have time to watch the video, but if the female lied, then he should be taken off the registry and she should be given jail time. This reminds me of a story that happened at my college. A 19 year old woman was dating the security guard at our college who was 22 at the time. She hadn't told her parents that they were dating. One day, her parents decided to surprise visit her in her dorm and she ran out screaming rape, which didn't happen. The guard ended up going to jail, and less than 2 years later they found out she had lied about the entire thing. The messed up part is that she didn't get jail time after the fact, yet he continued to serve out his sentence, which I think was 2 years.
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CommonStar
04/12/23 10:50:27 AM
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He shouldn't have been registered. That judge seems to have a vendetta towards hookup culture and he took it out on this dude.
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Giant_Aspirin
04/12/23 11:12:35 AM
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famfam posted...
do you believe that someone is responsible for breaking the law even if they didn't know what they were doing was a crime?

in this case, i think the girl is the criminal for lying about her age.

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WBC_Injury
04/12/23 11:13:54 AM
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famfam posted...
do you believe that someone is responsible for breaking the law even if they didn't know what they were doing was a crime?

Mens rea is supposed to be a thing but for some reason this gets ignored nowadays
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bsp77
04/12/23 11:19:03 AM
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The judge should be fired. Piece of shit conservatives who hide their hate for others behind "morals".

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wackyteen
04/12/23 11:21:59 AM
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Judge: "Having pre/extra-marital sex? https://youtu.be/fGnuiTGekd0 "

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MC_BatCommander
04/12/23 11:22:39 AM
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Sounds like the judge had a bone to pick with hook-up culture and took that out on him

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Spurner
04/12/23 11:22:56 AM
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WBC_Injury posted...
Mens rea is supposed to be a thing but for some reason this gets ignored nowadays

If I recall correctly, when determining guilt, intent doesnt matter in statutory crimes. It can be considered during sentencing, though.

Edit: Someone correct me if Im misremembering.
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epik_fail1
04/12/23 11:28:52 AM
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R1masher posted...
Why is he allowed to have a cat?

????

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Glob
04/12/23 11:30:31 AM
#14:


bsp77 posted...
The judge should be fired. Piece of shit conservatives who hide their hate for others behind "morals".

Id say that the judge should spend the rest of his life in prison. He abused his position to ruin another persons life because hes an out of touch old fuckwit.
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Cobra1010
04/12/23 11:32:10 AM
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Shit, he cant even live at home because his brother is 15. And hes not allowed internet access so he cant even watch youtube or shop online on amazon.

Is this for life or for the 5 year probation?

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NoxObscuras
04/12/23 11:34:24 AM
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Fuck that judge. He clearly just hates hookup culture and took it out on this guy.

"You went online, to use a fisherman's expression, trolling for women, to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hookup, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this, whatsoever..."

But it was a dating site intended to be used by consenting adults. He makes it sound like the guy was intentionally looking for minors to sleep with or something

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Turbam
04/12/23 11:36:44 AM
#17:


The judge was clearly biased with his sentence


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epik_fail1
04/12/23 11:49:46 AM
#18:


Cobra1010 posted...
Shit, he cant even live at home because his brother is 15. And hes not allowed internet access so he cant even watch youtube or shop online on amazon.

Is this for life or for the 5 year probation?

According to the comment section, they eventually removed him from the registry, but I have no clue how true this is

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NoxObscuras
04/12/23 11:51:41 AM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Is this for life or for the 5 year probation?
From what I could find, he was originally going to be on the sex offender registry for Michigan until 2040 and on the Indiana registry for life. But after this story got national attention, a different judge resentenced him, which removed him from the Michigan registry and only kept him on the Indiana registry until he finished a strict 2 year probation.

So for 2 years he couldn't have any contact with minors, use the Internet for anything other than school, or have a cellphone. His probation was supposed to end in October 2017, but got extended by 6 months, because he had used the Internet to look up a filter for his fish tank. There aren't any more updates after that, so I'm assuming he's clear now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3279529/Indiana-man-resentenced-having-sex-teenager.html

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Solution_45
04/12/23 12:00:16 PM
#21:


females
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Supaitwo
04/12/23 12:01:33 PM
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Solution_45 posted...
females

What about them?

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epik_fail1
04/12/23 12:02:55 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Fuck that judge. He clearly just hates hookup culture and took it out on this guy.

"You went online, to use a fisherman's expression, trolling for women, to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hookup, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this, whatsoever..."

But it was a dating site intended to be used by consenting adults. He makes it sound like the guy was intentionally looking for minors to sleep with or something

The judge is either an incel or a woman that got ghosted after a hook up

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:03:36 PM
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If she lied about her age, she raped him
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LinkPizza
04/12/23 12:04:31 PM
#25:


The judge sucks for sure. Even the girl and her mom nothing should happen to him since he didnt do anything wrong

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epik_fail1
04/12/23 12:05:52 PM
#26:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
If she lied about her age, she raped him

Ok. You are exagerating a little

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:06:18 PM
#27:


No
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epik_fail1
04/12/23 12:10:21 PM
#28:


Would you feel the same way if the genders were reversed?

