Poll of the Day > I don't like the new God of War games, they mean to criticize my masculinity.

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/28/22 6:44:23 PM
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Throughout both games Kratos keeps saying that he and everyone else has to "be better." Those exact words. Think I don't know what that's about? I went to college. You're not as nuanced as you think, God of War. I know what that's about. Those are the same buzzwords everyone uses to complain about "toxic masculinity."

They don't make games for my kind anymore. There's little place at all in the world for my kind anymore. I just want moments where it's okay to kill people.

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Hard_Light
11/28/22 7:33:34 PM
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ok

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Rotpar
11/28/22 9:02:40 PM
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Yeah, the psychotic god who killed his family, brutally slaughtered the Olympians, and nearly ended the world in the process has no reason to realize he's done wrong or want his son to have the discipline and control he lacked.

Unless the new game has Freya lecturing you about how men are bad, the battle you're looking for isn't here.

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Cacciato
11/28/22 9:22:37 PM
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Please refrain from making additional topics.

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Shananagainz
11/28/22 9:36:58 PM
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lmao

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Mensis
11/28/22 9:46:44 PM
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I mean he literally murdered his last family so I think doing better is probably a positive thing for the character.

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Shananagainz
11/28/22 9:52:27 PM
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Mensis posted...
I mean he literally murdered his last family so I think doing better is probably a positive thing for the character.

Shut up!!!! A fictional character having character development and trying to approach his past and regrets with some form of nuance while also trying not to be a terrible influence on his child is attacking OPs masculinity!!!!!! >:(

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BigOlePappy
11/28/22 10:08:03 PM
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1/10 troll.

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SoreChasm
11/28/22 10:19:34 PM
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Golly, what a stupid topic.

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 2:05:30 PM
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Rotpar posted...
Yeah, the psychotic god who killed his family, brutally slaughtered the Olympians, and nearly ended the world in the process has no reason to realize he's done wrong or want his son to have the discipline and control he lacked.

Unless the new game has Freya lecturing you about how men are bad, the battle you're looking for isn't here.

The "toxic masculinity" fight isn't about how men are bad, it's about how certain men are bad. I just happen to be one of those certain men.

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Yellow
11/29/22 3:10:25 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The "toxic masculinity" fight isn't about how men are bad, it's about how certain men are bad. I just happen to be one of those certain men.
Self report?
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DirtBasedSoap
11/29/22 3:10:46 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Please refrain from making additional topics.


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Shananagainz
11/29/22 3:21:36 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The "toxic masculinity" fight isn't about how men are bad, it's about how certain men are bad. I just happen to be one of those certain men.

This is saying a lot more about you than the people youre upset about lmao

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 3:22:49 PM
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Shananagainz posted...
This is saying a lot more about you than the people youre upset about lmao

I don't agree with the idea that my brand of masculinity is toxic.

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Shananagainz
11/29/22 3:24:51 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night homie

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BlackScythe0
11/29/22 3:29:47 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Please refrain from making additional topics.

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Yellow
11/29/22 3:32:47 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
I don't agree with the idea that my brand of masculinity is toxic.
That could range anywhere from "I beat my gf" to Andrew Tate levels of "women are property, younger ones are easier to manipulate", and I don't even like using that term
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mario2000
11/29/22 3:39:50 PM
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I appreciate the satire tc but just a suggestion, be a little more subtle next time.

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demonfang178
11/29/22 3:44:06 PM
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Yellow posted...
Andrew Tate levels of "women are property, younger ones are easier to manipulate"

He said something to that effect?
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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 3:56:00 PM
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Yellow posted...
That could range anywhere from "I beat my gf" to Andrew Tate levels of "women are property, younger ones are easier to manipulate", and I don't even like using that term

The fight is against both of those, and more. The spectrum of "toxicity" is wider than that.

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Yellow
11/29/22 4:20:47 PM
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demonfang178 posted...
He said something to that effect?
Oh yeah, Tate is a monster. He fled to Romania after he was charged with sexual harassment.

