Current Events > Waitress angry at only getting a $70 tip from Europeans.

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You start paying servers 10-15/hour, all you're doing is ensuring mid tier service. Those are high school wages.

if europeans are gonna shit on americans for not respecting european cultural traditions and etiquette when they travel abroad, the reverse should be true too, js

is it customary for waiters and waitresses to share their tips with the rest of the staff like the dishwashers or cooks? Tipping would make more sense if everybody saw a piece imo

When did 20% become customary

When did 20% become customary

Outcome #2 - Employers actually pay people a living wage. Which in turn you pay more for drinks and food then you would have initially.

We call this basic economy.

Places that don't have a customary tipping culture pay less for food than in the US anyways.

This. Anyone who has worked a waiter job before that relies on tips knows this.

All non tippers are doing is taking up space for someone who will actually tip better

Mid tier service? You mean I might have to wait a little longer to get my drink refilled or an order put in? Oh the horror!

Never.

They are taking up space, for people who would give her a real tip.

17-20 percent is fairly standard these days

Tipping is weird. You're not entitled to any tips, but it's also expected?

Employers should ideally just pay their workers a real hourly rate. But we're so far down the rabbit hole that this is the norm. Kind of stupid, really.

I've been working for tips my whole life, I'm long past the point of complaining over a stiff. For every table I shrug off from an airball I make better on the next 3 with my attitude.

She isn't owed a $140 tip. I'm also confident this waitress isn't tipping people 20% at jobs that make less than her and see no tip at all.

I personally don't mind tipping culture, because it means a lot of servers can make way more than what a living wage would be if tipping was banned and restaurants were tasked with paying a "living wage". Though that is my opinion, I have not backed it up with research.

When people bash tipping culture, it's specifically the culture that's being bashed. Not tipping in itself.

I see no issue with those who want to tip. It's the entitled types like that waitress is what people are bashing when they refer to tipping culture. She thought she was entitled to a $140 tip.

People say to pay them a fair wage, but I remember there was a paper regarding tipping and in the end servers, on average, get paid higher through the tipping system than if they were on a normal salary wage hence why it's still very prevelant.

As a European living in America, I dont even bother tipping. Its not my job to pay staff the right wage. Its the business job. If you tip, you are actively encouraging restaurants to not pay stuff good wage.

Also, cant wait for robots to take over these kind of jobs..

I don't understand why so many people are shitting on them for a $70 tip. That's a huge amount of money for a few hours work. Especially when you realize that she likely had 3+ other tables that also tipped.

lol you think restaurant would pay their employees of their own free will if not forced

Maybe its just me, but $70 is a good amount Even thought the bill was $700, that probably shouldnt matter that much since the amount of the tip is the important part, right?

What I mean if it would have been worse if you had a different group whose bill came out to $60 and they tipped $20. Sure, they tipped 33% of they bill, but it was less overall But $70 seems like a good amount for one group where you didnt Have to do much

Thats how places outside of America actually work. They get standardized pay and better benefits.

But go on, keep tipping if you want. Youre paying someone instead of the restaurant owners. Its one of the biggest scams there is.

If you just look at it as $70 vs $20 then sure. But that's not how the system works when when servers have to cash out other aspects of the bar/restaurant based on percentage of total sales it starts to fall apart.

If you just look at it as $70 vs $20 then sure. But that's not how the system works when when servers have to cash out other aspects of the bar/restaurant based on percentage of total sales it starts to fall apart.

No, it's not. Stop parroting this bs, because that's how bs makes it into the world, like the ok-sign being supposedly racist somehow, just because some online community thought it would be awesome and hilarious to say so.

How are you confident in that? I know I tip more than 20% when I eat out because as a server, i understand it. There are many servers who would do the same. Then again, i know few servers who wouldn't give shit. I know my best friend, a cook does.

Hell, my favorite customers are servers. I've had servers from a restaurant down the street and they all come in handing money like they were emptying out all their tips.

Tipping is stupid

This...my cousin was a chef, and he always considers even 20% low. He always tips much higher. But I don't think anybody should feel they HAVE to tip more than 20%. I will if they were super nice though

Everyone talking about the complicated behind the scenes systems of how tipping works and all that shit.

It is not the patron's job to understand such extremely complicated matters. Especially not "foreign" patrons.

Does it really fall apart? At the end of the day, I feel the amount is the important part Id rather have a $70 tip instead of 2 $20 tips In the end, its not like its happening with every customer It happened with one group of people

It's also not the customers responsibility to make sure she makes more than any other minimum wage job. As fun fact people seem to not know, her employer is still forced to pay minimum wage if she gets no tips.

20% my whole life has always been the standard for tipping. I was born in the 90s. I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe it's different in New York?

Unless math systems around the world are as bad as Americas I doubt that.

You have a painfully nave world view if you think tipping severs in America is 'one of the biggest scams there is'.

Could you explain what Im not getting about the system, then? I just dont understand why $70 isnt better than $20 or $40 tips I dont understand why servers are mad about bad percentages if the tip amount is still better

People understand they get paid minimum wage regardless.

Arguing that tipping is a s***ty system while leaning on an even s***tier system of 'because minimum wage' as a defense is just... Asinine.

If the tipping system in North America was ethered and everything was redone from the ground up so that people in the service industry get paid a fair living wage then a $700+$70 bill becomes and $825-850 bill but the client pay goes direct to the owner I guess everyone would be happy then.

If the tipping system in North America was ethered and everything was redone from the ground up so that people in the service industry get paid a fair living wage then a $700+$70 bill becomes and $825-850 bill but the client pay goes direct to the owner I guess everyone would be happy then.

The best way to fight tipping culture is to always order take out or, even better, cook at home.