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GavsEvans123
03/05/23 8:53:00 AM
#102:


Someday, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to guess Modern Times out next.

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Inviso
03/05/23 9:01:10 AM
#103:


Freshman was really, really lame.

It almost feels like they (or perhaps Brando) couldn't include an actor of his caliber in some screwball comedy, so they sapped most of the potential charm from the film.

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BetrayedTangy
03/05/23 9:34:02 AM
#104:


Inviso posted...
It almost feels like they (or perhaps Brando) couldn't include an actor of his caliber in some screwball comedy, so they sapped most of the potential charm from the film.

This.

Him being in it just feels like a novelty at best. So once you move past it there's like no substance to it at all.

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plasmabeam
03/05/23 2:10:09 PM
#105:


BetrayedTangy posted...
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Our largest bump (22 points) is right now, which means we're jumping up from Bottom Tier tonight!

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Johnbobb
03/05/23 2:11:16 PM
#106:


BetrayedTangy posted...
Him being in it just feels like a novelty at best. So once you move past it there's like no substance to it at all.
That was my thought. Like without Brando, the movie is just filler, like the goal was just to have Brando in as the main selling point, and then they just cobbled a movie around it

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Mega_Mana
03/05/23 4:15:58 PM
#107:


Let's try.... The Interview

Also, I think my one favorite part of the Freshman snoozefest was random baby BD Wong.

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Pokewars
03/05/23 7:47:37 PM
#108:


Guess the Interview

As for The Freshman, started off interesting. Plucky Broderick gets roped into some illicit activity but it just gets silly and too long focused on taming a komodo dragon with not much laugh out loud moments. Another wasted potential that surrounded an entire pitch meeting based on "what if Brando just did his Godfather schtick but for laughs?"

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BetrayedTangy
03/05/23 7:48:20 PM
#109:


26. The Interview (2014)
Directed by: Seth Rogen
Score: 206

Plasma: 6
Karo: 11
Johnbobb: 18
Inviso: 19
Tangy: 21
Suprak: 24
Pokewars: 25
Fortybelowsummer: 26
GavsEvans: 27
Myhtiot: 29

6. Plasma
Loved it. James Franco kills it here, and the whole scenario is ridiculously fun and hilariously wild. Franco becoming BFFs with Kim was gold, and I even loved the little details like the recurring LotR references. A

11. Karo
Two producers of a trashy talk show secure a much coveted interview with Kim Jong Un, only to become tangled up in an ill-fated CIA assassination plot.
It is noted for drawing the open ire of North Korea (which is something even Team America's far more insulting Kim Jong Fudd didnt), and lost its theater release because Sony are bunch of little bitches.
It is maybe a bit unnecessarily heavy on the crudeness in places, but it is still fun and enjoyable and certainly didnt deserve to be done dirty the way it was.

18. John
Most Seth Rogen/James Franco comedies are almost always a weird mix of super funny and super unfunny in waves. A room of journalists and show producers freaking out as Eminem casually outs himself had me cracking up, but 20 different poop and butthole jokes didn't do as much for me. The best thing about the movie was really just how much controversy it stirred up and how much it kind of proved its own point by nearly causing an international incident with its release. And while the movie is no The Great Dictator, I have to respect it at least a little for even attempting something so ballsy.

19. Vis
Im of two minds with this one, because on the one hand, the concept is great. You take a fucking Entertainment tonight-style journalist and have him be the ONLY person able to get a one-on-one interview with Kim Jong Un, because Un loves his show. But things spiral out of control when the CIA wants to use this unprecedented opportunity to assassinate Kim Jong Un. And then the whole thing devolves into buffoonery as Kim is trying to fake being a good guy for Western audiences, and James Franco is getting suckered in, and meanwhile, Seth Rogan is just exasperated and trying to get the plan to go off without a hitch. The ending is pretty solid too, with Franco seeming to fall for Kims tricks, only to swerve and reveal that he was a great journalist all along, getting the god leader to cry and shit himself on-camera.

That being saidits really hard for me to LOVE this movie, because it winds up being another Seth Rogan/James Franco vehicle. The premise is great, but it gets bogged down with what feels like contractually-obligated dick jokes, poop jokes, anal sex jokes, etcetera. Basically, the things revolving around North Korea and Kim Jong Un and the weird buddy cop energy going on there? Thats good. But the stuff that feels like generic frat humor? Not so good.

21. Tangy
Uggghhh this movie was so close to being great! This is such a great concept and I hate that it was wasted on Franco/Rogen and Im someone that can usually enjoy their movies! First off I want to give credit where its due, the actors bring some killer performances here. Randall Park is the clear cut star here, his insecure frat boy interpretation of Kim Jong-Un is perfect and literally carries the movie. Francos also great as Dave Skylark, he already has that douchey energy to him and it really pays off in spades here. I also want to give a ton of credit to Lizzie Kaplan as well. Her blend of sarcasm and subtlety is just perfect and she plays off the antics of the two leads so well. Its like shes winking at the camera with her line delivery alone and people do not give her enough credit for this movie.

Now for my issues. First of all Rogen is such a waste of a character I swear to god. I get hes supposed to be the straight-man to Franco, but Kaplan fills that role just fine on her own and frankly much better. But noooo, we need this whole lazy subplot about Rogen trying to get the job done. Like could you imagine if Skylark went over there alone and the only person trying to keep him on track is thousands of miles away? Thatd be amazing!

The other major qualm I have with this movie is the climax. The movie is literally called The Interview and they waste the concept by cross-cutting between this lame ass fight sequence and the interview itself. I wouldve actually liked to see a full debate between Skylark and Un. The whole damn movie is about the concept of honey-potting anyway. Itd be the perfect opportunity to throw in some critiques of the U.S. as well. I guess thats too much to expect out of a movie like this isnt it?

