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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:27:45 AM #1: |
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/12/01/ senate-approves-contract-to-avert-rail-strike-but- denies-unions-request-for-more-sick-leave/?sh=67263a7e7d6b In a separate 52-43 vote, the Senate rejected seven days of paid sick leave for rail workers, who have complained that current policies keep them on call for days or weeks at a time and penalize those who call out sick. GET IN LINE!!! You exist to feed our wallets! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/02/22 11:28:40 AM #2: |
fuck joe biden --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:29:02 AM #3: |
Progressive lawmakers sided with the rail companies and introduced amendments to include the paid sick leave in the contract. But the unions have little recourse now that the Senate has approved the deal without the new sick leave policy. If Congress imposes the terms of our next contract, then pursuant to the Railway Labor Act, thats the end of the line, Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Spokesperson Clark Ballew told Forbes this week, citing the 1926 labor law that gives the federal government the power to intervene in railroad contract disputes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGreatEscape 12/02/22 11:30:28 AM #4: |
US work laws are so laughable holy shit --- The user formerly known as RogerHuxley ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 12/02/22 11:30:31 AM #5: |
Time for them to strike now. Don't back down. --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone // https://www.last.fm/user/crushedaria ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:31:13 AM #6: |
FaultyCircuitry posted... Time for them to strike now. Don't back down. they go to jail can lose their pensions stuff like that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 12/02/22 11:34:03 AM #7: |
WingsOfGood posted... they go to jail What are they going to do? Arrest every rail worker and put themselves in the same situation of having no rail workers as a strike would have done? I know the pressure will be there on enough of them that they no longer will, but now is the best time to prove that they will not back down and to demonstrate the power of united labor. --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone // https://www.last.fm/user/crushedaria ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/02/22 11:34:39 AM #8: |
FaultyCircuitry posted... What are they going to do? Arrest every rail worker and put themselves in the same situation of having no rail workers as a strike would have done?Thats easy for us to say from the comfort of our homes --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 12/02/22 11:35:12 AM #9: |
So the new deal includes no leave at all or just the minimum 4 days which was counteroffered? --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/02/22 11:36:18 AM #10: |
Biden should veto --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 12/02/22 11:36:58 AM #11: |
WingsOfGood posted... they go to jailDoesn't change the fact that it needs to happen. It will absolutely destroy the supply chain and collapse the economy. With that as your leverage you can force them to the table. Nothing moves without the worker. A huge chunk of strikes during the gilded age were illegal also, but they got shit done. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 12/02/22 11:37:01 AM #12: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Biden should vetolol he supports this --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:37:11 AM #13: |
FaultyCircuitry posted... What are they going to do? Arrest every rail worker and put themselves in the same situation of having no rail workers as a strike would have done? Well the fatcats hope most will not strike due to the fear. The few who do can be HEAVILY HEAVILY penalized and made an example Sure, if they all strike it becomes harder to do this but they would still try This is about power and control and the government is already sticking its nose in there saying "this is OUR power and CONTROL!" Do you think if they all striked and they try to wipe their pensions Biden would be on the side of the workers all the sudden? Or these sentators? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/02/22 11:37:18 AM #14: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Biden should vetoBiden is going to sit on it until the 9th. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ar0ge 12/02/22 11:40:19 AM #15: |
So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:42:12 AM #16: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is? If that is what it takes to give basic human rights to these workers. But thing is, it shouldn't take that. Congress should passed law to give them their sick days. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 12/02/22 11:42:43 AM #17: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is?If it secures the rights of workers, the people who actually make your economy work, absolutely. I say that as a guy whose job is entirely dependent on the supply chain working. I'm already spending two weeks furloughed in December because of supply chain issues. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 12/02/22 11:42:56 AM #18: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is?The choices are 1) Nothing happens to the supply chain and workers lose their jobs if they get sick 2) Nothing happens to the supply chain and workers don't become homeless for getting sick Why do you hate railroad workers @Ar0ge? --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 12/02/22 11:42:58 AM #19: |
WingsOfGood posted... they go to jail Once upon a time, someone could go to jail for refusing to move to the back of the bus. When the law is corrupt, breaking the law because ethical. But that's easy for me to say. I'm not in the line of fire. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 12/02/22 11:43:03 AM #20: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is?What's so bad about giving people sick days --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/02/22 11:44:29 AM #21: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is?The only options werent fuck the rail workers or destroy the economy --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kami_no_Kami 12/02/22 11:44:33 AM #22: |
