Current Events > Playing Kingdom Hearts 3 for the first time

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Played 1 and 2 before, no other games, so I'm prepared to be confused

Proud Mode I guess I may regret that

Proud mode is easy. It's basically normal mode.

Kingdom Hearts was never that hard except for a few of teh boss fights in the coliseum. Proud Mode is pretty easy. Also, the game is really fun for me. I suppose its sorta meh towards the end but I really loved the worlds except I wish they had done Frozen's a bit better...

Im sorry

This is a weird series that was loved and slowly just was more or less hated later...

Lairen posted...

This is a weird series that was loved and slowly just was more or less hated later...

Because most people skipped the games in between then got mad about it when shit got confusing.

Baha05 posted...

Because most people skipped the games in between then got mad about it when shit got confusing.

You can't really blame people for that considering how many damn systems they spread the games over until they finally released the collections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjiHufVEc7g

This might help

and if it doesn't help it'll at least entertain you for 30 minutes

ANort175 posted...

You can't really blame people for that considering how many damn systems they spread the games over until they finally released the collections.

I mean you still can cus even when collections were getting release Kingdom Hearts 3 still wasnt even out.

Baha05 posted...

Because most people skipped the games in between then got mad about it when shit got confusing.

To begin with, you shouldn't need to play a shit ton of side games just to understand the plot of the MAINLINE entries. That means your story is a mess. They should be side material that isn't practically required for the third game.

*has not played any KH game*

Super_Slash posted...

To begin with, you shouldn't need to play a shit ton of side games just to understand the plot of the MAINLINE entries. That means your story is a mess. They should be side material that isn't practically required for the third game.

*has not played any KH game*

Good news for you. None of them are side games.

Super_Slash posted...

To begin with, you shouldn't need to play a shit ton of side games just to understand the plot of the MAINLINE entries. That means your story is a mess. They should be side material that isn't practically required for the third game.

*has not played any KH game*

And yet all the games are a part of the main series and are released between titles. Thats how stories can work. Be like getting pissed and confused at Infinity War/Endgame because you only watched the Avengers movies and nothing else.

Baha05 posted...

Because most people skipped the games in between then got mad about it when shit got confusing.

The blame for that is on the creators. They decided to put out two big hits on major home consoles pretty close together, then for some reason decided that Kingdom Hearts would be a handheld series for like 14 years.

A lot of people (myself included) played 1 and 2 and loved them, but had no interest in the handheld games. Turns out the handheld games were canon all along, and when KH3 came out literally 14 years after 2, it was full of characters we didn't recognize and story themes we had never heard of before.

You can't jump a major franchise back and forth between stationary consoles and handheld systems and expect everybody to follow it.

Even though they put out the collections and story summaries and whatnot, the games were just handheld games ported to more powerful hardware. A lot of people still didn't care about those games.

The series basically shot itself in the foot by making everything canon. It did the thing that comic book publishers do, the thing that scares people off with hundreds of dollars worth of required reading just to follow the story of the major releases.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The blame for that is on the creators. They decided to put out two big hits on major home consoles pretty close together, then for some reason decided that Kingdom Hearts would be a handheld series for like 14 years.

A lot of people (myself included) played 1 and 2 and loved them, but had no interest in the handheld games. Turns out the handheld games were canon all along, and when KH3 came out literally 14 years after 2, it was full of characters we didn't recognize and story themes we had never heard of before.

You can't jump a major franchise back and forth between stationary consoles and handheld systems and expect everybody to follow it.

Even though they put out the collections and story summaries and whatnot, the games were just handheld games ported to more powerful hardware. A lot of people still didn't care about those games.

The series basically shot itself in the foot by making everything canon. It did the thing that comic book publishers do, the thing that scares people off with hundreds of dollars worth of required reading just to follow the story of the major releases.

Seems more people just want a reason to complain about being confused yet forget that where they complain the most gives them access to sources of information in regards to what happened between games. Hell I even heard of places that one can ask frequently asked questions on games to get answers. Some sort of Gamefaqs as you would.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Good news for you. None of them are side games.

Baha05 posted...

And yet all the games are a part of the main series and are released between titles. Thats how stories can work. Be like getting pissed and confused at Infinity War/Endgame because you only watched the Avengers movies and nothing else.

This does not change the fact that Square has handled the series terribly lmao

Super_Slash posted...