Biggest Laugh: I mean cmon its gotta be the Eminem scene right?

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BetrayedTangy
03/05/23 7:48:48 PM
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26. Forty
This was a revolution ignited with nothing more than a camera and some questions. Questions that led a man, once revered as a god among mortals, to cry and shit his pants. This is probably the most divisive movie on the list, mainly due to the controversy that surrounded it when it came out. Im not really interested in getting into the geopolitical aspects of it, and I think its an overreaction to put too much stock in what is just a mostly harmless, silly comedy movie. I dont think the material is proportional to the backlash that it received at all. James Franco and Seth Rogen do their thing here, lobbing raunchy banter back and forth and being generally likable dudes. I can fully understand if the humor rubs people the wrong way, especially Francos sometimes irritating and obnoxious character. While I lean more towards finding them funny, the gags wear a little thin after a while. Juvenile stuff like the package in the ass, Kims butthole, and surprise boners are always good for a laugh from me, but it gets a little overdone by these guys. The random gore was kind of weird too and felt unnecessary. Ill have The Interview pretty low, not because of any controversy but simply because I was underwhelmed by it.

27. GavsEvans
With the number of buddy comedies that have been made over the years, new ones need to come up with bigger and bigger hooks to stand out from the crowd, and they dont come much bigger than assassinating the living real-life leader of a hostile foreign country. They didnt even change his name to something like Him Long Um to maintain plausible deniability while still being close enough that we all know who he really is. Naturally, North Korea knew too, and they were very unhappy about it. In fact, they were so unhappy about it that they hacked Sony and made threats against them. Enough cinema chains were spooked into pulling screenings that Sony initially cancelled the film, before backlash from Americans, including then-president Barack Obama, convinced them to un-cancel it.

I went into all that because the controversy surrounding this film is more interesting than the film itself, which is an otherwise unremarkable buddy comedy starring James Franco and Seth Rogen. The duo play late night talk show host Dave Skylark and his assistant Aaron who go to North Korea to interview Kim Jong Un for their show, and are roped into an assassination plot by the CIA in the process. Our heroes eventually succeed in a fashion, after some wacky hijinks and a conflict that temporarily causes them to drift apart.

I thought that the film didnt make the most of its premise, and a lot of the jokes and plot beats were ones that could have been in any comedy film. To contrast, Team America goes further with its satire, no doubt helped by the use of puppets instead of live actors. Even if Kim Jong Un was an alien cockroach, I doubt he survived the explosion. That said, I did like the scene where Kim Jong Un goes berserk after the deaths of his bodyguards and Dave starts to realise that his friendly demeanour was just an act. That was an unexpected but welcome bit of tension.

I wonder what happened to the last ricin strip? We didnt see it again after Aaron was interrupted while trying to take it off, so I was expecting the film to end with North Korea being further destabilised and descending into civil war after Sook was accidentally poisoned. That would have been meaner than the ending we got, but also funnier and more satirical as a commentary on the US interfering in a foreign country and leaving without cleaning up the mess theyd made.

29. Mythiot
I have a theory that Kim Jeong-un didnt threaten the U.S. because the movie insulted him, but because it wasnt nearly as memorable as the movie that insulted his father. Ive got to respect a movie that has the balls to be about plotting and carrying out the assassination of a real living dictator, no fictional stand-ins, the real guy. Unfortunately, the film really drags between Jeong-un trying to make James Franco his Dennis Rodman and when the titular interview is actually carried out. A few funny sequences beforehand and an explosive finale arent really enough to make up for this films weak spots.

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BetrayedTangy
03/05/23 7:56:37 PM
#111:


Outlier Ranking

Mythiot: 35
GavsEvans: 34
plasma: 34
Vis: 32
Karo: 28
Suprak: 25
forty: 22
John: 19
Tangy: 13
Poke: 11

Not too much changes. Except Plasma takes a huge leap forward and Mythiot nudges into first.

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plasmabeam
03/05/23 8:36:24 PM
#112:


MORE PAYOUTS! Mega and Poke each cash-in big on The Interview's early drop (you two can thank The Plasma Bias for those meaty payouts). Also, Poke is on fire with three correct picks in a row.

VEGAS ODDS ON #25:

+600 Duck Soup
+750 Modern Times
+750 Spaceballs
+750 Not Another Teen Movie
+1000 Beverly Hills Cop
+1000 Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
+1000 Enchanted
+1250 Black Dynamite
+1250 Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping

+200 Any other movie (+2500 if guessed correctly)

Leaderboard:
1) Poke $2250 (+500 Mystery Men, +500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
2) Mega $1750 (+500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
3) Suprak $500 (+500 Mystery Men)
3) Gavs $500 (+500 Mystery Men)

The House Won On:
  • Stripes (+1000 odds)
  • Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein (+500 odds)



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Inviso
03/05/23 8:37:43 PM
#113:


Still guessing NATM.

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plasmabeam
03/05/23 8:43:14 PM
#114:


Gotta say I'm bummed to see The Interview land in the Bottom 5, but most of the complaints launched at it were pretty well reasoned, especially this one:

BetrayedTangy posted...
27. GavsEvans
I wonder what happened to the last ricin strip? We didnt see it again after Aaron was interrupted while trying to take it off, so I was expecting the film to end with North Korea being further destabilised and descending into civil war after Sook was accidentally poisoned. That would have been meaner than the ending we got, but also funnier and more satirical as a commentary on the US interfering in a foreign country and leaving without cleaning up the mess theyd made.