Fuck we need a fresh start. This shit is revolting. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 12/02/22 11:44:54 AM #25: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is? If it gives power to labor in this country? Absolutely. Temporary economic consequences are worth the cost it takes to empower the working class. Also yes, I'm aware it's not likely to happen because livelihoods are on the line as well as retirements Still doesn't change that striking now would be a long term HUGE victory for labor --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone // https://www.last.fm/user/crushedaria ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 12/02/22 11:45:27 AM #26: |
Kami_no_Kami posted... Fuck we need a fresh start. This shit is revolting. An entire generation of politicians would need to be phased out first. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 12/02/22 11:45:45 AM #27: |
Still dont get how republicans can literally screw over their voters and they take it. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:46:20 AM #28: |
Kain_Highwind posted... What's so bad about giving people sick days https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/rail-strike-why-the-railroads-wont-give-in-on-paid-leave-psr-precision-scheduled-railroading.html
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 11:48:09 AM #29: |
Americas major freight carriers have shed 30 percent of their employees. To compensate for this lost staffing, remaining workers must tolerate irregular schedules and little time off p-p-p-p-p-p-rofits!!!!!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkBuster22904 12/02/22 12:01:06 PM #30: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is?Absolutely. The economy NEEDS to absolutely tank. It's current state is deplorable. We've got situations like this, where people as essential as railroad workers risk getting fired of they ever, EVER get sick. We've got CEOs getting hundred million dollar bonuses while their rank-and-file can't afford to eat at the company cafeteria. We've got thousands of people providing essential services for literal poverty wages. Even small businesses try to use their "small business" defense to JUSTIFY poverty wages, because somehow Jeff and Jan's dream of owning a dry cleaner means they're entitled to a worker living with their parents on cheap Ramen, for life. We've got slashed benefits across the board. We've got an entire generation that barely understands what a pension IS, nevermind having any hope of getting one. Wages have stagnated so hard that the median income hasn't budged in almost 50 years. We've got thinkpieces from major economic publications telling us that homeownership is a thing of the past, and we should embrace renting forever as some "new frontier." This economy absolutely needs to crash and burn. It will be absolutely shitty for a while, but its not like it's gonna get any better otherwise. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 12/02/22 12:06:24 PM #31: |
DarkBuster22904 posted... Absolutely.Yep. Sometimes you have to knock shit down to build something better on top of the ruins. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/02/22 12:08:18 PM #32: |
I don't know why this needed another topic, but people should be aware that the TC's intentionally omitting some pretty critical information on this topic, primarily that the railroad workers are getting literally everything else they asked for as part of negotiations which includes a 24% pay raise, bonuses paid out over multiple years, and a cap on how much they have to contribute towards health care. It was a huge win for them on everything except sick leave, but some people seem to really like pretending like all they were negotiating for was sick leave and they got nothing. Edit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63814432 The deal included 24% raises - the most in more than 40 years - and $5,000 in bonuses stretched over a series of annual payments. While employees would be expected to pay a larger portion of their health insurance costs, premiums would be restricted to a maximum of 15%. I'll also point out that the deal brokered was based on the Unions' own preferences and it seems like sick days was the only remaining holdout. They got everything else they wanted. The issue of paid sick leave was contentious during prior negotiations, with the unions - which had previously expressed a preference for higher wages and strong disability benefits over sick days - arguing that the immensely profitable railroad companies could afford them with minimal impact. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xXfireglzXx 12/02/22 12:14:01 PM #33: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is? Do you understand the dynamics of a hostage situation? --- Official ANCIENT Killer. I make account bets from time to time so either man up or shut up. The Quote is dedicated to those we have lost. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 12:15:28 PM #34: |
s0nicfan posted... I don't know why this needed another topic, but people should be aware that the TC's intentionally omitting some pretty critical information on this topic, primarily that the railroad workers are getting literally everything else they asked for as part of negotiations which includes a 24% pay raise, bonuses paid out over multiple years, and a cap on how much they have to contribute towards health care. It was a huge win for them on everything except sick leave, but some people seem to really like pretending like all they were negotiating for was sick leave and they got nothing. way to out yourself lmao imagine bootlicking RailRoad Barons and pretending IT IS OK THEY CANNOT CALL IN SICK EVER THEY SHOULDN'T GET SICK WOW ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/02/22 12:16:29 PM #35: |
s0nicfan posted... I don't know why this needed another topic, but people should be aware that the TC's intentionally omitting some pretty critical information on this topic, primarily that the railroad workers are getting literally everything else they asked for as part of negotiations which includes a 24% pay raise, bonuses paid out over multiple years, and a cap on how much they have to contribute towards health care. It was a huge win for them on everything except sick leave, but some people seem to really like pretending like all they were negotiating for was sick leave and they got nothing.Now, why do you think they still were holding out? --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ar0ge 12/02/22 12:16:40 PM #36: |