Tate starts every sentence with a horribly offensive/backwards take, and then by the end of that sentence he tries to make you feel like an idiot because "society". A pretty common theme is that a "real man" dominates his woman.

Hugely popular with teen boys, btw. There was a story where a teenage boy thought he had to insult his GF to keep her in her place, got dumped, and then shat all over Tate for giving him dumbfuck degenerate advice.
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Shananagainz
11/29/22 4:23:08 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The fight is against both of those, and more. The spectrum of "toxicity" is wider than that.


Dunno why you put quotations around toxicity when the examples provided are pretty toxic to begin with.

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Yellow
11/29/22 4:30:21 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The fight is against both of those, and more. The spectrum of "toxicity" is wider than that.
The truth is I can't tell what you mean when you say I hate "toxic masculinity" because for all I know you're talking about genuinely outdated attitudes.

Or you're just talking about Kratos having remorse for all the people he pointlessly murdered as a bad, not-masculine thing, which doesn't make sense to me
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BlackScythe0
11/29/22 4:30:30 PM
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demonfang178 posted...
He said something to that effect?

He didn't say "something to that effect" he said it. He plainly said his women is his property. It's one of the only quotes I've seen from him, I didn't want to see more, but it's easy to believe he said the other thing about young women.
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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 4:36:21 PM
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Shananagainz posted...
Dunno why you put quotations around toxicity when the examples provided are pretty toxic to begin with.

I didn't say they weren't, I'm saying the kind of man I am isn't toxic but people think I am. Even though I am not Andrew Tate and I don't beat my girlfriend.

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Yellow
11/29/22 4:37:38 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
I didn't say they weren't, I'm saying the kind of man I am isn't toxic but people think I am. Even though I am not Andrew Tate and I don't beat my girlfriend.
Yeah, what kind of man is that?
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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 4:38:52 PM
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Yellow posted...
Yeah, what kind of man is that?

The kind who wants moments where it's okay to kill people.

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Yellow
11/29/22 4:39:44 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The kind who wants moments where it's okay to kill people.
In Minecraft or Roblox? :)
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Yellow
11/29/22 4:42:16 PM
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Lol, I also like killing people in video games. I haven't played any God of War games, but if you prefer the mad Kratos over the new remorseful one I don't blame you.

Of course I'm just going to say that if either one were to exist irl I would choose the second one.
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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 4:44:03 PM
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Yellow posted...
In Minecraft or Roblox? :)

In God of War. I like the old Kratos, but this new Kratos is a deliberate rejection of him and the people who fetishize him. To that I say fuck you, yes I value vengeance and sex with hot ladies over whatever flowery bullshit Kratos cares about now. I don't wanna have to care about people.

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adjl
11/29/22 4:45:06 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The kind who wants moments where it's okay to kill people.

If you *want* moments where it's okay to kill people, there's something wrong with you and absolutely everyone in the world is 100% correct to point that out. If you just recognize that there are moments where it's okay to kill people, that's just common sense.

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Yellow
11/29/22 4:47:07 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
In God of War. I like the old Kratos, but this new Kratos is a deliberate rejection of him and the people who fetishize him. To that I say fuck you, yes I value vengeance and sex with hot ladies over whatever flowery bullshit Kratos cares about now. I don't wanna have to care about people.
Ok, I kind of like the new one, that's just your opinion

Don't think that makes me a feminazi
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Yellow
11/29/22 4:49:38 PM
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The only games I play like that are the Arkham ones. I feel like if you're some dude just walking around kicking people's asses, it's more impressive if you're doing it with a hand tied behind your back.

Otherwise they tend to feel like a goofy mass murderer simulator where one guy is unexplainably more powerful than anyone else.
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Shananagainz
11/29/22 4:55:42 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
In God of War. I like the old Kratos, but this new Kratos is a deliberate rejection of him and the people who fetishize him. To that I say fuck you, yes I value vengeance and sex with hot ladies over whatever flowery bullshit Kratos cares about now. I don't wanna have to care about people.

Treating a video game as an affront to your masculinity because it has feelings still says a lot more about you than anyone else. You could just play the old ones.

