Poll of the Day > my primary vehicle is probably worth more than yours

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Clench281
03/16/23 9:11:57 PM
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on 4 wheels, a typical diesel city bus costs $500,000+

and on rails, a transit system train car can cost millions of dollars

checkmate car owners


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LinkPizza
03/16/23 9:12:31 PM
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The vehicle I currently use is pretty cheap

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Lokarin
03/16/23 9:16:29 PM
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Mines worthless

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DirtBasedSoap
03/16/23 9:19:00 PM
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I drive a 1 million dollar car so no, i dont think so, pal. Nice try though!!!!

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faramir77
03/16/23 9:49:03 PM
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I, too, was once a member of the 40 foot limo club.

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Zareth
03/16/23 10:00:23 PM
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Only Clench could turn "I'm a bus driver" into a flex

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ReturnOfFa
03/16/23 11:06:39 PM
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i gota whole lotta nothin!

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Pikazard1
03/17/23 12:53:00 AM
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thats just fine, I dont have a vehicle or a license. but I use Uber quite a bit

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CarefreeDude
03/17/23 1:28:21 AM
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The Caterpillar 994K loader I drive beats your bus. And could lift your bus

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Zareth
03/17/23 1:29:50 AM
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Fun fact: Any trucker who owns their own truck is at least a millionaire

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Clench281
03/17/23 4:50:15 AM
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Zareth posted...
Only Clench could turn "I'm a bus driver" into a flex

I never said I'm the driver

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adjl
03/17/23 9:15:49 AM
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But it's not yours. If you had a friend that drove you everywhere in a Lamborghini, you wouldn't say that the Lamborghini was your primary vehicle.

Sure, effective public transit is worlds better than personally driving everywhere in pretty much every conceivable way for the vast majority of people (and if not necessarily on an individual level, the benefits on a societal level easily outweigh any personal issues), but this is a weird way of trying to dunk on personal cars when there are so many other issues you could point out.

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Blightzkrieg
03/17/23 10:41:11 AM
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Mooom, Clonch is being weirdly insecure again

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adjl
03/17/23 10:43:09 AM
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As much as I know that the appropriate way to extend words in writing is to repeat the vowels like that, I cannot read "mom" extended in such a manner without reading it as "moom" on the first pass.

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Clench281
03/17/23 10:44:31 AM
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adjl posted...
But it's not yours. If you had a friend that drove you everywhere in a Lamborghini, you wouldn't say that the Lamborghini was your primary vehicle.

Sure, effective public transit is worlds better than personally driving everywhere in pretty much every conceivable way for the vast majority of people (and if not necessarily on an individual level, the benefits on a societal level easily outweigh any personal issues), but this is a weird way of trying to dunk on personal cars when there are so many other issues you could point out.

Thought experiment: If someone owned a bike of their own but also used bikeshare for 90% of their trips, would you agree it would be perfectly acceptable for them to say their primary bike is the bikeshare one?

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adjl
03/17/23 11:02:00 AM
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Clench281 posted...
Thought experiment: If someone owned a bike of their own but also used bikeshare for 90% of their trips, would you agree it would be perfectly acceptable for them to say their primary bike is the bikeshare one?

No, for the same reason. If somebody starts saying "my bike" in talking about a bikeshare bike, they're obviously wrong. The bikeshare is their primary means of getting around by bike, but not their primary bike. The method of transportation can be identified as theirs (by virtue of being a decision they have made), but not the object itself (by virtue of belonging to somebody else).

A bikeshare actually nicely illustrates another issue with this concept beyond the question of ownership, which is the question of consistency: If you're using a bikeshare, there's a pretty substantial chance that you'll make dozens of trips without using the same bike twice. To say "this is my primary bike" about a bike you've literally never ridden before is very obviously silly, even if it's identical to the one you rode that morning (or even to the one you actually own, if you purchased the same model as the bikeshare uses for whatever reason). The same issue applies to buses, trains, and other forms of public transit, though it's less pronounced because the turnover is so much lower.

More than being logically valid or correct or anything like that, though, it's just plain weird. Saying "this is my bus" as equivalent to "this is the bus I am planning to take, so I must now board it" is common, but that's very obviously an idiom and not in any way equivalent to saying "this is my car," which is the equivalency this topic presents. Expressing a sense of ownership of a public transit vehicle stops really being acceptable when you stop being young enough that people will chuckle at you for being cute.

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Clench281
03/17/23 11:50:34 AM
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adjl posted...
No, for the same reason. If somebody starts saying "my bike" in talking about a bikeshare bike, they're obviously wrong.

In the original example/title, "my" is not referring to ownership of the vehicle. It's pointing out who we're talking about. A secondary "my" would be needed to make it like your example, "my primary vehicle is my car/bike/whatever"

The rest of your post depends on that same misunderstanding, so I'll ignore that

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Jen0125
03/17/23 11:59:41 AM
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It's not your primary vehicle though. It's not yours. It's your primary mode of transportation. I mean I guess though we pay taxes that pay for the bus. So maybe it is your bus?
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JOExHIGASHI
03/17/23 12:03:02 PM
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I use the Earth to orbit the sun

Checkmate

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wwinterj25
03/17/23 12:13:25 PM
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It is as I don't have one.

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adjl
03/17/23 12:18:03 PM
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Clench281 posted...