Not only was that a loose end, but the ricin strips in general should've had more impact/consequences. Yes, Kim's security guard friend dies as a result of eating one, but after the extra strips were introduced, I expected a bigger payoff. All we really got from them was that "Don't touch her with your right hand!" sex scene.

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Johnbobb
03/05/23 9:19:09 PM
#115:


Keep it riding until it comes up

Like does someone have NATM as #1?

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Mega_Mana
03/05/23 9:25:18 PM
#116:


The Interview is a movie I have very little memory of. The only two scenes I can recall with any clarity are the Eminem scene and the Firework scene. Other than that, I remember feeling underwhelmed.

Seeing it this low means I'll need to reconsider my bare memories of two other similar movies that I ranked lower.

I'll guesssss.... hmmm.... I was thinking about Borat, but those write-ups respect more ballsy skewerings so I'll instead go withhh..........

I'll go...

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fortybelowsummer
03/05/23 10:09:05 PM
#117:


3 in a row nice job!

I am trapped in the mire of Duck Soup.

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Suprak_the_Stud
03/05/23 11:49:59 PM
#118:


24) The Interview D+

I feel like I hated this more than I shouldve, and I put that solely on the shoulders of Seth Rogen. I have an irrational dislike of Seth Rogen and I have no idea how he became a big comedic actor for like a whole decade. I feel like he makes every movie hes in worse, and that includes this one. I have a lot of other issues with the movie, but honestly my main one is that Seth Rogen hasnt been good in anything since Pineapple Express and hes not even well cast for the character in this one. I was going to make a joke about how he must have dirt on whoever directed this, but a quick Google search shows it was Seth Rogen himself. I guess my point still stands. No one has more dirt on you than you, I suppose.

I actually think both Franco and Park are pretty good in this. Franco is almost impossibly stupid, but he always did that well and it was enjoyable enough seeing him buffoon himself through the movie. And, honestly, I feel like a movie with just Franco probably works better. Do you need Rogen to be the straight man for all of this when there are a half dozen other characters filling that role? Do you need a five minute scene of him shoving a capsule up his butt? Or a completely unnecessary sex scene which almost feel gross now that I know Rogen himself directed this? There is a lot of painful padding here, including a full romance subplot I could not have possibly cared any less about. Shes the propagandist for this horrible regime and Im still like hey, you can do better, lady.

I also think I was just sort of exhausted by the Rogen style comedy when this launched. This very much feels like Pineapple Express but worse in every single way and I didnt really need to see another one of these with worse jokes. I was doing laundry while I was watching this and I finished up about halfway through and found myself really wishing I had more laundry to help me get through this. Man, I wish I had more laundry is a thought Ive never had before, but thanks to The Interview I now am going to make sure I have an emergency pile of dirty clothes at all times just in case I run into another bland movie Im struggling to get through.

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Suprak_the_Stud
03/05/23 11:53:07 PM
#119:


With a bit of time between my big movie splurge over that last weekend...I do think maybe I was just a bit too hard on The Interview. I really disliked Rogen in this, but there at least some fairly enjoyable bits when Franco was carrying things with Park.I remember at least chuckling a couple of times, which is more than I can say about Stripes for instance. I probably could've moved this as high as 20 (just above Abbott & Costello) fairly easily.

Sorry Interview fans.

Oh and next I think I'll go with Not Another Teen Movie.

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plasmabeam
03/06/23 9:54:02 AM
#120:


Suprak_the_Stud posted...
I actually think both Franco and Park are pretty good in this. Franco is almost impossibly stupid, but he always did that well and it was enjoyable enough seeing him buffoon himself through the movie. And, honestly, I feel like a movie with just Franco probably works better. Do you need Rogen to be the straight man for all of this when there are a half dozen other characters filling that role? Do you need a five minute scene of him shoving a capsule up his butt? Or a completely unnecessary sex scene which almost feel gross now that I know Rogen himself directed this? There is a lot of painful padding here, including a full romance subplot I could not have possibly cared any less about. Shes the propagandist for this horrible regime and Im still like hey, you can do better, lady.

You and a couple others brought up Rogen's character being unnecessary, and I'm on board with that. He really doesn't impact the plot enough, and perhaps they would've done better to introduce Kim as soon as Skylark arrives in North Korea. Then just focus on the relationship between those two and expand the relationship and the movie's themes.

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BetrayedTangy
03/06/23 10:51:04 AM
#121:


25. Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
Directed by: Martin Brest
Score: 205

Suprak: 8
Inviso: 17
Mythiot: 17
Karo: 20
GavsEvans: 21
Tangy: 22
Poke: 22
Johnbobb: 23
Plasma: 27
Fortybelowsummer: 28

17. Vis
This was a fun little buddy cop movie without really having the complete buddy cop experience. You basically take a street-smart Detroit cop and throw him into the uptight world of Beverly Hills where theyre all by the book. First off, its hilarious to me that they paint the L.A. Police Department (Beverly Hills is PART of L.A., right? Im not completely wrong about how L.A. works, am I?) as following the rules and being against unjust attacking of detained suspects. Yeah, okay LAPD. But beyond that, it really is amusing to watch Eddie Murphys Axel Foley run circles around literally everyone in this film. Sure, he gets caught a couple times, but more often than not, he just makes the rest of the characters in the movie look foolish, which makes the comedy. The fish-out-of-water story works so well when the fish is the one outsmarting the rest of the water.

