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MarcoRubio
03/14/23 2:47:00 PM
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We should stop playing them.

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Priere
03/14/23 2:49:20 PM
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Ol Jim still batching about losing subs?

I remember the big 900k sub special.

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voldothegr8
03/14/23 2:54:02 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/0/AADdfsAAD9Xe.jpg

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Powdered_Toast
03/14/23 2:56:49 PM
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No.

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kage_53
03/14/23 2:59:37 PM
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We should call them action adventure games instead of jrpgs.
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Mibahlzitch
03/14/23 3:09:56 PM
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You want to now just because a liberal said they didn't like something about them, with no other information? I'm not sure how to reply to that.

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bsp77
03/14/23 3:23:30 PM
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That was actually a fascinating video. I have also been thinking about this stuff recently. Thank you


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MarthGoomba
03/14/23 3:25:21 PM
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Yes

Just use RPG or ARPG

The "J" adds nothing

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NoxObscuras
03/14/23 3:26:22 PM
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I'll have to check this video out after work. It's also something I've been thinking about ever since we heard that some of the developers don't like the term.

It's tough for me, because it's my favorite genre and I like being able to differentiate them from other rpgs

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fhqwhgads
03/14/23 3:27:05 PM
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Yes it's a stupid term.

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Zikten
03/14/23 3:27:14 PM
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Console RPG and PC RPG maybe
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HudGard
03/14/23 3:29:12 PM
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Well we use anime and manga instead of cartoons and comics. Do Japanese have a unique term for RPGs?

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MarcyWarcy
03/14/23 3:30:30 PM
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i am not going to watch a jim sterling video so idk what shes saying about it but

japanese devs don't like the term because american gaming media spent like two decades using it as a term of disparagement. there's been a big flap of people dredging up old fucked up articles and videos from the 2000s-early 2010s where people are shitting on good games for being japanese. i guess its up to you whether you want to say it because i doubt most people would genuinely care at this point, but i get why a generation of people who made those games hate it because kotaku was calling them shit for not just making mass effect 2

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Zikten
03/14/23 3:33:19 PM
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As someone who played those games during that era, I wasn't even aware that people use it in a bad way. I always just used it just to classify it as coming from Japan but for me it was a positive
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MarcyWarcy
03/14/23 3:34:37 PM
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Zikten posted...
As someone who played those games during that era, I wasn't even aware that people use it in a bad way. I always just used it just to classify it as coming from Japan but for me it was a positive


in my experience normal people mostly just used it as an identifier, it was journos using it as a negative

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FelineCyborg
03/14/23 3:34:52 PM
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I remember following these vids since the escapism in 2010. what happened to the humor?

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NoxObscuras
03/14/23 3:38:18 PM
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MarcyWarcy posted...
in my experience normal people mostly just used it as an identifier, it was journos using it as a negative
Yeah, for example Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb would always shit on JRPGs whenever they had to review one for X-Play

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garan
03/14/23 3:38:38 PM
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Zikten posted...
As someone who played those games during that era, I wasn't even aware that people use it in a bad way. I always just used it just to classify it as coming from Japan but for me it was a positive


Same.

But then again, so much of 'gaming journalism' is an absolute shit show, so I don't give even half a fuck what they say.
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Jagr_68
03/14/23 3:39:12 PM
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JRPG is the only way I can label weeb shit without using the blatant obscenity itself so no.

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ROBANN_88
03/14/23 3:43:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
I wasn't even aware that people use it in a bad way. I always just used it just to classify it as coming from Japan

yeah, personally i see it as the difference between like Shooter vs Military Shooter
or Real Time Strategy vs Turn based Strategy

though i guess one could argue that's an antiquated term, seeing as the name would suggest ALL rpg's from Japan intrinsically follow the same mold

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Proto_Spark
03/14/23 3:44:42 PM
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I don't think there's necessarily a problem with just retiring the term, though it would need to be replaced with something else. And the video's suggestion of "turn-based" RPG isn't bad, though then there are some iffy ones in there. Though "Character-Driven" or "Narrative" RPGs are just bad.

