Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 10 - Thinner Mario, Bigger Adventure!

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Look, I'm sorry that you got scum twice in a row after coming back.
My mind isn't going to change about Kirby today. I think that if you are town you are better off spending your time helping me understand your thoughts on other, non Kirby players.

Peace___Frog posted...

Look, I'm sorry that you got scum twice in a row after coming back.
My mind isn't going to change about Kirby today. I think that if you are town you are better off spending your time helping me understand your thoughts on other, non Kirby players.

I think this is actually the important part. I wasn't trying to change your mind about Kirby today. My initial point was that you should be willing to reconsider Kirby tomorrow when I am undoubtedly alive again because Kirby is faking their claim. I don't like that while I was gone, a few people pushed the narrative that the obvious plan right now is to lynch Red, and then me tomorrow to resolve the Kirby/Dumey situation. Again you might just see this as self-preservation, but I think ESPECIALLY if Red flips as a roleblocker, then we have to consider that Kirby is the one to lynch, not me, because they would be caught in a direct contradiction to what they've claimed. That's why I wanted to clarify that specific interaction with you.

As for other players, I think if we are trusting Han/Ctes, and Red flips scum (or independent I guess), then Ulti is still the one I have next on my list. But I have already posted my thoughts on Ulti multiple times today. And even when Ulti has shown up, he's decided to not respond to me or Han asking him for clarifications, and only respond to things happening right then and there in the thread! You know I love to defend myself, so seeing Ulti make multiple scummy ultra-confidence plays, while also flip flopping on them, and then refusing to defend or explain himself on any of them, reads as very poor behavior. I guess it's up to you to decide if that's scummy or just poor play. How much slack due you want to give "Covid Fog" (which is undoubtedly real, I'm not saying Ulti has faked his condition) as an excuse for scummy play?

And that's pretty much it. Kirby/Ulti/Red pretty much solves the game. If I'm wrong on that, it would either have to be a Ctes/Han gambit, or Kirby and I are both town and Plum or HB are hiding in the back.

How much has HB posted today btw?

Like, how am I supposed to get a read from Ulti when it feels like he's not playing the same game as the rest of us?

Ulti, will you finally answer me, just so I can feel better about myself?

Back in 9.283 I quoted a list of your posts that showed you going from saying Kirby's claim reeked of safe-list fake claim, to then ending the day deciding to vote me based on Kirby's "scan."
This interaction shows that you read and analyzed Kriby's claim to some extent, but then also just sheeped the claimed "scan" with little extra reasoning.

I appreciate that you're one of the few people reading me as town, but the problem I have is that your actions don't seem to actually follow that!

Can you explain your head-space during that change in opinion? Did something happen that made you believe in Kirby's claim over the course of the day? Or are we saying you just didn't care any more and wanted to throw down a vote to advance the game state?

I'm only around for a few more hours. I assume ctes is basically gone for the day.

5 to lynch so I won't vote, but it's on red in spirit.

A quick ISO of things (didn't get time to do a full one)... I feel like, barring Ulti, the only player left in the PoE that doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game is Hb. His highlights have been going hard on Sultan Day 1 and vehemently defending Ben on Day 2. He's interacted with Dumey a few times, but they were largely just small blows at each other rather than any serious discussion.

Plum has been actively reading the game and commenting on things, taking stances, etc. I don't think it needs to be said, but Peaf has also been doing the same thing on a much greater degree.

Ulti, as we all know, has been a complete mess, has barely been reading the game (or at least has barely retained any info from anything he has read).

I am currently leaning on Hb + Dumey being the remaining scum. If there is a third living scum member... I mean, I guess it'd have to be Ulti? But I don't feel very confident in that.

Otherwise, I guess you could make the case that Town Plum as a vanilla doesn't engage with the game nearly this much, but I'm honestly pulling that argument out of thing air since I'm not too confident on assessing Plum's playstyle as either alignment yet.

Kirby321 posted...

I am currently leaning on Hb + Dumey being the remaining scum. If there is a third living scum member... I mean, I guess it'd have to be Ulti? But I don't feel very confident in that.

So you're assuming 2+1?

UltimaterializerX posted...

That was all before Han and ctes confirmed themselves.

I don't understand how that answers my question about your change in opinion on Kirby's claim at all. Han/Ctes have nothing to do with it.

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By the way, I'm truly trying to not be dismissive in the case that you're town, dumey. You weren't here for it, but lopen was once an insane psychic (who obviously didn't know that he was insane). And town was very convinced that he was just lying scum caught in a contradiction.