Also, I have to give a TON of praise to the ending, because it would have been SO easy to go the route of the captain is crooked and paid off, and its down to Judge Reinhold to be the lone good cop on the force. Instead, Axel drags the LAPD into a serious smuggling bust, and theyre forced to go along with it, and end up lying their asses off to cover the fact that Axel largely accomplished what they didnt even realize was going on. Seeing even the captain, and the stuffy sergeant get in on bluffing to the commissioner was so satisfying at the end, because ultimately, Axel was not TRYING to make them look foolish. He was trying to make them break the law and effectively behave like REAL police officers instead of the idealized version that audiences are conditioned to hate. In the context of a fictional story, its an enjoyable twist.

20. Karo
A cop from a Detroit ghetto heads to southern California to solve the murder of his best friend, of course against the wishes of his superiors because he's this utter rebel that somehow hasnt been fired yet.
What follows is a series of scenes where this random black guy busts into restricted areas and elite establishments and somehow doesnt end up shot by Beverly Hills PD, and busts a huge drug ring that every detective in LA didn't even have a clue existed because he's got them street smarts, yo.
The moral of the movie seems to be that a good cop should just ignore all the regulations of search and seizure and break unlawfully into private property multiple times because he has a hunch there might be drugs there because if you are a good upstanding citizen you should have no issue with the cops kicking down your door and going through all your shit. This kind of police propaganda narrative makes me very uncomfortable, and is the reason I greatly dislike so many cop movies/shows.

21. GavsEvans
I like Axel Foley. The opening scene introduces him well, establishing his unorthodox methods, leading into a fun chase scene. He doesnt do things by the book, but unlike most other fictional police officers who act on instinct, this approach doesnt always get results. Once the main story began, I wasnt as into that, but Axel remains an entertaining character throughout.

Possibly because Axel is so good, the other characters arent as fleshed out. The villain is obviously up to no good because of how arrogant and snooty he is, but he isnt as deliciously evil as the villains of contemporary action franchise Lethal Weapon. No DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY! here, sadly. Axels police colleagues tend to go things by the book, are frustrated with his antics and easily tricked by him, but they eventually lighten up a bit and recognise theres a time to act on instinct.

Here we have an example of just how much a great central character can elevate a film, as Axel Foley carries this film without him, it would have ranked lower. I also like the theme tune enough that I wont dock points because Crazy Frog covered it. Speaking of which, only while writing this did I realise why the song is called Axel F Im sure it was obvious to lots of other people before I figured it out!

22. Tangy
This was the movie I was the most conflicted about including in the list as I wasn't sure how well it would fit as a satire. I was pleasantly surprised at how it fared. The cops were enjoyably stupid and the movie even had a solid overall theme about helping people even if its against the rules. That said, this movie still needed to do more to be one of the greats. While there are bits of satire sprinkled throughout, this is still a cop movie first and foremost and that made it pretty boring for me. The plot is incredibly predictable and Murphy has to practically carry the whole movie on his back. He does a great job, but its not enough to make up for the bare bones script.

Biggest Laugh: Banana in the tailpipe, of course

23. John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qfMIhV1UJE

27. Plasma
Edward Murphy kills it here and theres a great banana-in-the-tailpipe gag, but the rest of this movie is oppressively meh. This one caused me to abandon our project for over a month. D-

28. Forty
Disturbing the peace? I got thrown out of a window! Whats the fucking charge for getting thrown out of a moving car? Jaywalking? I have never cared much for Eddie Murphy. Even good Eddie Murphy before he started garnering a lot of dislike for consistently being in terrible movies. Theres no denying that hes talented and influential, but his cocky loud-mouthed wisecracking just isnt really my cup of tea. With a few exceptions I dont like buddy cop movies either so, yeah, BHC isnt a favorite of mine. The movie itself is packed with cliches, from the car chase at the start, to the warehouse of illicit goods, to the damsel in distress, to the mansion shoot-out. I dont know how original this was in 1984 but none of it was very entertaining for me. I also feel like there was an opportunity for more pointed satire about race relations, but it took the low road, going for cheap laughs. On a positive note: the theme song is an all-time great one.

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BetrayedTangy
03/06/23 10:57:23 AM
#122:


Outlier Ranking

Mythiot: 42
Suprak: 42
Vis: 40
GavsEvans: 38
plasma: 36
Karo: 33
forty: 25
John: 21
Tangy: 16
Poke: 14

Suprak makes a huge leap up joining Mythiot in first. With Vis and Gavs right on their tail.

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GavsEvans123
03/06/23 2:08:27 PM
#123:


I prefer Lethal Weapon when it comes to 80s cop movies.

I'll guess Not Another Teen Movie next. I'm suprised it got past the bottom 5, but I don't think it'll get much further now.

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Johnbobb
03/06/23 2:11:15 PM
#124:


Woah what a swerve

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Mega_Mana
03/06/23 2:30:40 PM
#125:


I almost put down Beverly Hills Cop, but I thought it would be another two or three ranks before then, figuring a few highs but mostly lower mid.

I have Beverly Hills around a 9, and... mmm, it could be lower, but not past 15ish. The nostalgia is too strong.

Guessing Not Another Teen Movie, unfortunately

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Suprak_the_Stud
03/06/23 2:33:51 PM
#126:


BOOOO

8) Beverly Hills Cop - B

I had a huge amount of nostalgia for this movie going into it, and it was one of the few rewatches that wasn't really tainted. I mean, ok. This isn't the best movie on the list and it isn't the funniest and it is pretty safe overall. It does have shades of "replacement level 80s action movie", right? You know those AI programs that are like "hey we scanned all members of congress and this is what a composite of them would look like"? I feel like Beverly Hills Cop might be the end result of what happens if you do the same thing to 80s cop films.