There are multiple types of RPG for a reason, and the people who like Final Fantasy 7 won't necessarily like Dark Souls, just because they're both RPGs. I get wanting to change the name because the J can be misleading, but it still serves a useful purpose to explain a certain type of RPG and needs to stick around in some sense.

And this might be recency bias, but "JRPG" doesn't mean "RPG from Japan" its a very specific style of RPG. and is subject to whatever random trends the larger gaming community goes through. Of ****ing course Undertale is a JRPG. And like every other genre, it'll be subjected to whatever whims of the community think is cool at that moment. Open-World collect-a-thon Action games are ****ing everywhere right now, and most of them suck. But that's the cool thing right now so they'll be made until they aren't popular anymore.
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JeDDyD
03/14/23 3:50:37 PM
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TRPG (traditional/turn based) and ARPG (modern/action based)
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MEGAsoldier
03/14/23 3:57:50 PM
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No, there needs to be a way to differentiate between WRPGs and JRPGs, I would never want someone to mistakenly think I play shit like The Witcher
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ellis123
03/14/23 4:01:17 PM
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MEGAsoldier posted...
No, there needs to be a way to differentiate between WRPGs and JRPGs, I would never want someone to mistakenly think I play shit like The Witcher
Just say that you only play hentai.

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refmon
03/14/23 4:03:20 PM
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We should continue to call them JRPGs as a warning to potential buyers that the game will have awful tropes, bloated dialogue a dogshit story and annoying characters.

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TMOG
03/14/23 4:04:19 PM
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JeDDyD posted...
TRPG (traditional/turn based)
TRPG is already used to refer to tactical RPGs though
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CRON
03/14/23 4:04:45 PM
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refmon posted...
We should continue to call them JRPGs as a warning to potential buyers that the game will have awful tropes, bloated dialogue a dogshit story and annoying characters.


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Mistere_Man
03/14/23 4:08:25 PM
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Wrpg is western rpg correct? So why not Erpg for eastern?

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epik_fail1
03/14/23 4:08:26 PM
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I always called them rpgs(unless it the context you need to compare say tales of to the serious tone of the witcher 3 for example) and I have no clue why people fell the need to say that. I don't call Ori and the Blind forest a Wplatformer since it's not japenese or Resident Evil a Jhorrorgame.

Also I find it hilarious that I have never met someone call Dark Soulds or Elden Ring jrpgs even though they are

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awsomemanspiff
03/14/23 4:10:04 PM
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No JRPG is just fine and describes a type of RPG!

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Kloe_Rinz
03/14/23 4:13:54 PM
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People moved away from using JRPG as a derogatory term and instead call the people that play them webs. Still heavily racist so I understand why the devs arent fond of the situation. However in a vacuum I have no issue with using a country as an additional identifier on a genre
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epik_fail1
03/14/23 4:14:16 PM
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awsomemanspiff posted...
No JRPG is just fine and describes a type of RPG!


The majority of the time I see people describe Dark Soulds or Elden Ring, they call it action rpgs or open world rpg for Elden Ring. I have even seen someone argue with me that those games were "probably made by a western company like Ubisoft or activision"(ok this guy was an idiot though)

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MarcyWarcy
03/14/23 4:17:59 PM
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jrpg might have described a type of rpg years ago but as it is, very few games are released which fall under what it used to describe. Even if you're being reductive and using it to describe "anime style rpgs", Final Fantasy 7 Remake plays nothing like Persona 5 which plays nothing like Tales of Arise which plays nothing like Disgaea 5 etc etc etc

For that matter, "wrpg" or "crpg" barely works as an identifier anymore. I would argue that as a term became useless even faster than jrpg did in fact.


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TMOG
03/14/23 4:20:37 PM
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I personally stopped using JRPG years ago in favor of just saying turn-based RPG, especially since western developers (especially indie ones) make turn-based games as well and Japanese developers have been shifting away from the playstyle in favor of action RPGs. It didn't make sense to keep using a specific part of the world to refer to a genre when it had spread itself in that way.

