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Big_Nabendu
01/09/23 9:03:18 AM
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I think it's the best one

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Irony
01/09/23 9:04:10 AM
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Boring and forgettable

The only thing memorable is how forgettable it is


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Revelation34
01/09/23 9:04:47 AM
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The start of the lame battle systems.

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Alucard188
01/09/23 9:05:03 AM
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I enjoyed the slow burn political story and the Final Fantasy 11 MMO style gameplay.

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bluezero
01/09/23 9:05:11 AM
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Very good, I liked most things about it.

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ViewtifulJoe
01/09/23 9:05:19 AM
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I played it once and sometimes have war flashbacks to that giant never ending lighthouse place with like 6 bosses and some admittedly cool cutscenes at the top.
I remember nothing about the story except Vaan telling people he's Captain Basch and Gabranth sounding cooler than he did in Dissidia.

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Spurner
01/09/23 9:06:21 AM
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Great up until Archades
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Sufferedphoneix
01/09/23 9:10:42 AM
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Loved it. Was glad random battle encounters where gone. Most of the party was likeable in terms of it being a political story. The hunts where great.

And bonus points for the main villain having the balls to fight with his fists against a party of 4 weilding weapons. He also technically achieves his goal just fails to live to enjoy it.

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masterpug53
01/09/23 9:14:19 AM
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I quite liked it. Beautifully detailed and expansive world; gorgeous soundtrack; I actually quite liked the combat, and wish Gambits / customizable algorithms were more common with AI companions; and Balthier remains one of my favorite characters in the franchise.

But for reference, FF X was the last game in the series that I genuinely loved, and it's hard to deny that FF XII was the beginning of the end. XII just didn't have any heart in its story. And speaking as someone who generally struggles to fathom the burning hatred others have for well-known annoying video game characters (Tidus, Fargoth, The Adoring Fan, Nazeem, even Penelo), I genuinely hate Vaan on several levels.

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Tyranthraxus
01/09/23 9:19:06 AM
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Needs tza to be playable

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HairyQueen
01/09/23 9:43:12 AM
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Really missed the mark but has some great elements

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yusiko
01/09/23 9:43:19 AM
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ok ill start with what i like about the game.
i enjoy the big open world and the battle system and how customizable it is
i love balthier. one of my favorite final fantasy characters in general
i like how much side content there is so exploring is rewarded

now to get to what i dislike about the game
the story, on paper the story sounds fantastic. if you summarize the plot to someone they will walk away thinking that must be the greatest video game story ever told. but in the end it wasnt executed very well and its story ended up being one of the weaker parts of the game so its wasted potential

it is kind of forgettable.

the core cast is really underdeveloped. i mean out of 6 main characters vaan, penelo and fran could be cut from the story and very little would need to be changed for everything to still work
balthier would need a different reason to go to the lhusu mines and they would need to find a different way to get past the woods and thats about all the changes needed

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tripleh213
01/09/23 9:43:38 AM
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5/10 really. Had no idea what the fuck was going on.

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Medussa
01/09/23 9:49:48 AM
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i really liked it, but i kept getting sidetracked hunting down the rare monsters to ever actually finish the game. oops.

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PMarth2002
01/09/23 9:50:30 AM
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I've tried to play it twice and got bored about 10ish or 20ish hours in.

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Cleo_II
01/09/23 9:53:25 AM
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Gameplay was fun. I really liked the gambit system and open world. I loved Balthier. The rest of the cast and story were forgettable. And it marked the decline of the series overall in that aspect.
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Tyranthraxus
01/09/23 9:58:02 AM
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They got the main cast completely wrong.

Should have been:

Ashe, Balthier, Fran, Larsa, El Cid, Reddas (later replaced by Elza)

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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/09/23 10:03:53 AM
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Some of the best gameplay for the series. Great music as well. The story presentation was a step back from previous FFs and thats one of the biggest reasons people like FF games.

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Tyranthraxus
01/09/23 10:07:37 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Some of the best gameplay for the series. Great music as well. The story presentation was a step back from previous FFs and thats one of the biggest reasons people like FF games.
A lot of the music feels kinda like it ripped off breath of fire 5

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Shotgunnova
01/09/23 10:18:53 AM
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It was alright, but I didn't love most of the characters and haven't felt like replaying in 15+ years.

