Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 4 - Chris Harrison Somehow Getting Even Worse

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Got Their Rose (THE LIVING):
1) Ben
2) BlueCrystalTear
3) Chaeix
4) changmas
5) Corrik
6) ctesjbuvf
7) Death
8) HanOfTheNekos
9) Isquen
10) Lea
11) Leafeon13N
12) MysteriousStan
13) MZero
14) SBell
15) ScareChan
16) Suprak_the_Stud
17) TheSultanOfSlam
18) TotallyNotMI

Had Bad Opinions On Antebellum Parties And Wouldn't Shut Up About Them (DEAD):
KD1 - Lopen: DMX, TOWN Vanilla

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends in just under 4 hours (9 PM CST on Monday).

I'm frustrated. This is why I usually just peace out on Day 1s.

Do what yinz want. Ben is scum. I'm voting him. There is nothing else for me to do here.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scummoned

No?

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...no?

Corrik7 posted...

I'm trying to explain why Ben is likelier scum here than Isquen.

I have since early in the game Ben is scum and Scare is likeliest the scum out of him and isquen... and now they just sorta kinda linked up indirectly. Yeah, I'm seeing red. Big time.

Ah, so you decided that Ben was Scum early on and you're warping all of your posts around sticking to that? Wow! It's what you just accused me of doing!

Ben claimed a fucking day scanning role. Those can't be Roleblocked. And it's Day 1.

Lynching Ben is not a good move. It's not a smart move.

Ben, do you get to scan every day phase? Apologies if someone already asked you.

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We're not lynching Ben. Either he dies tonight by Mafia's hand, or he scans tomorrow and we go from there.

End of story.

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Nobody else on board. That's really it.

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I don't remember ever seeing a day roleblocker tbh

I remember being able to preemptive stop day actions from people a couple games or so ago.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ah, so you decided that Ben was Scum early on and you're warping all of your posts around sticking to that? Wow! It's what you just accused me of doing!

Ben claimed a fucking day scanning role. Those can't be Roleblocked. And it's Day 1.

Lynching Ben is not a good move. It's not a smart move.

At least you finally gave your real reasoning. It's better than the reasoning before. You don't lynch power claims day 1 basically.

i don't think it has to be specifically a "day-only roleblocker", it could just be an all-purpose roleblocker that blocks all actions taken until the following night phase

Town Scare / Scum Ben / 3P Isquen is where my mind is too

Also, I am buying it.

If a Scum has the role of "Vanilla", then day rolecop is not dangerous to them.
If a Scum has the role of "Doctor", then day rolecop is not dangerous to them.

Conversely, let me tell you about the terror known as Day Normal Cop.

If a Scum is scanned and not Godfather, they're fucked!

I'm thinking neither Ben or Isquen.

Hear me out

1. Isquen has a dead ended claim as scum.
2. If Ben is scum he also has a dead end claim as scum

Both are going to work themselves out regardless right?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm thinking neither Ben or Isquen.

Hear me out

1. Isquen has a dead ended claim as scum.
2. If Ben is scum he also has a dead end claim as scum

Both are going to work themselves out regardless right?

No?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm thinking neither Ben or Isquen.

Hear me out

1. Isquen has a dead ended claim as scum.
2. If Ben is scum he also has a dead end claim as scum

Both are going to work themselves out regardless right?

i'll humor this. who do you suggest instead?

Has Ben claimed a flavor?

It would really help if Isquen had been around to answer to any of this, in particular I'd like to hear his role from him.

Corrik7 posted...

At least you finally gave your real reasoning. It's better than the reasoning before. You don't lynch power claims day 1 basically.

Just afk already. If all you're here to do is make shit up, then don't bother being here.

changmas posted...

i'll humor this. who do you suggest instead?

That is the hard part now isn't it.

Lea is interesting option for my poor reasoning of just not feeling her towny vibe so far.

An inactive is always a okay option.

Who is protecting Ben and who is protecting isqeun the most? Could go thst route.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Just afk already. If all you're here to do is make shit up, then don't bother being here.

You literally just said this...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ah, so you decided that Ben was Scum early on and you're warping all of your posts around sticking to that? Wow! It's what you just accused me of doing!

Ben claimed a fucking day scanning role. Those can't be Roleblocked. And it's Day 1.