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Mensis
11/29/22 5:03:25 PM
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I'm pretty sure "killing people" is not an inherently masculine trait, but w/e

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Shananagainz
11/29/22 5:04:38 PM
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Mensis posted...
I'm pretty sure "killing people" is not an inherently masculine trait, but w/e

It isnt but here we are.

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 5:08:49 PM
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Yellow posted...
Ok, I kind of like the new one, that's just your opinion

Don't think that makes me a feminazi

You can like the new one, but the problem with those games is that they're saying I'm wrong for not liking the values it represents. It's not just that I have to like the game, I have to not like the things the game says are bad.

That's why the game keeps saying "be better." Because the way Kratos used to be is "worse." The message is "Vengeance is not good, justice is better. Compassion is better. To think otherwise makes you immature." I say fuck that, and fuck the games for saying that to me.

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Metalsonic66
11/29/22 5:12:34 PM
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lol

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Shananagainz
11/29/22 5:37:40 PM
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Still lost on how it attacks your masculinity since being a petty asshole isnt really exclusive to a single gender

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ReturnOfFa
11/29/22 6:07:06 PM
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Seems like there's a 'you' problem relating to your masculinity if it has to be defined by media for you lmfao

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adjl
11/29/22 6:33:48 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
That's why the game keeps saying "be better." Because the way Kratos used to be is "worse." The message is "Vengeance is not good, justice is better. Compassion is better. To think otherwise makes you immature." I say f*** that, and f*** the games for saying that to me.

That message is right, though, and if you're so wrapped up in your vindictive desires that you can't see that, perhaps this is exactly the wake-up call you need to become a better person. That's not a matter of masculinity, that's a matter of just not being dumb.

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GanonsSpirit
11/29/22 6:44:46 PM
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If I made a troll topic this obvious, no one would post. The world ain't fair.

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/29/22 11:01:08 PM
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Shananagainz posted...
Still lost on how it attacks your masculinity since being a petty asshole isnt really exclusive to a single gender

That's the argument a lot of men's rights activists make. That people look at these actions and beliefs and define them as "toxic masculinity," as if women were above this and all the world's evils were rooted in what bad men do and everything would be solved if men and men alone would be better.


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Yellow
11/30/22 12:48:09 AM
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I know you're trolling now because the MRA does anti-circumcision and paternal custody rights stuff which is actually pretty based

They don't whine about Kratos with 8 layers of analysis

Anita Sarkeesian man
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FatalAccident
11/30/22 1:13:31 AM
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What an mindbogglingly stupid and unfunny topic. Got second hand embarrassment for tc rn becos this was probably funnier in his head

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/30/22 12:14:58 PM
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Yellow posted...
I know you're trolling now because the MRA does anti-circumcision and paternal custody rights stuff which is actually pretty based

They don't whine about Kratos with 8 layers of analysis

Anita Sarkeesian man

You're picking and choosing your favorite parts. MRAs also criticize unfair portrayals of men in stories.

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Shananagainz
11/30/22 1:10:15 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
That's the argument a lot of men's rights activists make. That people look at these actions and beliefs and define them as "toxic masculinity," as if women were above this and all the world's evils were rooted in what bad men do and everything would be solved if men and men alone would be better.

But the games message isnt exclusive to just one gender though? Faye and Freya in game are both examples of that. If anything its a message about generational trauma and working towards making things better for their kids than men bad, be better.

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ItsKaljinyuTime
11/30/22 2:07:04 PM
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Shananagainz posted...
But the games message isnt exclusive to just one gender though? Faye and Freya in game are both examples of that. If anything its a message about generational trauma and working towards making things better for their kids than men bad, be better.

I know what this is about. When people complain about these things, they're saying toxic masculinity is at the root of it.

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Nichtcrawler-X
11/30/22 2:09:53 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
I know what this is about. When people complain about these things, they're saying toxic masculinity is at the root of it.

They complain about a form of toxic behaviour that is classically linked to masculinity, but not exclusive to it.

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EvilMegas
11/30/22 2:11:58 PM
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Everytime you make a topic I want to be on this site little less, which is an achievement.

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