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DoesntMatter
01/09/23 10:53:47 AM
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i really liked it when i first played it back in the day because i appreciated the narrative deviations from your standard JRPGs into more mature themes and political intrigue. i didn't realize it at the time, because i had never really played any WRPGs at that point, but coming back to it later i realized that a lot of those deviations was Square trying to make a JRPG that was more like a WRPG.

of course, coming back to the Zodiac edition on Steam years later, after having played many many real WRPGs, i realized that FF12 mostly came up short on many of these ways they tried to make it more like a WRPG, and still had many overdone JRPG trappings as well, so it just didn't measure up now that i had some solid things to compare it to.

i did enjoy the Gambit system though. i'm not sure why it was so hated by so many. to me, it is really similar to the Tactics system in Dragon Age: Origins, which is pretty much my favorite combat system ever, and to my knowledge is pretty universally hailed as one of the best parts of the game.

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Glob
01/09/23 11:01:26 AM
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It stopped me playing everything that came afterwards because I disliked it that much.

I did try the VII remake but hated that too.
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Despised
01/09/23 11:35:49 AM
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Best FF

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Questionmarktarius
01/09/23 11:43:29 AM
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License Board was a terrible concept, and ZJS didn't help much.
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HairyQueen
01/09/23 12:30:52 PM
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Despised posted...
Best FF
Your username makes sense now

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pauIie
01/09/23 1:12:32 PM
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had great potential but was undercooked in some areas, probably due to its development problems. i rank it somewhere in the middle of the games i played. i loved the world/exploration/hunts, probably the best ff to run around and kill stuff in. the battle system could have been better but i liked what it was going for. dragon age origins is probably an ideal version of 12's gameplay.

Tyranthraxus posted...
They got the main cast completely wrong.

Should have been:

Ashe, Balthier, Fran, Larsa, El Cid, Reddas (later replaced by Elza)
no basch?

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Tyranthraxus
01/09/23 1:18:52 PM
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pauIie posted...
no basch?

In no uncertain terms, "it was actually my evil twin" is going to always be the worst plot element in any story and it will only be improved by removing it. In this hypothetical scenario Basch takes the place of Gabranth or maybe Gabranth is just a pseudonym.

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pauIie
01/09/23 1:23:44 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
In no uncertain terms, "it was actually my evil twin" is going to always be the worst plot element in any story and it will only be improved by removing it. In this hypothetical scenario Basch takes the place of Gabranth or maybe Gabranth is just a pseudonym.
i'm with it

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Delta_Force
01/09/23 1:28:42 PM
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It took me years to beat because it literally put me to sleep with how boring it was.
And I do mean fallen asleep in the middle of the living room on more than one occasion.

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masterpug53
01/09/23 1:29:09 PM
#34:


Tyranthraxus posted...
In no uncertain terms, "it was actually my evil twin" is going to always be the worst plot element in any story and it will only be improved by removing it. In this hypothetical scenario Basch takes the place of Gabranth or maybe Gabranth is just a pseudonym.

Agreed. And the sad thing is that Basch could've still been a half-decent character, if the plot hadn't decided to make him near-completely irrelevant shortly after this reveal (which is pretty near the beginning of the game, no less). Even the most obvious arc Basch should've had - getting revenge on Gabranth - was almost completely usurped by Vaan.

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Hayame_Zero
01/09/23 3:26:50 PM
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I really disliked it when I first played it. I've considered going back to try Zodiac Age because the License Board was one of my issues with it, but that won't fix all the other issues I had with it.

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Proto_Spark
01/09/23 3:33:38 PM
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It was the first one I actually beat. I liked it enough, though I don't think I could tell you very much about it. I haven't touched it since like 10 years ago or whatever when I actually finished it.

I remember the two characters that were like childhood friends accidentally called into an adventure, there was like, an exiled princess and the knight who stayed loyal, and then the other guy and the bunny were pirates.

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Ricemills
01/09/23 3:34:35 PM
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it's a chore.
great setpiece but the gameplay is not for me. i dropped it on the dungeon with many teleports and never picked it back.