But after getting used to what common tropes are in the genre now, this one almost felt refreshing. Do you know how excited I was when the twist was there was no freaking twist? When they actually just told this story they were building up and didn't go "HEY THE POLICE CHIEF WAS IN ON IT THE WHOLE TIME SURPRISED SUCKERS?" Was it a bit predictable? Maybe, but honestly I didn't care. Sometimes I just want to enjoy the story without trying to figure out who is who's secret twin brother twice removed from foster care, and I think they did a good job with what they were trying to achieve.

So, while it might not haven been something revolutionary, you know what I thought this was? Enjoyable. I really liked that opening chase scene and man do I appreciate some classic "hey lets just run into a bunch of cars" action scenes. Eddie Murphy is really good here and I liked the buddy cop dynamics with the Judge Reinhold and not Judge Reinhold. I'm not sure anything here was really laugh out loud funny, but it all fell into that next category of "smile out quiet" amusing. I thought the action and the comedy were well balanced, anchored by a couple of key performances. Simple formula but really well executed.

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Suprak_the_Stud
03/06/23 2:37:22 PM
#127:


I fully appreciate that I ranked Beverly Hills Cop ahead of several "better" movies, but I just enjoyed this more. Like Mana said, the nostalgia factor is super strong for me here, but I don't think it is just that. There were like three movies here that I remember loving back in high school that I would up ranking in my bottom seven so I wasn't giving everything a free pass. I just thought it was enjoyable and easy to watch and I had fun and I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY MYSELF TO YOU PEOPLE STOP ATTACKING ME

Uh what was I saying again? Also...

26. The Interview (2014)
Plasma: 6
Suprak: 24

25. Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
Suprak: 8
Plasma: 27

Hello rival my old friend...
I've come to counter you again...

(Predict Duck Soup for next)

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BetrayedTangy
03/06/23 2:56:24 PM
#128:


I really appreciate your write up on BHC. It did have a really chill, lighthearted pace and it's something you don't get to see as often anymore.

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plasmabeam
03/06/23 3:45:23 PM
#129:


Suprak_the_Stud posted...
26. The Interview (2014)
Plasma: 6
Suprak: 24

25. Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
Suprak: 8
Plasma: 27

Hello rival my old friend...
I've come to counter you again...

Even before I saw this post, I was thinking, "Damn, if only I'd ranked BHC two spots lower, I could've handed The Interview a respectable Top 25 finish and sent one of Suprak's darlings into the bowels of our list.

Don't worry, though. We're just getting started.


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Inviso
03/06/23 3:46:21 PM
#130:


Still guessing Not Another Teen Movie.

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plasmabeam
03/06/23 3:52:44 PM
#131:


At this rate, I'm gonna be building another casino with all the money wagered on Not Another Teen Movie. Seriously, guys, keep throwing your chips at it. Vegas loves your chips.

VEGAS ODDS ON #24:

+600 Duck Soup
+750 Modern Times
+750 Spaceballs
+750 Not Another Teen Movie
+1000 Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
+1000 Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping
+1250 Enchanted
+1250 Black Dynamite
+1500 Borat

+200 Any other movie (+2500 if guessed correctly)

Leaderboard:
1) Poke $2250 (+500 Mystery Men, +500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
2) Mega $1750 (+500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
3) Suprak $500 (+500 Mystery Men)
3) Gavs $500 (+500 Mystery Men)

The House Won On:
  • Stripes (+1000 odds)
  • Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein (+500 odds)
  • Beverly Hills Cop (+1000 odds)

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Pokewars
03/06/23 4:35:34 PM
#132:


Guess Duck Soup

The Interview is not as bad as I was expecting but it's still mild chuckle here and there without much else. Randall Park as Kim though was fun.

Beverly Hills Cop has Chris Rock (old joke; Disney gauntlet people know) who can get grating a bit but here he's cool. I was waiting for the parody part because it seems like the typical cop movie with a bit of humor thrown in. Not a bad flick overall.

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jcgamer107
03/06/23 5:58:02 PM
#133:


that's 4/9 I haven't seen that have fallen already, feeling better about my decision

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BetrayedTangy
03/07/23 2:52:15 PM
#134:


24. Return of the Living Dead (1985)
Directed by Dan OBannon
Score: 195

Suprak: 7
Fortybelow: 8
Inviso: 14
Mythiot: 14
Plasma: 16
Johnbobb: 24
BetrayedTangy: 26
GavsEvans: 28
PrinceKaro: 28
Pokewars: 30

8. Forty
Braaaiiiins! I only own a handful of physical movies these days, but RotLD is one of them. I love zombie movies and this one is a wild, kitschy cult classic thats a top gem in what is arguably horror's best decade, the 80s. Its silly, but also hugely important as it helped define the entire genre by introducing the concept of zombies hungering for brains. I believe its also the first example of zombies being impervious to headshot damage. The soundtrack is amazing, mixing creepy synth-infused music with a variety of gritty, aggressive rock subgenres like punk, death rock, and psychobilly. The acting is overly campy at times, and the ending is not very good at all, but the naked graveyard partying, gory brain munching, and over the top 80s schlock make it a definite classic.

14. Vis
Ive seen a decent number of zombie movies in my life (plus the entirety of the Walking Dead franchise), so it would be very easy, even for satire, for a film to talk a very cliched and standard approach to its storyline. However, Return of the Living Dead really impressed me in terms of its plotting. Having the characters openly discuss an existing zombie movie as a means for figuring out the rules to how zombies work was clever, and it made the subversion of those rules all the more terrifying. These zombies cant be killed by hits to the head, like one would expectand in fact, there really isnt a surefire way to kill them. As such, you have a cast of humans who are JUST forced to run and hide, completely defenseless throughout the entirety of the film. I think thats what makes the satire so effective: the audience (nowadaysprobably less so at the time) has an expectation of how to survive a zombie apocalypse, and the movie just demonstrates how impotent those strategies really are.

