Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 4: There Be Whales Here!

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SirChris posted...

Death does han saying he is very confident in ypu make you like him more or less?

Less.
But I feel there is a difference
Sultan comes across as shortsighted sure, but at least it does not read as nonsensical to me.
Han is just doing the Peaf thing from last game where he builds up justifications (or rather one justification) for a suspicion that started for all the wrong reasons.

Crescent-Moon posted...

This feels... Like Sultan is trying to fake outrage, and is going way over the top with it. I don't recall Sultan going from 0 to 100 like this.

Well his soul mate did just backstab him

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Ah good question - just didnt really make the incredibly obvious connection/equivalency there? But yeah Ulti looks just as bad from it.

Im very okay with pressure on Ulti as well given that my initial apprehension of him and my complete obvtown Ulti bingo card that just seems too obvious.

I already had bingo and his sultan vote just filled in the unfilled box of voting Chris target at the end of D1 (which was a specific box I mentioned was unticked earlier in the day)

Catching up. Halfway through the second page of this topic and I am already struggling, partially because I'm just not seeing what I think other players are? The Sultan mixup for what I assume is Ctes and JC was somehow not picked up on forever and then apparently makes him scummier? Idk y'all, that one feels like a Sultanism at that stage.

I am flip-flopping on Death a lil, definitely not as sold as I was yesterday? I'm really unsure on what to make of the impassioned posts, because I don't think it's something he does very often. That said... I don't think there's been anything wrong with the angry-ish posts? They aren't great, but they also don't twig anything in me. When we talk about Death flinching, I feel like it's more about him withering under pressure. This game he puffed up his chest and started getting mouthy - it's a tad atypical, but I can't truthfully call it scummy in itself.

SirChris posted...

No thoughts on why Sultan voted ulti?

This feels like a super glaring omission from JC's post

Well I am glad Ulti saved me the trouble of going through his posts trying to find if he ever mentioned anything bad about Sultan beforehand.
Though I suspect him obeying Chris for even a second still looks inconsistent.

Voting BCT is kinda useless tho.

SirChris posted...

Well his soul mate did just backstab him

I've never seen Sultan react that way ever so it's rather jarring

Crescent-Moon posted...

I've never seen Sultan react that way ever so it's rather jarring

I think I have but I don't recall when

Might have been against me

I also like that Sultan didn't just take the easy way out to vote me instead.

There definitely was once a game where Sultan lashed out against you yeah, Chris.

Has most everyone checked in and seemed mostly comfortable with the lynch options? Obviously missing BCT and MZero recently, and JC is catching up.

Outside of Ulti, I'm not really seeing anyone panic to move us in another direction. But I guess there's still time before end of day.

Idk if I'd call this outrage but I'm baffled! Like ulti went againt everything he stood for all day.

EDumey posted...

Outside of Ulti, I'm not really seeing anyone panic to move us in another direction. But I guess there's still time before end of day.

And what does that tell you?

Anyway you know what

Going with my gut

##unvote: sultan
##vote: han

I think han has tmi on Sultan if sultan is town or is covering for a buddy and he is trying to eliminate a strong player in death early.

Don't buy he could be that certain on death with the facts presented tbh

I suppose Wallmaster would be nice to hear from again.
Ctes too, but he at least has a vote down.

Also Ctes is posting here and there. It just falls out of my memory easily.

Wall is based.

True, but he would be more based if he could be there for the lynch

'Lit'
even

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Wall has pretty solidly remained in my veto pile.

Ulti coming in like a wrecking ball appearing to have no clue what to do is the most town ulti has looked all game.

He came back twice even when he could have just kept his vote parked on Chris

Though him trying to appease Chris worries me a little I still gotta say.

SirChris posted...

Ulti coming in like a wrecking ball appearing to have no clue what to do is the most town ulti has looked all game.

Actually... I think I agree with this.

htaeD posted...

And what does that tell you?

That scum is waiting for a special opportunity.

Death, why aren't YOU out here fighting to advocate for another lynch? It feels like you're delaying as long as you can to see if Town squirrels out to something else.

Let me ask, I'm not telling you to claim right now, but if push comes to shove, are you intending to wait until the final five minutes to claim?

htaeD posted...

He came back twice even when he could have just kept his vote parked on Chris

Though him trying to appease Chris worries me a little I still gotta say.

I feel scum Ulti is more likely to just leave his vote there than turn into a whirlwind of "What is Ulti doing"

EDumey posted...

That scum is waiting for a special opportunity.

Death, why aren't YOU out here fighting to advocate for another lynch? It feels like you're delaying as long as you can to see if Town squirrels out to something else.

Let me ask, I'm not telling you to claim right now, but if push comes to shove, are you intending to wait until the final five minutes to claim?

If there's something nagging me about Death it's that he's shown non-committal support to basically every train presented recently. It feels a lot more follow-y than solve-y.

Crescent, you were frustrated with Sheep early on because he had the responsibility to scum hunt but wasn't doing it. Do you feel the same frustration with Death here, or no?

oh ninja'd. That's happening a lot this game, huh?

If you have to ask what ulti is doing ulti is probably town lol

Anyway I am tired. I like voting han much more than voting death. Sultan I could take it or leave it.

I might be around or I might take a nap.