I'm more inclined to believe that if you are not scum, then Kirby is not scum either still.

It should go without saying, but all of my scenario analysis earlier assumes that Kirby doesn't hit anything and ctes scans the player who ends up dying, such that there is no additional info for town to work off of.

If Kirby kills town then we are screwed. If he kills scum then he gives us extra to work with.

If han claims again that he just happened to neighbor the person who died, then he should be under very very very intense scrutiny.

Jc. My guy. Come on, now.

Peace___Frog posted...

If han claims again that he just happened to neighbor the person who died, then he should be under very very very intense scrutiny.

This is for tomorrow, by the way. Not today.

Ulti, how can both Kirby and Dumey be Town?

Ulti, i only said that you are possibly town if hb is not, and you could still both be scum. Don't confuse my openness to possibilities with reading you as town.

Han, i have my own explanation but I'll let Ulti speak first since you asked him directly.

Peace___Frog posted...

So you're assuming 2+1?

Yeah. Han brought up a good argument for 3+1, so it's absolutely worth considering. But my pea brain is still stuck on 2+1.

Kirby321 posted...

Yeah. Han brought up a good argument for 3+1, so it's absolutely worth considering. But my pea brain is still stuck on 2+1.

Don't think it was that great to be honest. Game could end really quickly both ways that way so it's a null imo. Looking all the roles we know we have including two really good scum roles makes me think it was probably 12+4+1.

I don't think it makes much difference as to what we should do though.

I agree with ctes.

Either way, Red or Dumey die today by lynch. I won't be here for EoD it seems, or at least, I won't be here too actively, but I'm satisfied with our trajectory for today. My vote stays on Dumey, but the lynch on Red has my support nonetheless.

I don't want to lynch Dumey because role mechanic stuff though. It's more poe. For what it's worth, if you try to hammer Gourmet Guy when he blocks your way and wants cake (outside of battle), nothing happens. Don't even think he folds for a second like most characters do. He could be scum, but I don't like the idea of think Kirby/Dumey have to be town/scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Don't think it was that great to be honest. Game could end really quickly both ways that way so it's a null imo. Looking all the roles we know we have including two really good scum roles makes me think it was probably 12+4+1.

I don't think it makes much difference as to what we should do though.

Also just to add to this. 11+5+1 seems a lot more likely to end quickly I favor of scum I think. But yeah again, doesn't make a difference as to what we do.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't want to lynch Dumey because role mechanic stuff though. It's more poe. For what it's worth, if you try to hammer Gourmet Guy when he blocks your way and wants cake (outside of battle), nothing happens. Don't even think he folds for a second like most characters do. He could be scum, but I don't like the idea of think Kirby/Dumey have to be town/scum.

I will say if it is Town Kirby, the Hammer/Jump works on flavor basis, and this is the reason why I had a resistance to Hammer, then I say we all verbally assault Mzero after the game.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't want to lynch Dumey because role mechanic stuff though. It's more poe. For what it's worth, if you try to hammer Gourmet Guy when he blocks your way and wants cake (outside of battle), nothing happens. Don't even think he folds for a second like most characters do. He could be scum, but I don't like the idea of think Kirby/Dumey have to be town/scum.

Then why would scum block him instead of you

No, the question you just answered.

Y'all, four Scum means the game can end in a Town victory at lynch of day 2.

That is barmy.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Y'all, four Scum means the game can end in a Town victory at lynch of day 2.

That is barmy.

While true, I do agree with Ctes that the case of Town losing by D3 is far likelier than Town nailing every single scum without fail and ending the game by D2.

Well I hope nobody blames me for being nervous about numbers after a game where we won as Scum, having more members of the Cult than Town thought.

masterplum posted...

Then why would scum block him instead of you

That's a good point, yes. I mean, it's possible they feared Kirby bluffed, but yes.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Well I hope nobody blames me for being nervous about numbers after a game where we won as Scum, having more members of the Cult than Town thought.

But that was because no one thought of a back up recruiter

I'll be honest, if I wasn't afraid of 3 Scum remaining, I would side with Kirby on lynching Dumey today.

I'm not confident enough so my vote stays here. Then I go to sleep.

I'd guess plum and Dumey gun to head right now on the rest, but I've been back and forward on most players alive after all.

Alright well nothing has really moved so

##vote: red

good night, and good luck rest of town

I go to bed you are all talking about murdering the RB and wake up and no ones moved. Way to give scum what they want.