Lynching Ben is not a good move. It's not a smart move.

That's in fucking addition to the other stuff I was saying. It's not my "real reason".

Has plum made an appearance since replacing in?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's in fucking addition to the other stuff I was saying. It's not my "real reason".

Han not Ben or Isquen who you leaning on same question to corrik as well?

Seriously Corrik, nothing pisses me off more than people misconstruing me. If you continue to do it, then your are admitting, as of this point, that you're only doing it deliberately to troll.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han not Ben or Isquen who you leaning on same question to corrik as well?

Corrik. He admitted to just tunneling Ben all day. He's actively trolling on purpose. Not Town.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's in fucking addition to the other stuff I was saying. It's not my "real reason".

Han, I don't know if your intention here is to be a condescending ass to piss me off purposely to get me off this, but if you keep it up with your nonsense posts like "just afk already", things are about to get very ugly here.

Get off your high horse already if you are town or stop playing that way as scum because you are scared of me and are trying to piss me off to the point of doing something stupid.

You aren't better than me. And, I play this game for fun, not to be purposely riled up with that crap.

Your post very succinctly says "He claimed this role. It's a strong role. It's Day 1. It's not smart to lynch this". Which is a play I go to a lot, its not good value to lynch power roles day 1 unless it's overwhelming evidence.

I was trying to understand your thinking, because that made more sense. And you responded with that nonsense.

Like cut it out, man.

I gave you a list early Sultan. Go read it.

JC is at least around and saying things of worth, but I'll point out that post 1.127, was the first thing of substance he did on the game and it was just an opportunistic push of you, Sultan.

Post 1.257 was a similar thing, edging Lopen forward a bit.

Death is still on my list.

I'm going to be gone in 10 minutes for the day, so I won't be able to tell you if Plum is Scum, but Stan may have just been posting informed "catch up" posts that wouldn't have made sense for him to make without being more around when he made them, but I don't have time to go back and analyze.

Corrik7 posted...

Han, I don't know if your intention here is to be a condescending ass to piss me off purposely to get me off this, but if you keep it up with your nonsense posts like "just afk already", things are about to get very ugly here.

Get off your high horse already if you are town or stop playing that way as scum because you are scared of me and are trying to piss me off to the point of doing something stupid.

You aren't better than me. And, I play this game for fun, not to be purposely riled up with that crap.

Your post very succinctly says "He claimed this role. It's a strong role. It's Day 1. It's not smart to lynch this". Which is a play I go to a lot, its not good value to lynch power roles day 1 unless it's overwhelming evidence.

I was trying to understand your thinking, because that made more sense. And you responded with that nonsense.

Like cut it out, man.

I would say this same thing back to you, and it would be 100% accurate, so I'll leave you with this:

Quit cherry picking words in my posts and misrepresenting what I've said. If you don't realize you're doing it, then get a coffee and go back and actually try reading. It is SO obnoxious to have to deal with this crap from you multiple times here.

Corrik7 posted...

And, I play this game for fun, not to be purposely riled up with that crap.

Ah, so that's your real reason for voting Ben.

(that's how you come across to me, just for example)

Han who is your vote on?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I would say this same thing back to you, and it would be 100% accurate, so I'll leave you with this:

Quit cherry picking words in my posts and misrepresenting what I've said. If you don't realize you're doing it, then get a coffee and go back and actually try reading. It is SO obnoxious to have to deal with this crap from you multiple times here.

What's annoying to me is how you people specifically do this stuff with people and then cry woe is me when Ulti lashes out or act confused when BCT freaks out over it. It's why I every game trying to tell you guys to stop on BCT and not use it as an underhanded tactic against him. But, it will not happen versus me. I have zero qualms at giving it fucking back. It's bush league play and unless we wanna go back to the days of where we let vitriol dominate these games, then it needs to stop.

I am arguing who I think we should lynch. I have tried to understand your reasoning in a way which makes more sense, and I tried to acknowledge your true reasoning as I see it... which I was saying I could see that angle... before you went to stupid areas in your response to me.

You can clearly see I am frustrated already. I literally said it and said why I am. And, you accuse me of trolling for having literal reasoning across the board for my view, when to me... your comments are the ones that look like trolling. "just afk. No reason to be here". Yadda yadda. That looks like trolling to me, but I mean, I've never trolled before obviously so what do i know.