This does not change the fact that Square has handled the series terribly lmao

I mean they really havent. The worst they have really done is some of the teases for the next part of the series in KHIII

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The blame for that is on the creators. They decided to put out two big hits on major home consoles pretty close together, then for some reason decided that Kingdom Hearts would be a handheld series for like 14 years.

A lot of people (myself included) played 1 and 2 and loved them, but had no interest in the handheld games. Turns out the handheld games were canon all along, and when KH3 came out literally 14 years after 2, it was full of characters we didn't recognize and story themes we had never heard of before.

You can't jump a major franchise back and forth between stationary consoles and handheld systems and expect everybody to follow it.

Even though they put out the collections and story summaries and whatnot, the games were just handheld games ported to more powerful hardware. A lot of people still didn't care about those games.

The series basically shot itself in the foot by making everything canon. It did the thing that comic book publishers do, the thing that scares people off with hundreds of dollars worth of required reading just to follow the story of the major releases.

It's only been 17 years from KH1.
Anybody reasonable would understand how KH3 needs some basic story summary to refresh older players and let brand new players jump in. Anybody reasonable.

Anything below Critical Mode in KH3 is a joke. The game basically has three easy modes and a hard mode.

I'm not even doing a "git gud" thing. The game is boring as fuck to play below critical.

Baha05 posted...

Seems more people just want a reason to complain about being confused

They're complaining because they're confused by the story. They're confused by the story because the barrier of entry between KH2 and KH3 is 14 years worth of handheld exclusive stuff...

Might I add that the naming scheme if those games is absolutely ridiculous? People make fun of the Xbox for being hard to understand, but what the fuck is a 358/2 days? What is Birth by Sleep Re:coded?

They already did the confusing thing once between KH1 and KH2 by making 2 pick up after Chain of Memories. That was bad enough, but at least it wasn't that much of a detriment.

KH3 features while factions and story lines that take up a lot of screen time but nobody who stopped at 2 has any idea who they are.

What's the point of calling it KH3 if it's actually KH93.682/48 Re:Re:Re:coded Unchained

It's just too much. They fumbled the series on their own. It's the creator's job to maintain audience investment and make the games worth playing.

If the audience loses interest, it's not the audience's fault.

Baha05 posted...

I mean they really havent. The worst they have really done is some of the teases for the next part of the series in KHIII

But why would you make two majorly successful titles for the PS2 and then put 3 in limbo and release the rest on different handheld systems? I know they eventually made a compilation/collection, but the fact remains that for awhile that wasn't the case.

Also, isn't the story done by Nomura? He always makes convoluted shit.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Anything below Critical Mode in KH3 is a joke. The game basically has three easy modes and a hard mode.

I'm not even doing a "git gud" thing. The game is boring as fuck to play below critical.

I enjoyed it on proud, but I focused a lot on magic and spamming spells was pretty fun since they added those cool -za levels spells you could get for free sometimes depending on your accessories. Watching a group of enemies get nuked by an Aeroza or Thundaza was always neat.

Fun game

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The blame for that is on the creators. They decided to put out two big hits on major home consoles pretty close together, then for some reason decided that Kingdom Hearts would be a handheld series for like 14 years.

A lot of people (myself included) played 1 and 2 and loved them, but had no interest in the handheld games. Turns out the handheld games were canon all along, and when KH3 came out literally 14 years after 2, it was full of characters we didn't recognize and story themes we had never heard of before.

You can't jump a major franchise back and forth between stationary consoles and handheld systems and expect everybody to follow it.

Even though they put out the collections and story summaries and whatnot, the games were just handheld games ported to more powerful hardware. A lot of people still didn't care about those games.

The series basically shot itself in the foot by making everything canon. It did the thing that comic book publishers do, the thing that scares people off with hundreds of dollars worth of required reading just to follow the story of the major releases.

We know the "for some reason" on why the games were on handhelds and it's why the combat for KH after 2 sucks ass. The team behind 1 and 2 is called Tokyo Team. They were stuck on a project called Versus XIII and consistently pulled from that game to help push out the clusterfuck trilogy of FFXIII.

This would leave KH without a game for a very long time so the Osaka team was created to make KH games to continue the story. Since they were a team of newbies, they made handheld games. It's also why the combat for every KH from BbS and on is trash. They were all made by Osaka team. Including KH3.

Super_Slash posted...

