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That seems to be a more modern interpretation. The old belief was that all sin was a result of angels fucking human women. Animal sacrifice and such didn't work, so perhaps a god being sacrificed would end suffering?

Doesn't really make sense either but fits in with the historical perspective better

Like, there's a collision in a road killing dozens. People'll investigate to pin the blame to someone and that someone goes to jail. Something like that

That was an interesting read, now I get why Binding of Isaac DLC is called "wrath of the lamb" lol. Was Jesus down for this plan too or did some psycho make this up cause he wanted a reason to kill him?

That seems to be a more modern interpretation. The old belief was that all sin was a result of angels fucking human women. Animal sacrifice and such didn't work, so perhaps a god being sacrificed would end suffering?

Doesn't really make sense either but fits in with the historical perspective better

The old belief was that all sin was a result of angels fucking human women.

Everyone else just thought they were killing a random guy who was doing blasphemy/trying to overthrow the Roman and Jewish governments.

Jesus died for our sins.

But sin still exists, and you will be punished for it when you die.

The gospel books of the New Testament, understanding this ritual sacrifice context, describe Jesus as the most perfect sacrifice since he is part of God, unblemished by sin or transgression. His supernatural purity makes him a powerful enough blood sacrifice to undo any transgression against God. This is why he is sometimes referred to as the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.

You know what is crazy? Not the stories or the bible...but the people today that still take it to heart and live with those stories as their convictions. That's crazy. It happened 2000 years ago. 2000 years ago! We don't even know if Jesus existed. And even if he did exist, he certainly did not have any powers or was a son of god, etc. How come there aren't any magical people like that today? Where'd they all go?

There is a big connection between purification and animal sacrifice in the Torah. For example, a Jew was rendered impure by handling a corpse. The only way to purify was with the ashes of a red heifer that had been sacrificed at the Temple. Since the Temple is destroyed, all Jews are considered technically ritually impure. However, they keep to the purity requirements because it is God's law. It's also why traditionally a Cohen could not enter a cemetery and why their family are buried near the walls. It's so that they can still visit the graves of their loved ones without entering the cemetery.

When Hyrcanus III destroyed the Samaritan Temple in the 3rd century BCE, the Samaritans got revenge by leaving corpses in the Jewish Temple's Holy of Holies. It took a full year to purify the Temple, during which all Jewish Holidays were suspended. It's interesting to note that even today, Samaritans still practice animal sacrifice in Gaza.

But living sacrifice still plays a part in the Jewish faith as well even though it hasn't been practiced in almost 2000 years. Some nutcase wealthy extremist Jews and Christians put money into breeding red heifers alongside trying to get the Temple rebuilt, since these are believed to be signs of the Messianic Age.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/10/jewish-activists-crowd-funding-breed-red-heifer-third-temple-cow

Every year at Yom Kippur in Jerusalem, a few Jewish extremists will try to sacrifice a goat on the ruins of the Temple, but the police stop them every time.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/04/13/523770582/goats-are-rescued-on-their-way-to-being-sacrificed-in-jerusalem

So really, Christianity appropriated something that was already there in Judaism. But what else would you expect from a religion that originally started as a Jewish Messianic movement. It's not something they pulled out of thin air.

Didn't he die because of our sins? He got executed

I don't really get the logic

Most scholars agrees that a historical Jesus existed.
He was most likely just a guy that wanted a better world, and then more and more stories were added as time went on.
It existed many Messiah candidates back then, and people wanted one to appear.
One of them, John the Baptist, even appears in the Bible.
They all had their own gimmick. One could revive the dead. One could turn water into wine. One could cure sick people. Etc.
Did Jesus steal all these stories as his own?
Maybe.
My own theory is that he appeared at the right place and right time.
He wanted people to be nicer, and predicted about it. His followers saw him as Messiah, and he accepted the role to be able to spread his believes further.
His followers started to make up stories behind his back to make him look better, to get more followers. Adding the other Messiah candidates miracles probably happened after his death, either on purpose or by mistake (Hey, heard about that Messiah that cured that sick guy? Messiah... you mean that Jesus guy?).
As time went, more and more was added. And some got removed.
One of the NT books works really hard on trying to make the Romans into the good guys that were forced to kill him because of the "evil Jews".

You know what is crazy? Not the stories or the bible...but the people today that still take it to heart and live with those stories as their convictions. That's crazy. It happened 2000 years ago. 2000 years ago! We don't even know if Jesus existed. And even if he did exist, he certainly did not have any powers or was a son of god, etc. How come there aren't any magical people like that today? Where'd they all go?

I'm just about certain Jesus is mythical.

Guilt and Matrydom are powerful tools for manipulating people

its quite simple really: you sin, he dies!

No no no. He's already dead and he died for your sins. That's why you have to sin a whole lot otherwise Jesus died for nothing.

No, Jesus was a real person. That part is historic. WHAT he was and WHAT he did...WIDE open for debate, but you can't deny something happened for him to have had such an impact on the entire world. I'm not saying he's magic, but who the hell else besides Muhammed (no disrespect, honest) causes so much impact so long after they're gone..

No, Jesus was a real person. That part is historic. WHAT he was and WHAT he did...WIDE open for debate, but you can't deny something happened for him to have had such an impact on the entire world. I'm not saying he's magic, but who the hell else besides Muhammed (no disrespect, honest) causes so much impact so long after they're gone..