Anyway, here's the dumps:

Ben is claimed scanned. Don't kill.
If you don't trust Ben (and think Isquen could be Town), then don't kill Isquen.

I present to you: JC, Death, BCT.

Take one and go. Maybe Ben is Scum. I could very well see it. But truth is, none of the three claims seem like a Scum move.

Corrik7 posted...

What's annoying to me is how you people specifically do this stuff with people and then cry woe is me when Ulti lashes out or act confused when BCT freaks out over it. It's why I every game trying to tell you guys to stop on BCT and not use it as an underhanded tactic against him. But, it will not happen versus me. I have zero qualms at giving it fucking back. It's bush league play and unless we wanna go back to the days of where we let vitriol dominate these games, then it needs to stop.

I am arguing who I think we should lynch. I have tried to understand your reasoning in a way which makes more sense, and I tried to acknowledge your true reasoning as I see it... which I was saying I could see that angle... before you went to stupid areas in your response to me.

You can clearly see I am frustrated already. I literally said it and said why I am. And, you accuse me of trolling for having literal reasoning across the board for my view, when to me... your comments are the ones that look like trolling. "just afk. No reason to be here". Yadda yadda. That looks like trolling to me, but I mean, I've never trolled before obviously so what do i know.

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cut out that shit, stop trying to "understand me" by deciding what I think (I didn't decide Scare was Town and building everything off of that). And we'll be good!

Stop "deciding" what I think, and start actually reading and listening.

And we'll be good.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Anyway, here's the dumps:

Ben is claimed scanned. Don't kill.
If you don't trust Ben (and think Isquen could be Town), then don't kill Isquen.

I present to you: JC, Death, BCT.

Take one and go. Maybe Ben is Scum. I could very well see it. But truth is, none of the three claims seem like a Scum move.

Okay BCT I think is kind if Confirmed 3rd party. Could just kill it and call it a day today but seems town related 3rd party.

Jc I have played with like twice and Death. Hmm

I don't believe for one second BCT is 3P

TotallyNotMI posted...

I don't believe for one second BCT is 3P

How so?

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Yes, but I didn't make that post because of ego. I didn't base my thoughts on Isquen/Ben off of that. DECIDING that conclusion is where the issue is.

If Corrik wants to understand, he can ask instead of telling me what's in my head.

And I don't think Corrik is being hostile. I just have a particularly bad pet peeve about this. I am reacting stronger than I should. I am sorry Corrik. But PLEASE fucking stop telling me what I think.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

How so?

What benefit would it have as 3P?

Like, fuck, Corrik, I've said you've been good lately and you've earned the clout. I'm not trying to aggress you as a player or put my own ego above you.

Scare doesn't think highly of Lopen's Town play. Ask him if he's around to corroborate that.

And as we've all said in this game (minus Sultan), Lopen has a way of creating a nexus of nonsense. The kill is pretty nonsensical. I stand by that. When I say Scare would shoot me/MI/Lea, that's not an ego thing, that's a "I know Scare and I know who Scare respects and who he would be more likely to kill as Scum".

TotallyNotMI posted...

What benefit would it have as 3P?

Well I think BCT is partly lying about both spots abilities I think his suprak does more than just provide a 2nd vote but could be wrong and it being a survivor esc role hense why I said town related

I'm a bit torn, I do not think it would be optimal play to say all this in Ben's case, he wasn't pushed that hard yet, he didn't actually wait for Isquen's answer, though he did attempt to for a while but i also really don't see the lie here. If Isquen is town he simply says he's exactly what he claimed and Ben is doomed for what? Suiciding into a day vig day 1?. It's why I initially went to Isquen being non-town and Ben scum day role cop, as has been repeated by others since, because it's the setup in which Ben's actions make sense to me. If Isquen is town I really doubt Ben is scum. Isquen scum and Ben town is possible, though it still requires a non-town Isquen to have made that counterclaim to Scare. Both could be also be town, I'm not finding that too likely. Isquen seems like the go to choice because the setups with him as non-town seem more likely and then we're also not lynching a very good role. However, I could more easily see Ben do crazy play like this and I also thought he looked more off before the claims, so ultimately I'll let my vote stay where it is and go with the more gut feel. I fall asleep now.