Also, while the zombies themselves are utterly disgusting (some of them, at least), I appreciate just how intelligent they are. Sure, it works for comedic effect, to have them summoning victims to them, but it also makes them scarier, knowing theyre smart enough to go toe-to-toe with the humans. And it gives them a genuine and understandable motivation: they want to eat brains because brains are like morphine to them, and temporarily help them forget about their pain receptors and how they can feel themselves rotting in the afterlife. All of this makes for a really solid film, even if I still ranked several others above it.

14. Mythiot
So this is where zombies eat brains came from! Very entertaining horror comedy in which carelessness with hazardous materials (used to destroy marijuana plants) causes the dead to rise, fully sentient and in the kind of pain that only brains can satisfy. Manages to be absurd and fun, especially when the individual dead limbs move on their own, and the cartoonish punks come into play, while being genuinely disturbing and morbid. Great makeup and gore effects as well. Is it sacrilege to say I prefer this to Dawn of the Dead?

16. Plasma
Satire or not, this is a good zombie story. You have two main plotlinesthe medical warehouse team trying to suppress the outbreak and the partying teens goofing offthat merge in a clever way. I love the concept of burning zombies and creating a dangerous acid rain that raises the dead. Thats more creative than what 95% of zombie stories offer, and I even enjoyed a few laughs along the way. C

24. John
Pretty decent movie, kinda funny, phenomenal 80s punk soundtrack. Trash deserved better.

26. Tangy
I believe this is my third viewing of RotLD and based on this ranking its pretty obvious that Im not a big fan of it. Yet despite that, something keeps drawing me back to it. Naturally the premise is super clever and is culturally relevant to the evolution of zombies in mainstream media. Im also a sucker for this films style, the zombie designs are great and they clearly made the most of its budget with set design and costumes that are so over-the-top 80's I can't help, but enjoy it. Once you move past that though this movie just kind of feels like a mess. Since the entire plot revolves around characters making dumb decisions, it becomes hard to be invested in said characters. Movies like Cabin in the Woods or Tucker & Dale work, because the mishaps are actually tied to the story as a whole as well as the characters' personalities. Whereas here it's done just to move the plot and jokes forward, which gets old fast.

That said I do really enjoy the zombies in this. They have a ton of personality and in a weird way they're cuter than they are threatening. In fact I think if they just made the zombies the main characters, I'd be so much more on board with this movie as a whole, but I do imagine they probably didn't have the budget for something like that so oh well.

Biggest Laugh: The zombies ordering delivery

28. GavsEvans
Man, the people in this film are dumb. True, horror characters are rarely beacons of rational thought, but the initial zombie outbreak is contrived even by the genres standards. The military misplaced zombie canisters and took the best part of 20 years to find them again. The recipient of said canisters doesnt report the error, instead showing them off to employees and then hitting them, which releases the zombifying gas. The canisters werent even well made and properly secured! Zombie outbreaks are usually caused by unforeseen problems, but this one was entirely avoidable.

Fortunately, the real outbreak isnt caused by stupidity, but by an attempt to remedy the situation which unintentionally makes thing worse. From there, the mortician and a gang of teenage punks must survive as the zombies try to break into the highly elaborate and grand morgue, which has opulent corridors and even a chapel. It must have been the same architect who designed the Raccoon City Police Department. At least theres no mucking about opening locked doors with arcane keys.

Unlike most zombies, these ones retain their intelligence, and successfully lure humans into traps several times. Admittedly, that isnt as impressive as it would otherwise be given how dumb the humans are. When the morgue car park is full of abandoned ambulances and police cars, with their occupants dead or newly recruited members of the growing zombie horde, maybe its time to stop sending more resources there? Just a thought. I did like the synth soundtrack though. It was appropriately spooky.

28. Karo
A group of tropey teenagers runs afoul of the not-so-dead thanks to some very poor life choices in this sendup of the zombie apocalypse.
Unfortunately, it is way too heavy handed with the delivery of its humor and its exaggeration of its characters, and the result is that it doesnt really work on any level whatsoever. These kind of movies are already generally extremely stupid, so making one that is stupid as a joke just seems... redundant.
It is just an uninspired and unfunny slog that is just as much of a bad piece of shlock as the movies it tries to make fun of.
Zombie satire has been done better. Much better. Many times. This shit can go straight back to the bargain bin where it rightly belongs.

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BetrayedTangy
03/07/23 2:57:06 PM
#135:


Outlier Ranking

Suprak: 59
Mythiot: 52
Vis: 50
plasma: 44
forty: 41
GavsEvans: 40
Karo: 35
John: 21
Tangy: 18
Poke: 18

Suprak takes a huge jump into first and forty jumps up quite a bit as well, but everyone else largely remains the same.

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Inviso
03/07/23 3:03:39 PM
#136:


Damn. I mean, it doesn't compare to Shaun of the Dead, but it's still decent.

Still guessing Not Another Teen Movie until it goes out, I guess.

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plasmabeam
03/07/23 3:28:36 PM
#137:


Damn, I thought RotLD would--at minimum--survive into the Top 20. This is the first movie that dropped without being listed on the Vegas odds-board.

VEGAS ODDS ON #23:

+600 Duck Soup
+750 Modern Times
+750 Spaceballs
+750 Not Another Teen Movie
+1000 Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
+1000 Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping
+1250 Enchanted
+1250 Black Dynamite
+1500 Borat

+200 Any other movie (+2500 if guessed correctly)

Leaderboard:
1) Poke $2250 (+500 Mystery Men, +500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
2) Mega $1750 (+500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
3) Suprak $500 (+500 Mystery Men)
3) Gavs $500 (+500 Mystery Men)

The House Won On:
  • Stripes (+1000 odds)
  • Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein (+500 odds)
  • Beverly Hills Cop (+1000 odds)
  • Return of the Living Dead (Unlisted; +2500 odds)



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plasmabeam
03/07/23 3:31:38 PM
#138:


BetrayedTangy posted...
8. Forty
Its silly, but also hugely important as it helped define the entire genre by introducing the concept of zombies hungering for brains.
14. Mythiot
So this is where zombies eat brains came from!