Also wake up is slightly wrong, it was mostly sleep for like 12 hours and then like a couple hours taking my dog out walking.

What are votals? I believe I'm on red still right

I've checked in a couple times but it seems like everyone is content with where we are.

Ask and ye shall receive Votals

Red [4] - ctes, Ulti, Plum, (Dumey), Peaf
Dumey [1] - (Plum), Kirby
Kirby [1] - Dumey
Plum [0] (Ulti)
Ulti [0] - (Dumey)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern (or 40ish minutes from now).

STOP STOP STOP

settle down guys

Toad A: Hey! Jr. Troopa is a Koopa right? Lets get him!
Toad B: Yeah! Hes definitely part of the Koopa Troop!
Jr. Troopa: Thats Master Jr. Troopa to you, and I work for no one! You think Id let Bowser tell me what to do!?
Toad A: I say we still get him. You can never trust a Koopa.
Toad C: We dont have time for that! We have to find the rest of Bowsers army!
Toad A: Alright, fine. Lets go.
Jr. Troopa: Hey! Where do you think youre going? This here is my territory and youre stepping on it. You think Im going to let you get away with that?
Toad A: Come on man theres like one hundred of us...
Jr. Troopa: Im your worst nightmare. Here comes the pain!

Ultimately, Jr. Troopa was unsuccessful in his attempt to fight the large mob all by himself, but props for trying I guess?

Red has been lynched!

You just dont know when to give up, do you? Few can say they are one of the first bosses and one of the last bosses in the same game, but you are one of them. You start out rather weak, but throughout the course of six battles with Mario, you gradually become stronger. Youve never gotten the best of him yet, but now is your chance. Despite not really being a part of the Koopa Troop and actually fighting the Koopa Bros. at one point, you are united in your goal of defeating Mario.

You are Jr. Troopa, KOOPA TROOP Persistent Little Shit. You will gain the following abilities for each night you survive:

Night 2: You will sprout a horn, becoming resistant to Jump attacks
Night 3: You will lose your horn but sprout wings, becoming resistant to Hammer attacks
Night 4: You will gain both your horn and wings, becoming resistant to both Jump and Hammer attacks
Night 5: You will gain a one-use assassin shot, but will be vulnerable to all attacks

You win when the Koopa Troops victory becomes inevitable.

Alive (8):
Ctes
Dumey
Han
Hb
Kirby
Peaf
Plum
Ulti

Shredded:
LD1: Isquen Eldstar, TOWN Vanilla
KN1: Lea Bombette, TOWN Bomb
KN1: SBell - Koopa Bros., KOOPA TROOP Ninjas
LD2: Sultan Mario, TOWN Hero
KN2: death Lady Bow, TOWN Doctor
KN2: Cody Muskular, TOWN Vanilla
LD3: Ben Bowser, KOOPA TROOP Bulletproof Role Scanner
KN3: JC Watt, TOWN Jack-of-all-Trades
LD4: red - Jr. Troopa, KOOPA TROOP Persistent Little Shit

It is now night. Please submit all night actions by 8:00 P.M. Eastern.

When the people of town awoke the next morning, they found a young koopa troopa lying on the ground. It seems the Koopa Troop got him. On his shell, they spotted a name tag that read:

Hi, my name is Goombario!

ctes has died!

A blue koopa troopa with a taste for adventure, you decide to join Mario on his when he retrieves your shell after it was stolen by some Fuzzies. You dream is to become an archaeologist like your idol, Kolorado. Mario can use you to to flip switches, retrieve items, and attack enemies, but it doesnt seem like that will come in handy this time around. Still, you are an important ally for our heroes. If its any consolation, you are my favorite party member!

You are Kooper, TOWN Vanilla. Aside from your vote, you have no powers.

You win when all threats to TOWN have been eliminated.

Alive (7):
Ctes
Dumey
Han
Hb
Kirby
Peaf
Plum
Ulti

Shredded:
LD1: Isquen Eldstar, TOWN Vanilla
KN1: Lea Bombette, TOWN Bomb
KN1: SBell - Koopa Bros., KOOPA TROOP Ninjas
LD2: Sultan Mario, TOWN Hero
KN2: death Lady Bow, TOWN Doctor
KN2: Cody Muskular, TOWN Vanilla
LD3: Ben Bowser, KOOPA TROOP Bulletproof Role Scanner
KN3: JC Watt, TOWN Jack-of-all-Trades
LD4: red - Jr. Troopa, KOOPA TROOP Persistent Little Shit
KN4: ctes Kooper, TOWN Vanilla

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern.