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TerraSeeker
12/19/22 5:32:01 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
I hate to disappoint them but Im already boycotting the film out of disinterest


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Razuberii
12/19/22 5:34:02 PM
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i literally could not care less

will still take my mother to see the movie since she wants to watch it

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TaylorHeinicke
12/19/22 5:34:40 PM
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Wasn't the first one like, also about destroying a pseudo-Native American tribe saved by a white guy? Was there outrage then?

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archedsoul
12/19/22 5:35:54 PM
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Avatar 2 is flopping pretty badly.

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AceMos
12/19/22 5:39:57 PM
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TaylorHeinicke posted...
Wasn't the first one like, also about destroying a pseudo-Native American tribe saved by a white guy? Was there outrage then?
yes yes there was ppl have been making these accusations for years

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Ivynn
12/19/22 5:41:34 PM
#58:


TaylorHeinicke posted...
Wasn't the first one like, also about destroying a pseudo-Native American tribe saved by a white guy? Was there outrage then?

The culture of 2008 and 2022 are very different. For good or ill.

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BlackJackCat
12/19/22 5:43:21 PM
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TaylorHeinicke posted...
Wasn't the first one like, also about destroying a pseudo-Native American tribe saved by a white guy? Was there outrage then?

I don't think there was outrage per se, but I do remember someone pointing out that it was basically a rip off of Pocahontas. I've never seen it, so I wouldn't know if that pans out as true.

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Patchwork
12/19/22 5:43:43 PM
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The outrage in 2008 was that Sam Worthington was being pushed as a Hollywood star.

Or at least, that was my outrage.

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DrizztLink
12/19/22 5:43:48 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
I don't think there was outrage per se, but I do remember someone pointing out that it was basically a rip off of Pocahontas. I've never seen it, so I wouldn't know if that pans out as true.
Dances with Wolves, mostly.

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MICHALECOLE
12/19/22 5:50:04 PM
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Blue face is not a thing
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mario2000
12/19/22 6:05:02 PM
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This bodes ill for Avatar 3, 4, and 5.

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MICHALECOLE
12/19/22 6:15:37 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I stand corrected
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ShineboxPhil
12/19/22 6:19:43 PM
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Solution_45 posted...
blueface huh
Bust down thotiana

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emmo
12/19/22 6:21:37 PM
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I'll watch movies. If you watch me, that's your business.

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xMythic
12/19/22 6:27:15 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/1/AAIxbMAAEAe3.jpg

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archedsoul
12/19/22 6:29:08 PM
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mario2000 posted...
This bodes ill for Avatar 3, 4, and 5.
4 and 5 will likely be canceled. Cameron says if this flops, which it's looking like, he will end everything in 3.

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SSMajinVegeta2
12/19/22 6:30:35 PM
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Water is racist now? Lol

more for me haha

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CARRRNE_ASADA
12/19/22 7:15:51 PM
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What is the problem with taking inspiration from historic events? Its a sci fi movie for christ sake. Most of them do social commentary about things that have or will happen. Also this is not a story exclusive to the Lakota or native americans in general. Its a story seen across time every time a more technologically developed culture encounters one less so.

And it will still make over 2.0 billion.

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AceMos
12/19/22 7:20:15 PM
#72:


CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
What is the problem with taking inspiration from historic events?
its once again white ppl profiting off native americans suffering

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Tyranthraxus
12/19/22 7:26:35 PM
#73:


I feel like the white guy here is like a nonfactor when you consider James Cameron literally turned a tribe of First Nations into nonhumans. That's much worse than white savior complexes.

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MetroidGamer666
12/19/22 7:55:55 PM
#74:


Oh wow, those accusations are pretty bad
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Left4Doge
12/19/22 8:36:03 PM
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Would you know who the na'vi are being played by without looking the actors up?

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ECW_Originals12
12/19/22 8:42:03 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
What is the problem with taking inspiration from historic events? Its a sci fi movie for christ sake. Most of them do social commentary about things that have or will happen. Also this is not a story exclusive to the Lakota or native americans in general. Its a story seen across time every time a more technologically developed culture encounters one less so.


But dude, white people!

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Popcorn2000
12/19/22 8:42:35 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Ironic
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AceMos
12/19/22 8:44:56 PM
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Left4Doge posted...
Would you know who the na'vi are being played by without looking the actors up?
thats not the point james cameron is the one who said they arebased on native americans but he cant be bothered to have any of the main ones played by a native american

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CARRRNE_ASADA
12/19/22 8:51:53 PM
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AceMos posted...
its once again white ppl profiting off native americans suffering


welp...lets just cancel every movie made about slaves then or every movie based about about horrific historical events. I hear Nolan is doing Oppenheimer...should we consult the japanese on how they feel about it?