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:16:24 PM
#29:


Yes
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remandramdoll
04/12/23 12:20:25 PM
#30:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
If she lied about her age, she raped him
Even for shitty Kloe_Rinz takes, this is so fucking awful and so ridiculous I feel insulted to be a member of the same species as you

This take is so hot it would melt the sun

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:23:33 PM
#31:


Not surprised gunplagirl doesnt understand what consent consists of

lying to someone to have sex with someone under false pretenses isnt a good thing and is actually rape
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Baha05
04/12/23 12:25:03 PM
#32:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Not surprised gunplagirl doesnt understand what consent consists of

lying to someone to have sex with someone under false pretenses isnt a good thing and is actually rape
I thought gunpla was banned?

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:25:52 PM
#33:


She was but she couldnt resist and made another alt to come back and shitpost some more. Its remandramdoll
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-Unowninator-
04/12/23 12:27:45 PM
#34:


Yikes, that Family Guy episode was right. "Once the girl confesses your age, that's it, you're guilty."

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remandramdoll
04/12/23 12:32:15 PM
#35:


Kloe_Rinz posted...

Implying I'm a rapist isn't winning you any points. But I'm sure you still think trans people who are stealth hiding that info from people during hookups is also rape, and I'm sure you wouldn't think it's rape if someone lied about their political affiliation. Because why would you have any consistency at all?

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:33:22 PM
#36:


Implying you're a rapist? Who did that? Why are you lying?

Unless you took that to mean that you have lied to someone in order to sleep with them, and that I somehow knew about it and was referring to it? Because I didn't. But is that what you are admitting?
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Shamino
04/12/23 12:34:56 PM
#37:


What dating app did he use? And how old was the girl?

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Full_Pokedex
04/12/23 12:37:41 PM
#38:


Maybe dating sites should make users post verification to prove they're the age they say they are.

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remandramdoll
04/12/23 12:37:51 PM
#39:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Implying you're a rapist? Who did that? Why are you lying?
You said i don't know what consent is, the implication is pretty damn clear when your next post was also mocking me.

Don't worry, I won't be bothering to check your account but if you do get warned and someone makes a topic about you I'll be sure to let them know why you're gone.

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 12:38:42 PM
#40:


remandramdoll posted...
You said i don't know what consent is,
You've proven that ITT by saying that lying to someone in order to sleep with them isn't rape. It's right there in post 30. Your direct disagreement with the sentiment.
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Shamino
04/12/23 12:39:14 PM
#41:


Full_Pokedex posted...
Maybe dating sites should force users to post verification to prove they're the age they say they are.

Yup, which is why I was curious what site he used. It's bs if the site claims its an adult dating site and then minors use it.

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Kimbos_Egg
04/12/23 12:40:46 PM
#42:


remandramdoll posted...
Even for shitty Kloe_Rinz takes, this is so fucking awful and so ridiculous I feel insulted to be a member of the same species as you

This take is so hot it would melt the sun

rape by deception exists though

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DirkDiggles
04/12/23 12:44:54 PM
#43:


Judge vacated his sentence. He only has probation to do. If he completes his probation without getting arrested, it will be completely wiped like he never done anything.

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Bigpapaplut
04/12/23 12:46:00 PM
#44:


Anyone who lies and deceives to get sex is a rapist. There is no exception

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NoxObscuras
04/12/23 1:01:37 PM
#45:


Shamino posted...
Yup, which is why I was curious what site he used. It's bs if the site claims its an adult dating site and then minors use it.
He used "Hot or Not" which allowed users aged 13 and up. According to Google, it prevented adults from interacting with any minors, but it didn't do much to verify ages. So not surprising that she was able to effortlessly lie about her age on that app.

Oh and to answer your earlier question, she was 14, but on the app she said she was 17.

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sparky2658
04/12/23 1:06:06 PM
#46:


famfam posted...
do you believe that someone is responsible for breaking the law even if they didn't know what they were doing was a crime?
Frankly I don't believe the law is benevolent.

I'm of the stance that lying about your age should be a crime as well. Especially given their ages aren't really far apart.

If this was some 40 year old, I'd have a different opinion.
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epik_fail1
04/12/23 1:13:58 PM
#47:


Shamino posted...
What dating app did he use? And how old was the girl?

Pretty sure it was Tindr. No clue for the age though

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epik_fail1
04/12/23 1:15:02 PM
#48:


Bigpapaplut posted...
Anyone who lies and deceives to get sex is a rapist. There is no exception

I think a 40 years old who pretend to be 30 to hook up with a 28 years old is very cringe, but I would not call that rape

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Kloe_Rinz
04/12/23 1:16:18 PM
#49:


epik_fail1 posted...
I think a 40 years old who pretend to be 30 to hook up with a 28 years old is very cringe, but I would not call that rape
would the 28 year old have consented if the other person was 40 and not 30?
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VampireCoyote
04/12/23 1:16:54 PM
#50:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
If she lied about her age, she raped him


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epik_fail1
04/12/23 1:25:36 PM
#51:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
would the 28 year old have consented if the other person was 40 and not 30?

Maybe not. But it happened to me when I was 28 about 6 years ago. I kinda got a red flag when he didn't knew who Bulbasaur is. We fucked because I was bored and I consented. I just did not call back.

At the same time I thought "if he lies about that, what else does he lie about?"

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