Always thought The Misfits 1981 song "Braineaters" was about zombies, but now my world has been completely upended.

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Snake5555555555
03/07/23 3:56:50 PM
#139:


Braineaters is a reference to the 1958 Roger Corman movie.

Return of the Living Dead is indeed the first instance of zombies hungering for brains. I love how dopey the whole cast is, soundtrack is 11/10 (with probably the best horror punk compilation ever put together, it's only missing the Misfits), the zombie designs are amazing, and the movie is so quotable. First movie to really put the zombie genre on blast and who better than the original producer of the Night of the Living Dead to help bring it to fruition. I love that even though it's a comedy satire it introduced most things people associate with zombies now. It's truly something special - "send. more. paramedics." It's a riot.

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Johnbobb
03/07/23 4:07:41 PM
#140:


Keep it on black

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jcgamer107
03/07/23 6:31:15 PM
#141:


Return of the Living Dead is terrific, definitely would've made my top 10

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fortybelowsummer
03/07/23 8:06:23 PM
#142:


Dang, first result that I'm shocked and disappointed by, but I do get why it's not for everyone.

Duck Soup plz

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Mega_Mana
03/07/23 9:03:52 PM
#143:


I was extremely surprised by how good RotLD was, especially with its gross cover art. It was actually a solid, and scary, movie. The slow turn of the starting characters, the fairly normal decisions of a lot of the characters winding up actually being bad outcomes, the absolute terror of chopped up body parts still moving independently, cremation spreading the virus, the explanation of pain from that one zombie, the basement zombie... it was all-around much better than expected. It would maybe make my top half just because there is still a lot of cheese and slow parts.

Guessing Not Another Teen Movie :P

BetrayedTangy posted...
The military misplaced zombie canisters and took the best part of 20 years to find them again. The recipient of said canisters doesnt report the error, instead showing them off to employees and then hitting them, which releases the zombifying gas. The canisters werent even well made and properly secured! Zombie outbreaks are usually caused by unforeseen problems, but this one was entirely avoidable.

I mean, how farfetched would it actually be if, say, a dean of a community college found a really good deal on some old army surplus meat to serve for its Halloween party? Come on~

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Pokewars
03/07/23 9:14:36 PM
#144:


Horror, even if it's parody, just not my thing.

Guess Duck Soup

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Suprak_the_Stud
03/08/23 11:19:09 AM
#145:


Man you guys all hate fun.

My write up is on my computer so Ill try to post it later, but this is another one that I fully realize isnt a great movie. But I thought it was a lot of fun and did exactly what I wanted an 80s zombie movie to do.

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GavsEvans123
03/08/23 2:31:51 PM
#146:


Even though I ranked it low, I wasn't expecting this one to drop so soon! It's obviously a cult classic, and it had a lot of hype in the previous topic and at the start of this one.

I'll guess Popstar next.

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03/08/23 4:18:46 PM
#147:


23. Duck Soup (1933)
Directed by Leo McCarey
Score: 186

Mythiot: 2
Johnbobb: 7
GavsEvans: 9
Plasma: 13
Tangy: 18
Karo: 23
Inviso: 28
Poke: 28
Suprak: 28
Fortybelow: 30

2. Mythiot
An unapologetically silly live-action Looney Tune that never gets made anymore, the Marx Brothers' magnum opus Duck Soup is an absolute delight. To the modern eye, the plot involving a newly appointed dictator in over his head who bumbles his way into a war with a hostile neighbor may seem like an excuse to showcase rapid-fire gags and chaotic musical numbers, but it ruffled enough feathers back in the day to get banned in fascist Italy. For a 70 minute film, this flim is absolutely loaded with jokes, the majority of which are supplied by Groucho, master of worldplay and insults as the fragile dictator Rufus T. Firefly, and silent clown Harpo as a scissor-happy spy who has enough time between espionage and cutting off people's cigars to mess with a random lemonade stand owner. Almost all of the film's humor holds up just as well 90 years later, the often-copied mirror scene with its perfect timing probably being the highlight.

7. John
"This Country's Going To War" may be the single funniest scene on this entire list. At the very least it's in top contention. Duck Soup manages to be the best of the goofy, rapid-fire wordplay that made Abbott and Costello popular with physical slapstick that feels like it's straight out of the Three Stooges. The "pretending to be a mirror image when looking at someone else" gag has been done time and time again since this, and somehow this one still manages to be the most surprising and humorous. Also I haven't seen a hat budget this extensive since Lincoln (2012)

9. Gavs
The first big joke that set the tone for me was when the first five minutes are spent hyping up Firefly as a highly skilled politician, only for him to be a sleazy fast-talker, nothing at all like what he had been built up as. His arrogance and ego results in him working himself up and causing an entirely avoidable war with the neighbouring Sylvania. The two spies arent helping either. I wonder if they were deliberately sabotaging relations between the countries, or if they were just that incompetent.

There are a few different kinds of humour here. Theres plenty of witty lines of dialogue, physical slapstick primarily from the spies, though not always (the running joke with Fireflys sidecar got me every time), and some more bizarre bits like the living tattoo and the massive army of reinforcements during the war scene. There are even a couple of catchy musical numbers in there! A lot gets packed into this films short length, although there are a few scenes that feel like they go on a bit too long.