In the original example/title, "my" is not referring to ownership of the vehicle. It's pointing out who we're talking about. A secondary "my" would be needed to make it like your example, "my primary vehicle is my car/bike/whatever"

"My primary *object*" indicates ownership of the object. "My primary *decision*" indicates ownership of the decision. "Vehicle" is an object (or class of objects), so if you talk about your primary vehicle, you are talking about your vehicle (note that the adjective can be removed without changing the fundamental semantic structure of the phrase). "Mode of transportation" is a decision, so if you talk about your primary mode of transportation, you're talking about your decision about how to get around.

Mostly, your problem is that you're using the word "vehicle" when you actually mean "mode of transportation." You don't own the vehicle. You do own the decision to use that vehicle to get around. "My primary mode of transportation is my car" is valid for communicating both the ownership of the car and the decision to use it to get around. "My primary vehicle is my car" carries the hidden third semantic piece of implying the existence of more vehicles that you own, then identifying your car as the one you use most often.

Basically, "my primary vehicle is somebody else's bus" doesn't really work at any level (except vaguely implying that you're a bus thief, I guess). Whatever logical gymnastics you manage to pull off in trying to pretend that it does work, it still doesn't work at all for attacking the sense of self-worth that anyone has attached to the value of a car that they own. "You're going to feel like I totally burned you if you interpret this awkwardly worded sentence in exactly the non-standard way that I want you to interpret it" doesn't exactly make for the most robust insult.

Clench281 posted...
The rest of your post depends on that same misunderstanding, so I'll ignore that

Not really. Most of the rest looks at the fallacy of using a singular, permanent(ish) term to refer to a collection of transient things. It has nothing to do with questions of ownership.

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KalloFox34
03/17/23 12:27:58 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
It is as I don't have one.


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DirtBasedSoap
03/17/23 12:38:02 PM
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adjl posted...
"My primary *object*" indicates ownership of the object. "My primary *decision*" indicates ownership of the decision. "Vehicle" is an object (or class of objects), so if you talk about your primary vehicle, you are talking about your vehicle (note that the adjective can be removed without changing the fundamental semantic structure of the phrase). "Mode of transportation" is a decision, so if you talk about your primary mode of transportation, you're talking about your decision about how to get around.

Mostly, your problem is that you're using the word "vehicle" when you actually mean "mode of transportation." You don't own the vehicle. You do own the decision to use that vehicle to get around. "My primary mode of transportation is my car" is valid for communicating both the ownership of the car and the decision to use it to get around. "My primary vehicle is my car" carries the hidden third semantic piece of implying the existence of more vehicles that you own, then identifying your car as the one you use most often.

Basically, "my primary vehicle is somebody else's bus" doesn't really work at any level (except vaguely implying that you're a bus thief, I guess). Whatever logical gymnastics you manage to pull off in trying to pretend that it does work, it still doesn't work at all for attacking the sense of self-worth that anyone has attached to the value of a car that they own. "You're going to feel like I totally burned you if you interpret this awkwardly worded sentence in exactly the non-standard way that I want you to interpret it" doesn't exactly make for the most robust insult.


imagine actually typing this all out and posting it

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adjl
03/17/23 12:49:31 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
imagine actually typing this all out and posting it

Imagine actually typing this all out and posting it.

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SilentSeph
03/17/23 12:53:15 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
I use the Earth to orbit the sun

Checkmate
I hope you have planet-owner's insurance

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LinkPizza
03/17/23 1:42:14 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
It's not your primary vehicle though. It's not yours. It's your primary mode of transportation.

This is how I saw it

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Ferron
03/17/23 7:51:47 PM
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Zareth posted...
Fun fact: Any trucker who owns their own truck is at least a millionaire
That's right! If they own their own truck and use their truck for many years while never spending any of the money they earn, THEN they sell their truck at the end of all those years of working+never spending a dime and yes they'll be a millionaire! It's a really easy strat honestly I'm surprised more people don't do it.
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ReturnOfFa
03/17/23 8:42:12 PM
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oh right yeah I guess I drive a work vehicle lmao

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Zareth
03/17/23 10:41:14 PM
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Ferron posted...
That's right! If they own their own truck and use their truck for many years while never spending any of the money they earn, THEN they sell their truck at the end of all those years of working+never spending a dime and yes they'll be a millionaire! It's a really easy strat honestly I'm surprised more people don't do it.
Being a millionaire doesn't mean you have a million in cash.

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potdnewb
03/17/23 11:03:40 PM
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tc is thinking his work vehicle is his primary vehicle because it's the vehicle he drives the most while not having paid for that vehicle or being responsible for it's upkeep therefore he is better than others that paid for the vehicle they own and drive....hmmm....that seems a bit narcissistic
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Jen0125
03/17/23 11:15:15 PM
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TC is not a bus driver
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potdnewb
03/17/23 11:28:45 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
TC is not a bus driver
huh, so he is just a passenger that claims its worth as his own...?...
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LinkPizza
03/17/23 11:39:19 PM
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potdnewb posted...
huh, so he is just a passenger that claims its worth as his own...?...

Seems like it

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potdnewb
03/17/23 11:49:02 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Seems like it
if this is the case...hmm...why is tc like this...?
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Clench281
03/18/23 4:40:29 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
TC is not a bus driver

you just had to kick me while I'm down, didn't you

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