If an RPG (be it turn-based, tactical, or action) like Persona 5, Digimon Survive, or Tales of Whatever uses a lot of anime tropes or an art style, however, I will call it "anime-style" or "anime inspired" or something like that. It's much more direct in letting people know what to expect going in. You can even apply this to non-RPGs like Danganronpa, Ace Attorney, or Astral Chain and convey the same meaning, so it works better as a wider content descriptor.
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Prestoff
03/14/23 4:27:59 PM
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Yep, not going to watch a Jim Sterling video, but I will definately say, when it comes to story telling or certain character archetypes, JRPG's tend to follow a certain design than compared to some WRPG. With that said, I do think with how varied video games are now we need to have more terms that better describe games. It will keep changing and I do think our terms need to change with the industry.

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Uta
03/14/23 4:36:28 PM
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The TLDW of the video

1) There was a solid decade of two where the term JRPG was only really used as an insult, and often in explicitly racist ways too.

2) Modern usage of the term JRPG is used pretty neutral, either used to describe a collection of tropes, or as a parallel to "anime".

3) They aren't sure if JRPG should be used or not. There are pros to using it, but Sterling feels the negatives currently outweigh it, and will try to avoid using the term from now on. They make no value judgements on whether others should do the same, but asks that people try for the heck of it.

I could recount the nitty gritty of their arguments but I don't think that would be too productive. If anything said here resonates with you check the video out. It's a pretty good one, and is different from their standard "Video game industry bad" takes that I usually see on their channel.

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Prestoff
03/14/23 4:45:35 PM
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Uta posted...
The TLDW of the video

1) There was a solid decade of two where the term JRPG was only really used as an insult, and often in explicitly racist ways too.

2) Modern usage of the term JRPG is used pretty neutral, either used to describe a collection of tropes, or as a parallel to "anime".

3) They aren't sure if JRPG should be used or not. There are pros to using it, but Sterling feels the negatives currently outweigh it, and will try to avoid using the term from now on. They make no value judgements on whether others should do the same, but asks that people try for the heck of it.

I could recount the nitty gritty of their arguments but I don't think that would be too productive. If anything said here resonates with you check the video out. It's a pretty good one, and is different from their standard "Video game industry bad" takes that I usually see on their channel.

Thank you for that, I'll give it a watch when I get home. If Sterling is changing up their content I might go back and watch them more on the regular. I can only take "vide game industry bad and evil" soo long before I just grow bored of the same thing being said over and over again.

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ThunderTrain
03/14/23 5:02:24 PM
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Seems like a non issue

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Uta
03/14/23 7:07:26 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Thank you for that, I'll give it a watch when I get home. If Sterling is changing up their content I might go back and watch them more on the regular. I can only take "vide game industry bad and evil" soo long before I just grow bored of the same thing being said over and over again.
Same. I actually like their content and think that's important to get these messages out there, but I seldom watch and won't subscribe because I just can't handle so much doom scrolling.

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DKBananaSlamma
03/14/23 7:11:32 PM
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What if we use JRPG without a hard R?

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Crimsoness
03/14/23 7:12:25 PM
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What about eurojank?

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DKBananaSlamma
03/14/23 7:15:18 PM
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Cuz theyre one of the good ones. Unless the rest of them

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KeeperOfShadows
03/14/23 7:33:04 PM
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ThunderTrain posted...
Seems like a non issue
Because it is.

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Mibahlzitch
03/15/23 3:07:02 AM
#48:


MarcyWarcy posted...
japanese devs don't like the term because american gaming media spent like two decades using it as a term of disparagement.
I admit I'm surprised to hear that, because I don't recall EGM or Nintendo Power or Game Informer doing that in all the years I read them, which was quite a few. I always personally took it as a compliment; the turn based heavily story and character based more linear RPG was a format I really liked and still do.

That being said, I am seeing a backlash now and I hate to spread a term people are going against. It's certainly a rug pull moment for me though since I used to say I loved jrpgs proudly, like "These games are awesome". Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy were an awakening for me as a kid, helpfully spurred on by Mario RPG being a fantastic jumping on point for a kid who used to just like platformers.

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Philip027
03/15/23 3:30:02 AM
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Mistere_Man posted...
Wrpg is western rpg correct? So why not Erpg for eastern?

Because nobody is gonna be thinking "Eastern" when they hear "ERPG"
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Back_Stabbath
03/15/23 3:42:32 AM
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i miss when jim stephanie was funny

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