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Tyranthraxus
01/09/23 3:58:41 PM
#38:


Hayame_Zero posted...
I really disliked it when I first played it. I've considered going back to try Zodiac Age because the License Board was one of my issues with it, but that won't fix all the other issues I had with it.

The 4x fast forward fixes most everyone's issues

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Iodine
01/09/23 4:00:26 PM
#39:


I very much enjoyed it when I played the original back in 2008. I plan on playing Zodiac Age as soon as I finish FF-X2.

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voldothegr8
01/09/23 4:00:44 PM
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It felt like MMO gameplay in an unpopulated world. AKA shit.

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Garlands_Soul
01/09/23 4:01:28 PM
#41:


Better than the shit after and better than the shit that was X. Still, just okay

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Anony1125
01/09/23 4:19:17 PM
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I'm actually replaying it for the first time in years right now. As mentioned, I love the fast forward feature. Makes it so much less tedious to traverse the enormous distances, which helps me appreciate the world more. Loved the bounties and rare hunts, it was always fun tracking those down. Hated how useless the highest-level magic spells were in the original, but I heard that got fixed in ZA? I'll find out, anyway. Solid 8/10 for me, there's a lot I like but it just feels like there's something missing. The characters from VI, VII, and IX were just so much more interesting and engaging to me, and while the world was okay it just didn't have any really memorable locations like in the other games. I don't know how much of it is nostalgia, but considering I played VI after XII I don't think all of it is. Especially since it seems like most people have similar complaints.

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Flauros
01/09/23 4:24:05 PM
#43:


I love it. Back when i was young and got my first apartment, i spent hundreds of hours staring at Frans fine ass

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Ivany2008
01/09/23 4:30:49 PM
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Do we have a few hours to talk about how much I hate the game? No? Then I'll simplify.

I thought the game visually looks stunning but the story is the worst story they have ever told. I'm not a fan of the battle system but to each their own on that one. I think they could have done a couple things to really improve on the story:

1 - Don't include Vaan or Penelo. They do nothing for the plot, and after many years we now know they were added in last second.
2 - Really build Ashe's storyline. Much like Laguna from FF8, she needed her story to be told from the background at every major story break until we add her to the party. Really show that she is trying to repair her reputation throughout the kingdom.
3 - Build up Vayne more as a character.

That's about it. They had the bare bones of a good game, but they managed to make the story so unbearable that 15 almost came close to my least favorite FF game, but this edged it out.
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creativerealms
01/09/23 4:32:49 PM
#45:


It was like playing an offline MMORPG.

I don't play online MMOs why would I want to play a single player game that feels like one?

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Delta_Force
01/09/23 4:51:40 PM
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Flauros posted...
I love it. Back when i was young and got my first apartment, i spent hundreds of hours staring at Frans fine ass

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That's what we call "The Plot". And was indeed one of the only good things.

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Big_Nabendu
01/09/23 9:45:58 PM
#47:


Flauros posted...
I love it. Back when i was young and got my first apartment, i spent hundreds of hours staring at Frans fine ass

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Yes

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Zergrush80
01/09/23 9:52:08 PM
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Great game, one of my favorites. Funny thing is I've yet to ever try Yaizmat or Omega Mark XIII. Those two I got a healthy amount of fear. Everything else I plowed through.

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masterpug53
01/10/23 11:11:23 AM
#49:


Zergrush80 posted...
Great game, one of my favorites. Funny thing is I've yet to ever try Yaizmat or Omega Mark XIII. Those two I got a healthy amount of fear. Everything else I plowed through.

I was intimidated by Omega for the longest time too, but when I finally got around to fighting him, he was an absolute pushover compared to Yiamzat and even Hell Wyrm. For some reason, he only had 1/10th of the HP in the American version that he did in the Japanese version (dunno if this changed with the Zodiac version); he's tough, but his tactics are a hell of a lot more manageable when you only have to spend 10-15 minutes fighting him.

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yusiko
01/10/23 11:19:10 AM
#50:


the zodiac version nerfed some of the uber bosses
like yaizmit used to take like 6 hours to beat and now can be taken down in 15 minutes

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