... I don't hate the workers. They already got most of what they wanted, and I absolutely think they should get their sick leave and I'm hoping that can be worked on later, but not at the cost of destroying the lives of most people in this country by halting the supply chain and destroying the economy even more. Wtf? How is that a solution to anything? As if things will just be "built better" afterward. That's not how it works. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 12:17:22 PM #37: |
WingsOfGood posted... Why do these rail barons hate paid leave so much? Why would a company have no problem handing out 24 percent raises, $1,000 bonuses, and caps on health-care premiums but draw the line on providing a benefit as standard and ubiquitous throughout modern industry as paid sick days? also s0nicfan posted... TC's intentionally omitting some pretty critical information LMAO YOU CAUGHT LYING LYING ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 12/02/22 12:17:23 PM #38: |
FaultyCircuitry posted... Time for them to strike now. Don't back down.Gee, and jack up prices of everything more than the 24% raise they managed to get from the railroads? --- Politicians are the weeds of the galaxy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 12/02/22 12:19:03 PM #39: |
Ar0ge posted... ... I don't hate the workers. They already got most of what they wanted, and I absolutely think they should get their sick leave and I'm hoping that can be worked on later, but not at the cost of destroying the lives of most people in this country by halting the supply chain and destroying the economy even more. Wtf?Is this some new fucking Duncan alt with this level of fearmongering? Goddamn, get a reality check. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xXfireglzXx 12/02/22 12:20:13 PM #40: |
Ar0ge posted... ... I don't hate the workers. They already got most of what they wanted, and I absolutely think they should get their sick leave and I'm hoping that can be worked on later, but not at the cost of destroying the lives of most people in this country by halting the supply chain and destroying the economy even more. Wtf? What's to stop the government from holding the economy hostage in future negotiations like they did this time? The precedent being set is honestly disastrous for the future of this country. --- Official ANCIENT Killer. I make account bets from time to time so either man up or shut up. The Quote is dedicated to those we have lost. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 12:21:00 PM #41: |
xXfireglzXx posted... What's to stop the government from holding the economy hostage in future negotiations like they did this time? The precedent being set is honestly disastrous for the future of this country. American Capitalism is let the future burn for the short term benefit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 12/02/22 12:21:37 PM #42: |
Yeah, I read that article about why the railroad companies won't budge on the leave thing a couple days ago, and it's absolutely disgusting. We have to stop making everything beholden to the shareholders. The railroad workers should absolutely strike still. Only that or an act of Congress will change things, and we all know who's side Congress is on. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CARRRNE_ASADA 12/02/22 12:23:02 PM #43: |
Ar0ge posted... So you guys want the supply chain and economy to get worse than it already is? So fuck you while I'm good? Where's your empathy? You could be one of those workers. --- SEXY SEXY! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/02/22 12:23:08 PM #44: |
WingsOfGood posted... way to out yourself lmao WingsOfGood posted... also Your gimmick isn't clever (or subtle) and your intentional bias is transparent. If you actually gave a shit about these issues more than your personal commitment to shitpost about them by riling people up you wouldn't need to be so disingenuous in your framing in the OP. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 12:24:01 PM #45: |
s0nicfan posted... Your gimmick isn't clever (or subtle) and your intentional bias is transparent. If you actually gave a s*** about these issues more than your personal commitment to s***post about them by riling people up you wouldn't need to be so disingenuous in your framing in the OP. You are the one with a gimmick. To bootlick capitalists every chance you get. And you are willing to LIE to do so You got caught LYING in this thread WOW ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 12/02/22 12:24:36 PM #46: |
WingsOfGood posted... If that is what it takes to give basic human rights to these workers. I thought Congress did pass it? Thats why it was raised to the Senate. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 12/02/22 12:26:19 PM #47: |
bigblu89 posted... I thought Congress did pass it? Thats why it was raised to the Senate.The House passed it. Congress refers to the House and Senate collectively. The Senate rejected it so Congress didn't pass it. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Silver_Patron 12/02/22 12:29:17 PM #48: |
See? This is what I mean when I say America is a third world country disguised as a first world country. A lot of countries in Europe are miles ahead of us in regards to worker rights --- RAIDER NATION Proud member of the silver/black fanbase for life! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 12/02/22 12:30:00 PM #49: |
ScazarMeltex posted... Yep. Sometimes you have to knock shit down to build something better on top of the ruins. Do you honestly believe that is what will happen? Or do you think it will cause all the dumb dumbs to blame this on democrats, they vote for republicans and then.... it just keeps getting worse? --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 12/02/22 12:31:22 PM #50: |
Silver_Patron posted... See? This is what I mean when I say America is a third world country disguised as a first world country. You are correct. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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