To be honest I dont know if I even see a better player to lynch right now than Han.
Though I guess I did lose sight of JC when he has hardly improved.
I no longer am sure that you are deliberate in your misrepresentation of me at least.
I certainly am not that inclined to lynch Sultan, and Chris I am in the process of ISOing (but too slowly I confess)

To answer your remaining question at least, I definitely dont want to claim because the votes on me right now all feel pretty lame to be honest.
But when push comes to shove I promise I wont keep people waiting til the last 5 minutes. More like the last 45?/30?

Crescent-Moon posted...

If there's something nagging me about Death it's that he's shown non-committal support to basically every train presented recently. It feels a lot more follow-y than solve-y.

Hey. My vote is on Han. I am committed to that, if that wasn't clear before.

htaeD posted...

To be honest I dont know if I even see a better player to lynch right now than Han.
Though I guess I did lose sight of JC when he has hardly improved.
I no longer am sure that you are deliberate in your misrepresentation of me at least.
I certainly am not that inclined to lynch Sultan, and Chris I am in the process of ISOing (but too slowly I confess)

To answer your remaining question at least, I definitely dont want to claim because the votes on me right now all feel pretty lame to be honest.
But when push comes to shove I promise I wont keep people waiting til the last 5 minutes. More like the last 45?/30?

Actually I think the votes on you have gotten exponentially stronger in the last few hours.

Also you said this 46 minutes ago:

htaeD posted... Well I guess my vote will be on Sultan at this rate.
But there is still time for anything to happen.

How much has changed for you?

htaeD posted...

Hey. My vote is on Han. I am committed to that, if that wasn't clear before.

Your vote's on Han but just 46 minutes ago you said you'd end up on Sultan. You only actually showed real resistance to it when called out for showing no resistance to anything.

A bit actually. I dont feel like the lynch has to come down to me VS Sultan anymore and Chris is backing me on Han again.
Then again Lea is back on me again.
But I still see this train against me as a forced one and I am surprised not everyone agrees.

htaeD posted...

To be honest I dont know if I even see a better player to lynch right now than Han.

Said Death never.

Make it a 9.5, Chris.

Also:

SirChris posted...

Anyway you know what

Going with my gut

##unvote: sultan
##vote: han

I think han has tmi on Sultan

This is the worst argument either of us has used all game.

Let's just take the facts for what they are:

1. Sultan is being typical Sultan
2. Chris is pretending that Sultan isn't being typical, or just doesn't know
3. Chris pretends or mistakes that Sultan has ever made a mistake in his life.

big yawn

Crescent-Moon posted...

Your vote's on Han but just 46 minutes ago you said you'd end up on Sultan. You only actually showed real resistance to it when called out for showing no resistance to anything.

Crescent that has such an easy explanation cmon
I said that because it looked like Sultan would be the player I had to vote to save myself at that time.
I showed resistance to that in that very post even, so I dont know what you mean with the 2nd sentence.

Like, Death, if you were Town, your response here is more "I reacted this way because I didn't understand, but after you explained, I see how you could do that, since this is very typical Han. I would rather you look in this other direction; for example, JC"

but you never actually were suspicious of JC and that's just theater

You want to hear something else Han?
I hope you are scum, Han.
Because if you're not you're gonna get a big blow to your cred if I get lynched.

So once again
Humor
Me

What will you do were I to get lynched (and thus flip town?)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Like, Death, if you were Town, your response here is more "I reacted this way because I didn't understand, but after you explained, I see how you could do that, since this is very typical Han. I would rather you look in this other direction; for example, JC"

but you never actually were suspicious of JC and that's just theater

I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HIM
Geez Han

Also I dont know typical Han well enough to make that call.
Though maybe I didnt notice because you never directed such a weird attack towards me before.

Probably revert on JC and then consider who else helped push you over the edge. I mean, I hope you don't expect more than that because it's day 1.

But uh, I hate to tell you this Death... but "Your reputation will sink!" has never been a good defense.

htaeD posted...

Though maybe I didnt notice because you never directed such a weird attack towards me before.

It's not a weird attack, though. It's a very normal attack.

A weird attack is "HAHA YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE YOUR CRED WILL BE IN THE GUTT"

oh I don't think you'd actually say you hope I'm scum in this situation, you'd just say that outright lol

Cliff's notes version please? I have the daunting task of catching up after a pretty full day.

I see Ulti is voting me for no reason.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Probably revert on JC and then consider who else helped push you over the edge. I mean, I hope you don't expect more than that because it's day 1.

But uh, I hate to tell you this Death... but "Your reputation will sink!" has never been a good defense.

Its not a defense I know. Its just how I feel right now: petty.

But you at least bring up a good point for me to tackle
Because I feel if anyone is being underhanded here about pushing me over the edge its Lea.
JC maybe too, but he couldnt have known it would go this far when he started the vote.
Lea was the one who made it seem attractive to vote me IMO.

Granted, thats mostly paranoia talking I think. But its something I want every town to keep in mind.
Well that and Han just being so so wrong about me.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

A weird attack is "HAHA YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE YOUR CRED WILL BE IN THE GUTT"

oh I don't think you'd actually say you hope I'm scum in this situation, you'd just say that outright lol

Again, not an attack. Just some unfiltered emotions

Lea posted...

Death, what do you think a non-lame argument on town you looks like?

I dont have descriptions in my mind. I just think Hans argument is pretty lame.
JCs wasn't all that hot at the start either.