But why would you make two majorly successful titles for the PS2 and then put 3 in limbo and release the rest on different handheld systems? I know they eventually made a compilation/collection, but the fact remains that for awhile that wasn't the case.

Also, isn't the story done by Nomura? He always makes convoluted shit.

Because unlike George R. R. Martin they took time to make the third game?

Also convoluted is just a fancy way of basically saying that one s not willing to learn shit about a series.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The blame for that is on the creators. They decided to put out two big hits on major home consoles pretty close together, then for some reason decided that Kingdom Hearts would be a handheld series for like 14 years.

A lot of people (myself included) played 1 and 2 and loved them, but had no interest in the handheld games. Turns out the handheld games were canon all along, and when KH3 came out literally 14 years after 2, it was full of characters we didn't recognize and story themes we had never heard of before.

You can't jump a major franchise back and forth between stationary consoles and handheld systems and expect everybody to follow it.

Even though they put out the collections and story summaries and whatnot, the games were just handheld games ported to more powerful hardware. A lot of people still didn't care about those games.

The series basically shot itself in the foot by making everything canon. It did the thing that comic book publishers do, the thing that scares people off with hundreds of dollars worth of required reading just to follow the story of the major releases.

Yeah this is exactly my problem with the series. 1 and 2 were on the PS2, but Chain of Memories was on the gba, Re:Coded and 358/2 Days were on the DS, Birth By Sleep was on the PSP and Dream Drop Distance was on the 3DS. Not to mention the mobile game. Why release games that were intended to be canon on that many different handhelds? It was a weird decision.

Lairen posted...

This is a weird series that was loved and slowly just was more or less hated later...

Only thing I hated (and still do) is that, up until a little before KHIII came out, in order to play all the games in the series, you needed 3 or 4 + consoles.

They shouldve never gotten involved with all the handheld nonsense and just stuck to making quality games on home consoles. Id rather have five REALLY GOOD games than two good games and five meh ones.

Im glad you can at least play / watch them all on one platform now.

rexcrk posted...

Only thing I hated (and still do) is that, up until a little before KHIII came out, in order to play all the games in the series, you needed 3 or 4 + consoles.

They shouldve never gotten involved with all the handheld nonsense and just stuck to making quality games on home consoles. Id rather have five REALLY GOOD games than two good games and five meh ones.

Im glad you can at least play / watch them all on one platform now.

You had like a 5-6 year gap between the 1.5 and 2.5 releases before KHIII though

rexcrk posted...

Only thing I hated (and still do) is that, up until a little before KHIII came out, in order to play all the games in the series, you needed 3 or 4 + consoles.

They shouldve never gotten involved with all the handheld nonsense and just stuck to making quality games on home consoles. Id rather have five REALLY GOOD games than two good games and five meh ones.

Im glad you can at least play / watch them all on one platform now.

Again, it's because Tokyo Team was stuck on Versus XIII and XIII and a brand new team was made to make KH games. Nomura felt they weren't ready to make a console game and rightfully so. The gameplay for all of Osaka teams games are trash. It took them up until the DLC of KH3 to make something decent.

It was a horrible and cruel series of decisions to put each entry on a different system (ps2, gba, ds, psp, mobile [Japan only], 3ds, mobile again but this time with gacha shit required to progress, ps4). Yeah you could get the collections later, but by then you've probably played one or two of the games in them so you were essentially paying for the same games again just for the one entry you missed. Also if you did play them all as they came out, you STILL had to get the collections because the final mixes all have new canon cutscenes and lore.

But in the end, playing all the "side" games doesn't magically fix the plot or storytelling. You may recognize the characters, but that doesn't fix that there are two different characters named Ansem, one of whom is also like fifteen other characters. Or that many of the things we're told are retconned ("the" keyblade, nobodies don't have hearts, Ansem again) and it's just played as unreliable narration. Or that time travel has absolutely bizarre rules that people break anyway. Or that the whole plot of DDD is to gain the Power of Waking, but they don't explain what that power is or does until the next game when Xehanort is correcting Sora about what it is. And even then, Sora uses it for a completely different purpose?

The story is a trainwreck whether you play three games or eight.

Baha05 posted...