This was the first film I watched for this ranking and it was a good one to start off with. I enjoyed this quite a bit. I did wonder if this would hold up because its such an old film, but I had nothing to worry about.

I dont get why its called Duck Soup though. Maybe there was meant to be a sequel from Sylvanias perspective called Rabbit Soup?

13. Plasma
Here we have Groucho Marx performing a series of hilarious stand-up routines, andoh, theres a story, too.

The storyline and commentary didnt wow me, but I gotta give Duck Soup credit for making me laugh out loud more than a dozen times. The Groucho parts are terrific. His comedic timing is snappy, and he delivers jokes with gusto. I could listen to this guy for hours.

The spy parts were too silly for my tastes, but they did have some great moments, and the mirror routine was mesmerizing to watch. It was interesting seeing how this film embraced the spirit of the silent era and merged it seamlessly into a talkie comedy. Just wish they had scrapped the musical segments. C-

18. Tangy
Of all the golden age comedians, I think Groucho might be my favorite. He perfectly balances wit with stupidity and I love it. The rest of the Marx bros are incredibly fun too and play off each other super well. I think the only thing that holds this one back for me oddly enough is the pacing. You would think that this wouldnt be a problem since the movies only like an hour long, but theres just not enough consistency to hold it all together. Its like for every super funny scene, theres one thats twice as long and it doesnt work nearly as well. Then theres the musical numbers. Normally I enjoy it when they pop up unexpectedly, but it just feels out of place here and they werent particularly catchy songs either. I do still like the movie as a whole though, I just think it needed more unity.

23. Karo
An old film featuring the Marx Brothers, aka Groucho, Harpo, Chico and Karl.
Basically an eccentric buffoon (played by Groucho) is appointed leader of the hyper patriotic and ironically named country of Freedonia, a land of moralfuckery where they rattle off a long long list of things you are actually not free to do. Ha ha.
This angle was oddly relevant and we could have definitely used more exploration of the themes here then we actually got. What we could have used less of is repetitive cartoon gags and Harpo's goddamn scissor fetish like seriously we get it he likes to cut things it is not funny guys.
Anytime Groucho wasnt onscreen I just about fell asleep, and even when he was it was only marginally interesting.
The movie works when it is trying to provide biting social satire. It doesn't work when it is trying to be a wacky comedy. Sadly the latter is mostly what it goes for.

28. Vis
I feel bad for whatever I have to say about this, because Im worried that comedymore than any other genreis going to suffer from its timing when it comes to watching these older movies. Dont get me wrong: Duck Soup was short and fast-paced, with constant slapstick and jokes being delivered every other moment, so I was never bored while watching it. But the jokes and the style of the Marx Brothers comedy just didnt work for me. I guess this was coming in the lead-up to World War II, so the weird geo-political slant maybe made sense in conjunction with the state of the world at the time, but I guess it just wasnt for me.

30. Forty
Why should we have a standing army? Because then we save money on chairs. Unlike its contemporary, Modern Times, I feel like Duck Soup is just too old fashioned to really strike a chord with me. Almost every line is the comedic equivalent of a corny dad joke, so it has some charm but is only ever enough to elicit some mild chuckles (except the motorcycle/sidecar gag which was really funny to me). The rapid-fire physical comedy from the Marx Brothers is entertaining enough, and the timing and choreography is impressive but again, its from an era thats more up my grandparents alley than mine. I thought it was strange, too, how abruptly the movie ended, but overall, I do respect how influential it is, as many of its absurdist elements can be seen in later films. I feel bad putting it dead last but that had to go to something, and there are no bad movies on the list.

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03/08/23 4:25:55 PM
#148:


Outlier Ranking

Mythiot: 73
Suprak: 64
Vis: 55
GavsEvans: 54
Plasma: 54
forty: 41
John: 37
Karo: 35
Tangy: 23
Poke: 23

With the fall of Duck Soup, Mythiot gains a commanding lead, with Suprak comfortably in second. Meanwhile Vis, Gav and plasma duke it out for third.

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Mega_Mana
03/08/23 4:34:47 PM
#149:


Booo

Guessing Not Another Teen Movie again, unfortunately. At this point, I'm just hoping it makes top 20

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jcgamer107
03/08/23 4:55:05 PM
#150:


Mega_Mana posted...
...the absolute terror of chopped up body parts still moving independently, cremation spreading the virus, the explanation of pain from that one zombie, the basement zombie... it was all-around much better than expected
Oh yeah, the tar zombie scared the shit out of me back in the day, when I saw just a clip of it without knowing much about the movie

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plasmabeam
03/08/23 6:07:59 PM
#151:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/4/AABj6fAAEQcA.jpg

Forty and Poke enjoy the soup while Johnbobb, Inviso, and other NATM doubters go hungry.

VEGAS ODDS ON #22:

+700 Modern Times
+700 Spaceballs
+700 Not Another Teen Movie
+850 Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
+850 Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping
+1000 Enchanted
+1000 Black Dynamite
+1250 Zoolander
+1250 Borat

+200 Any other movie (+2500 if guessed correctly)

Leaderboard:
1) Poke $2850 (+500 Mystery Men, +500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview, +600 Duck Soup)
2) Mega $1750 (+500 The Freshman, +1250 The Interview)
3) Forty $600 (+600 Duck Soup)
4) Suprak $500 (+500 Mystery Men)
4) Gavs $500 (+500 Mystery Men)

The House Won On:
  • Stripes (+1000 odds)
  • Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein (+500 odds)
  • Beverly Hills Cop (+1000 odds)
  • Return of the Living Dead (Unlisted; +2500 odds)



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