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rexcrk
12/06/22 11:00:39 AM
#51:


cjsdowg posted...
The Actor playing Finn called his treatment. We have the first black lead of in Star Wars, demoted to little more than a tertiary character. Because RJ said he can relate to Kylo . So uplited him to both second pro-tag and love interest. While the former slaved and child solider is a belittled and beat by our heroes ?

Rey story stop being about him, and became just about Kylo. For no reason at all she was into him and now her goal was to change the literal genocidal abuser .

But I love when people call black people names for pointing out racism .

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a33894256/john-boyega-star-wars-finn-racism-interview/


Well you certainly have an interesting way of looking at things.

But then again, given the type of posts and topics I typically see you make, Im actually not surprised at all.


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VeggetaX
12/06/22 11:01:15 AM
#52:


Fans are so weird. Imagine being so petty in hating the sequels so much that now you'll start praising the prequels.

It's the same with Dragon Ball fans. They hate Super so much that some will now praise how good GT is LMAO.

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cjsdowg
12/06/22 11:02:28 AM
#53:


rexcrk posted...


Well you certainly have an interesting way of looking at things.

But then again, given the type of posts and topics I typically see you make, Im actually not surprised at all

Not surprised that I agree with the black actor who spoke about how he dealt with racism from the studio? And I see that you didn't counterpart. To what was posted and the words of the actor himself.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/06/22 11:04:23 AM
#54:


VeggetaX posted...
Fans are so weird. Imagine being so petty in hating the sequels so much that now you'll start praising the prequels.

It's the same with Dragon Ball fans. They hate Super so much that some will now praise how good GT is LMAO.
I'm glad I'm not a fan of anything. I just like things that I think are neat.

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Oubliettes
12/06/22 11:06:07 AM
#55:


super is the shit
10x better than db/z/gt
SW ST sucks hutt ass
PT was funny at the very least

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FortuneCookie
12/06/22 11:13:06 AM
#56:


I mean. I thought that ruining Darth Vader was the worst thing that could happen to Star Wars, but killing off the entire original male cast was even worse. It's compounded by the fact that the sole survivor, Princess Leia, is lost to us in real life. There's genuinely no reason for a fan of the original Star Wars to keep going unless you just like seeing spaceships fight each other.
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Oubliettes
12/06/22 11:28:55 AM
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also PT had a bangin soundtrack
trade federation march prolly my fav SW song besides kayfoundo naweea

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InTheEyesOfFire
12/06/22 11:29:27 AM
#59:


Delta_Force posted...
I've never claimed da contrary.

It's just a fact.


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NeonTentacles
12/06/22 11:29:48 AM
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Yeah, Sequel trilogy has Z E R O songs that I can remember. Meanwhile Prequels had at least 1 or 2 absolute BANGERS from each film. What the hell happened? Was John Williams in zombie mode or something?

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masterpug53
12/06/22 11:31:50 AM
#61:


Not gonna lie, it will be pretty cathartic to watch the current gen of SW fans pull their hair out when the next gen talks about how great the ST is, especially compared to the inevitable 10-12 trilogy.

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nativengine
12/06/22 11:32:05 AM
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The PT at least gave us the Clone Wars and Bad Batch+ a bit of Solo and Andor. The ST has produced nothing of value. I was a wait and see guy till TRoS and now Im a the ST sucks kinda guy. The ST is filled with what was the point moments. Its a shame because they had good ideas with Rey, Finn and Poe but they fucked it up.

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FortuneCookie
12/06/22 11:38:34 AM
#63:


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Good stories are about characters, not events or settings.

Even if they had a cast to match the original, they could never compete with decades of knowing who the original characters are. That's the number one thing studios don't get. Replacing a cast isn't the same as putting new tires on an old car or getting a new blanket for your bed. There's an emotional connection that can't be replicated.
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gasgpmo
12/06/22 11:45:00 AM
#64:


By sequels you mean the newer ones? Then yes, that was always obvious. As bad as the prequels are, they are at least somewhat original, rather than cheap nostalgic cashgrabs like 7. And apparently 8 and 9 are even worse. 7 was bad enough for me to not watch any further.

Basically, the OT was written for children, who then grew up into manchildren. No problems here, the audience got what it wanted.

The PT was written for a new generation of children (who also later grew up into manchildren), which is why the original manchildren hated it, they were not pandered to enough. Bad movies because Lucas at this point was revered and nobody countered his bad ideas, but all of this was only a real problem if you were one of the OT manchildren and your impossible-to-meet expectations were shattered.