On all of these movies, theres never any glamorizing of the colonizers, whites, bad guys. It shows them as the villains.

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DeadBankerDream
12/19/22 8:53:54 PM
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Never seen Avatar and have no plans to, but what am I missing here that isn't just a writer using existing history and culture as a basis for some fantasy bullshit?

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AceMos
12/19/22 8:54:53 PM
#81:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Never seen Avatar and have no plans to, but what am I missing here that isn't just a writer using existing history and culture as a basis for some fantasy bullshit?
he is badly using the culture to the point said culture is calling him out for it


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DeadBankerDream
12/19/22 9:01:13 PM
#82:


AceMos posted...
he is badly using the culture to the point said culture is calling him out for it

I read the OP and I'm not understanding the anger beyond the very idea of cultural appropriation. I needs more details.

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AceMos
12/19/22 9:02:07 PM
#83:


DeadBankerDream posted...
I read the OP and I'm not understanding the anger beyond the very idea of cultural appropriation. I needs more details.
the 2nd tweet i linked goes into it

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lorddrakath1522
12/19/22 9:03:41 PM
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AceMos posted...
he is badly using the culture to the point said culture is calling him out for it

No problem then since he isn't using it to depict these natives lives but as inspiration for a fictional alien tribe.
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rexcrk
12/19/22 9:24:14 PM
#85:


Smashingpmkns posted...
You've already been proven wrong on this yet you insist on parroting the same stuff.


Ayyyyyyy


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bIuerain
12/19/22 9:28:52 PM
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I'm native american and I don't really care about avatar at all either way. Still haven't seen either movie.


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Hoodroar
12/19/22 9:29:44 PM
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Sounded like outrage warrior bullshit until I got to the dude's actual comments lol.

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The_Critic
12/19/22 9:31:44 PM
#88:


History is public domain. Fuck them.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
12/19/22 9:35:11 PM
#89:


The first movie was a mash up of Pocahontas, Dances With Wolves, and FernGully The Last Rainforest.

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The_Critic
12/19/22 9:38:19 PM
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Does CE only believe the victims of atrocities get to tell the history of said events?
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Tyranthraxus
12/19/22 10:56:46 PM
#91:


The_Critic posted...
Does CE only believe the victims of atrocities get to tell the history of said events?

"Okay but what was Custer's side of the story?"

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mario2000
12/19/22 11:04:24 PM
#92:


Tyranthraxus posted...
"Okay but what was Custer's side of the story?"

They made a video game about it.

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pfh1001
12/19/22 11:16:06 PM
#93:


VampireCoyote posted...
I hate to disappoint them but Im already boycotting the film out of disinterest


Lol, same.
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lennethsoki
12/19/22 11:27:08 PM
#94:


TC do you just try to get offended at everything? This Ike the fourth time Ive seen you being upset and making a topic over some injustice.

I feel bad for your parents. They probably feel like they screwed up somewhere raising you.

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The_Critic
12/20/22 12:01:17 AM
#95:


Tyranthraxus posted...
"Okay but what was Custer's side of the story?"

Its not about telling someones side of the story even. History has always been an inspiration for fiction. Once something has happened it is the entire worlds story to tell.
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DD_Divine
12/20/22 12:04:18 AM
#96:


AceMos posted...
https://twitter.com/asdza_tlehonaei/status/1604571538409525249

https://twitter.com/spicygolem/status/1604731650918621189

seriously these movies are pure white savior trash

and before ppl go "oh he switched sides" uh huh its still framed as a white guy leading them to victory

and none of the stars are native american near as i can tell

nor are the writers

wes studi was literally the chief in part 1


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IShall_Run_Amok
12/20/22 12:04:31 AM
#97:


What if the next Avatar is a fire bender?

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wackyteen
12/20/22 12:14:15 AM
#98:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
What if the next Avatar is a fire bender?
Avatar 3: Fear of Fire

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Atralis
12/20/22 12:15:48 AM
#99:


I get that its basically Dances with Wolves in space but if you step back and realize its sci-fi meant for a global audience.... the conquerors play a very large role in the story of any conquest or attempted conquest and play a huge role in the story of humanity. Most people share more in common with conquerors that the conquered just by virtue of how conquest works. That being said the Avatar movies are generally anti colonialism and anti conquest which in the grand scheme of things is a very new and progressive take on the general theme of human history.

What are you demanding here? A story where the technologically primitive natives win without any help from outsiders?

In the US specifically which is the comparison you are trying to make to the natives lost. Conclusively. They were reduced to living at the mercy of their conquerors that were so powerful that they could have killed them all if they wished it when the end of resistance came.
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Silver_Ogre
12/20/22 12:16:03 AM
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AceMos, if you're not going to get a job, at least get a hobby. Binging outrage porn isn't healthy and you're bringing everybody else down.
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