You had like a 5-6 year gap between the 1.5 and 2.5 releases before KHIII though

Nah. The separate releases of 1.5 and 2.5 didn't cover everything. It wasn't until the end of 2018 (a few months before KH3) that we got The Story So Far, which included everything in one big bundle. Hell, if you were in Canada or Europe, then The Story So Far actually released after Kingdom Hearts 3

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's just too much. They fumbled the series on their own. It's the creator's job to maintain audience investment and make the games worth playing.

This, and even if the players did bother to put in the time understanding it the overall story isn't even good. Same for most of the games even as well.

KH1 and 2 are still the best by a landslide.

NoxObscuras posted...

Nah. The separate releases of 1.5 and 2.5 didn't cover everything. It wasn't until the end of 2018 (a few months before KH3) that we got The Story So Far, which included everything in one big bundle. Hell, if you were in Canada or Europe, then The Story So Far actually released after Kingdom Hearts 3

I mean it did, the only game that didnt get covered was the 2.8 set which was a later release.

Its wild that there are people here defending Kingdom Hearts bullshit. Even the most hardcore fans, myself included, wont defend how poorly handled this series is. The story is convoluted to the point where its comical.

Scarecrow17 posted...

Its wild that there are people here defending Kingdom Hearts bullshit. Even the most hardcore fans, myself included, wont defend how poorly handled this series is. The story is convoluted to the point where its comical.

Again if you dont get it you dont get it.

Baha05 posted...

Again if you dont get it you dont get it.

Its not about understanding it. I understand the story just fine. I did play through all of the games multiple times. Its still unnecessarily convoluted and poorly explained at various points. If you want to defend what happens in Dream Drop Distance then go ahead, but you look like a blind fanboy doing so.

I had zero problems with KH2 despite not having played through anything else in the series. The story isn't why I like it.

That said, I GREATLY appreciate how they did this big epic story across several very diverse games. Platform complaints have been addressed.

Scarecrow17 posted...

Its not about understanding it. I understand the story just fine. I did play through all of the games multiple times. Its still unnecessarily convoluted and poorly explained at various points. If you want to defend what happens in Dream Drop Distance then go ahead, but you look like a blind fanboy doing so.

And by that post you look like someone lacking skill there.

I thought the story was convoluted and confusing even when there were only 2 Kingdom Hearts games in existence.

:/

Hornswoggled posted...

I thought the story was convoluted and confusing even when there were only 2 Kingdom Hearts games in existence.

:/

Skill issue

Yeah you really should have at least played Birth By Sleep first lol.

Baha05 posted...

And by that post you look like someone lacking skill there.

Nice rebuttal, champ. Even Nomura himself admitted in an interview that the story can get really confusing at times even for him but Im glad you understand the story better than the guy writing it.

Scarecrow17 posted...

Nice rebuttal, champ. Even Nomura himself admitted in an interview that the story can get really confusing at times even for him but Im glad you understand the story better than the guy writing it.

A story getting confusing at time doesnt mean convoluted. Plenty of long running stories can get confusing if you dont read key plot details or forget shit.

Baha05 posted...

Skill issue

Why are you doing this thing you're doing?

Baha05 posted...

A story getting confusing at time doesnt mean convoluted. Plenty of long running stories can get confusing if you dont read key plot details or forget shit.

Youre beginning to argue semantics at this point. In order for this to continue, you and I would have to agree on what is defined as convoluted.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Why are you doing this thing you're doing?

Because people dont know how to follow story telling of two games?

Scarecrow17 posted...

Youre beginning to argue semantics at this point. In order for this to continue, you and I would have to agree on what is defined as convoluted.

Then what are we defining it as?

Baha05 posted...

Because people dont know how to follow story telling of two games?

It's like 10 games though

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's like 10 games though

Yet the person I quoted argued it was convoluted at just the first two games.

Baha05 posted...

Yet the person I quoted argued it was convoluted at just the first two games.

It was getting there pretty early. The second game really added a lot of complexity by introducing the concept of Nobodies.

Baha05 posted...

Because people dont know how to follow story telling of two games?

Then what are we defining it as?

What does convoluted mean to you? Normally, convoluted is defined as complex and difficult to follow. Confusing is an adjective used to describe something as hard to follow or more complex.

If we were to replace confusing and convoluted in your post, it would read as A story becoming hard to follow at times doesnt mean its difficult to follow.

Now before you focus on the at times part of my original post, it is worth noting that Nomura never specifically said at times in the interview. That was paraphrasing from me. He actually says That always gets really confusing when hes talking about writing the story.