The sequels were written for children and manchildren, which is why both of the previous groups seemed to like it at first. Eventually the manchildren realized it was devoid of any substance, as it was a movie for everyone, which meant it was really for no one. Getting exactly what you want isn't always a good thing, it usually means you're being pandered to by a cynical creator/corporation.
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rexcrk
12/06/22 11:56:19 AM
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God Im so glad I fall into that very small category of people who can just watch the movies and legitimately enjoy them without letting dumbass politics and shit skew my view


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Bringit
12/06/22 12:02:50 PM
#66:


I am able to enjoy both TFA and TLJ well enough, despite some personal dislikes about certain things.

TRoS however is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I left it a year since that movie's release before giving the whole trilogy a fresh watch through and I think I actually liked TRoS even less than the first time (while appreciating the first two more). It is a complete dumpster fire of a film, I am fairly certain I will never watch the movie again.

No such issue with the PT.

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masterpug53
12/06/22 12:19:52 PM
#67:


Bringit posted...
I am able to enjoy both TFA and TLJ well enough, despite some personal dislikes about certain things.

TRoS however is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I left it a year since that movie's release before giving the whole trilogy a fresh watch through and I think I actually liked TRoS even less than the first time (while appreciating the first two more). It is a complete dumpster fire of a film, I am fairly certain I will never watch the movie again.

No such issue with the PT.

My personal metric is 'would I actually want to rewatch these movies,' something I recently confirmed with an (attempted) franchise rewatch, and it breaks down like so:

Ep 1: Maybe
Ep 2: No
Ep 3: No

Ep 7: Maybe
Ep 8: Maybe
Ep 9: lol fuck no

The ST wins on sheer numbers, but boy oh boy does TRoS singlehandedly drag it down to a near-tie.

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sabin017
12/06/22 12:30:43 PM
#68:


PT is a cringy live-action cartoon
ST at least has competent filmmaking

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Gobstoppers12
12/06/22 1:54:03 PM
#69:


FortuneCookie posted...
killing off the entire original male cast was even worse.
Excuse me? Are you forgetting Lando? Chewie? R2 and C-3PO?

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Smackems
12/06/22 1:56:24 PM
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Ya

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Damn_Underscore
12/06/22 2:16:39 PM
#71:


One thing is for sure, the media involving or referencing the prequel trilogy is SO much better than the equivalent for the sequel trilogy

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NeonTentacles
12/06/22 2:20:34 PM
#72:


Damn_Underscore posted...
One thing is for sure, the media involving or referencing the prequel trilogy is SO much better than the equivalent for the sequel trilogy
Prequels did have tons of quality spinoff stuff like Episode 1 Racer, Battle for Naboo, Battlefront 1 & 2, Clone Wars cartoon, Clone Wars 3D show, Bounty Hunter, Darth Maul in THPS3, Jango Fett in THPS4 >_>

I can't think of anything with the sequels in it besides the new Battlefront 2.

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EndOfDiscOne
12/06/22 2:38:55 PM
#73:


And prequel memes are hilarious. I think people are still too pissed off about ST to find the memes funny.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
12/06/22 2:42:34 PM
#74:


The prequels are a level of world building rarely ever seen in movies.

The sequels are enjoyable well-placed scifi.

They're both bad for their own reasons, and they both have value.

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Unknown480
12/06/22 2:51:35 PM
#75:


No because I honestly think the sequel trilogy are still the best ones and better than the prequel trilogy and original trilogy.
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DeadBankerDream
12/06/22 2:52:35 PM
#76:


Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
The prequels are a level of world building rarely ever seen in movies.
By your tone I'd assume you meant this in a positive way, but I can't imagine why.

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Nirvanas_Nox
12/06/22 2:54:32 PM
#77:


I've always loved the prequels. The sequels are pure trash though.

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Unknown480
12/06/22 2:58:16 PM
#78:


Nirvanas_Nox posted...
The sequels are pure trash though.
They're not.
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electricbugs2
12/06/22 2:58:21 PM
#79:


I like all three trilogies, but as far as Disney Star Wars goes I think my favourite is probably Solo. I wanted an underworld SW movie for so long and Solo is exactly what I always wanted. I watched it in theatres with my cousins husband and we both damn near shit our pants at the ending reveal.

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FortuneCookie
12/06/22 3:14:54 PM
#80:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Excuse me? Are you forgetting Lando? Chewie? R2 and C-3PO?

I mean, between the three of them, they didn't really do anything of note.

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DeadBankerDream
12/06/22 3:18:27 PM
#81:


If you think Lando's appearance in Ridgeway of Skywalker was anything other than an insult to the character, you strike me as incredibly easy to please.

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Nirvanas_Nox
12/06/22 3:22:42 PM
#82:


Unknown480 posted...
They're not.

They are. That's my opinion. One you don't have to share.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/06/22 3:31:42 PM
#84:


DeadBankerDream posted...
If you think Lando's appearance in Ridgeway of Skywalker was anything other than an insult to the character, you strike me as incredibly easy to please.
I don't see how it's any more of an insult than his appearance in Return of the Jedi, where he was basically there to deliver some one-liners and wear a funny costume. Though I guess the difference between the two is one of being kind of dull, and the other being kind of cringe.

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garan
12/06/22 3:31:52 PM
#85:


JumpstyIe posted...
slightly? significantly.
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masterpug53
12/06/22 3:34:37 PM
#86:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I don't see how it's any more of an insult than his appearance in Return of the Jedi, where he was basically there to deliver some one-liners and wear a funny costume. Though I guess the difference between the two is one of being kind of dull, and the other being kind of cringe.

The fuck...? The space battle was one of the highlights of RotJ, and Lando was the main character for that segment.

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iPhone_7
12/06/22 3:36:33 PM
#87:


Its easier to sit through a viewing of any the sequel films than it is with Episode 2 or especially Episode 1.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
12/06/22 5:14:15 PM
#88:


DeadBankerDream posted...
By your tone I'd assume you meant this in a positive way, but I can't imagine why.

Why would I say the incredible world building is a negative?

Id be tempted to say you weren't familiar with the franchise before the prequels.

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DeadBankerDream
12/06/22 5:19:38 PM
#89:


I'd say that a random ass droid that appears 30 years later as a tool used by a princess on the run from the empire, in a giant fucking galaxy, actually being built on another planet by the kid who grows up to be the imperial enforcer chasing her as she utilizes said droid is so proposterous that it nearly ruins the entire world building of the franchise in and of itself. Nevermind the idea that said kid built a stiff, bad at bending, protocol droid to help his mom clean up in her tiny ass slave quarters.

The legacy of the prequels in terms of world building is that they take a galaxy and shrink it to the size of a dozen or so people constantly intersecting like some sort of poorly written Benny Hill hallway door sketch.

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bo_danvers
12/06/22 6:40:25 PM
#90:


Nothing to admit; it is simply fact.
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Unknown480
12/07/22 1:41:55 AM
#91:


Nirvanas_Nox posted...
They are. That's my opinion. One you don't have to share.
They're not. It's a fact that you can never change.
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TheValiant
12/07/22 1:44:23 AM
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Well, I anyway thought they were better than the Original Trilogy

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TheValiant
12/07/22 1:45:44 AM
#93:


Unknown480 posted...
They're not. It's a fact that you can never change.

Someone get my man here some Preparation H!

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Unknown480
12/07/22 1:47:48 AM
#94:


TheValiant posted...
Someone get my man here some Preparation H!
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Stallion_Prime
12/07/22 1:53:32 AM
#95:


At least the sequels have decent acting

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Joelypoely
12/07/22 1:54:55 AM
#97:


3 > 1 > 7 >> 2 >> 8 = 9

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Pitlord_Special
12/07/22 2:09:38 AM
#98:


The prequels are fine films and you underestimate their power

Sequels are bad fan fictions whose legitimacy is derived solely from capital.

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ZeroCredibility
12/07/22 6:33:02 AM
#99:


NeonTentacles posted...
I think Last Jedi is worse than Rise of Skywalker personally
mus b y lucas...
ep vii premier = attended
ep viii premier = attended
ep ix premier = skipped
... cause "ix so good" rite?

__starsnostars posted...
9 single-handedly devalues the sequel trilogy if not the franchise or even film as a medium of art. It's that bad.
= the answer (sad)

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/07/22 11:04:54 AM
#100:


Stallion_Prime posted...
At least the sequels have decent acting
They also have decent action direction, set design, costumes, makeup, cinematography, pacing, character and scenario writing...

The only attributes I'd say the prequels do, definitively, better than the sequels is creature design and utility, and music and utility of music.

The creature designs kinda speak for themselves...they're just not very memorable. Maz Kanata just looks like a reject from Fire in the Sky, and while she's serviceably utilized in TFA, she's absolutely the worst part of the other two movies, even though she's thankfully brief in TLJ. Her inclusion in TRoS is so bad that I'm certain "Maz Kanata walking around with some fat guy explaining random things" will one day become a meme. It's so bad its almost charming, like, Ed Wood movie badness. The rest of the creatures from TFA are just sort of...serviceable. I don't much remember them. The porgs are a highlight; they're very silly and very Star Warsy creations, but the Falthiers and all the denizens of Canto Bight are bland offerings. Rise of Skywalker has Klaud, who is also a perfectly silly and Star Warsy creation, but he's on screen for like five seconds and the rest of the movie is fairly bland in this regard. Needless to say, for better or for worse, the prequels are replete with memorable Muppet mugging.

As for music, well, Rey's theme is the only thing that really sticks out, and it's a lovely piece of music that I occasionally listen to while doing stuff, but I barely remember it actually being in the movies. The prequels has Duel of the Fates, which is so good my memories were distorted and I forgot it originated in the prequels for the longest time.

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roju
12/07/22 11:12:49 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/223-star-wars/80086351
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