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The bad Dallas showed up

Leonhart4 posted...

The bad Dallas showed up

As soon as he threw that ball, I said "uh oh" out loud.

Glad I didn't bite on Dallas in Ladder now

Yeah this felt like a letdown week for me.

Giving that up is the game right there.

always love it when a big TE leaps over somebody

i do not appreciate these TE getting these touchdowns

Parsons is so good, Jones had no chance on that play

15.5 about to hit

We all failed.

I wanted to use my 16 in this game but 10 is just so much and I used my 11 instead. Actually shocked to see the Giants being such a huge favorite in spreads.

Crescent-Moon posted...

15.5 about to hit

We all failed.

Cowboys can just run out the clock without scoring if they can get a first down here

LeonhartFour posted...

Cowboys can just run out the clock without scoring if they can get a first down here

It's 3rd and 13 they're just going to run and kick it

wide right lawl

HE MISSED

15.5 FAILS

We are spared!

Oh no trash time touchdown is coming my 11 is doomed

Dallas can you just play 40 more seconds of defense please?

Good job Giants you beat the spread because Dallas stopped trying

Gg -9.5

##Badbeats

the NFL really needs to change the rules to make onside kicks more viable

you essentially have to kick the ball perfectly (or the other team has to botch the recovery) to have any chance

I came into this week set to pick against the Giants every remaining week of the season and nothing I saw here convinced me otherwise.

Let's get to the next game.

LeonhartFour posted...

the NFL really needs to change the rules to make onside kicks more viable

you essentially have to kick the ball perfectly (or the other team has to botch the recovery) to have any chance

no way, onsides done any kind of reliably, breaks the game. If a team is down 2 scores that late, they deserve what they get. They don't need to be bailed out.

Emeraldegg posted...

no way, onsides done any kind of reliably, breaks the game. If a team is down 2 scores that late, they deserve what they get. They don't need to be bailed out.

I was about to post almost the exact same thing haha

Yep. Even semi-reliably would be bad.

Eh, the neutering of kickoffs and punts has made things more boring. Having 2 successful onside kicks and one punt return for TD all season is kind of lame.

Don't tell Kirk it's prime time

My only real worry in the Primetime Kirk Cousins angle is just how badly they got beaten down last week.

Of course it could just make the Kirk Cousins even harder

Mac came to play too

Let's do it

Leonhart4 posted...

Eh, the neutering of kickoffs and punts has made things more boring. Having 2 successful onside kicks and one punt return for TD all season is kind of lame.

This, plus, it's not like onsides used to be reliable. They were like 15% or something iirc, so already low. Now, it almost doesn't even matter if the kicker makes a great onside attempt.

Like Lamb tonight had the ability to knock the ball down in front of him and still no one even came close to recovering it for the kicking team.

And cousins throws a pick

Does it turn into 3 or 7

Almost every play on that drive had a receiver basically standing by himself uncovered.

Damnit Jets.

I'm fine with more boring if it's more fair, though obv I don't expect anyone to agree with me on that. I get the appeal. It's chaos. But I just don't like the idea of more teams losing after outplayign their opponent for all but 1 minute of the game then losing cause of some dumb fluke. I'd rather they eliminate onsides completely than give more of them.

I feel like the only thing that's really been stopping the Vikings is running the ball too much. Cousins is never pressured and the receivers are always open.

The Jets must be going mad watching this.

Emeraldegg posted...

I'm fine with more boring if it's more fair

then there's another football that might be more up your alley

Completely eliminating the onsides kick gives you a ton of games that are effectively a waste of time to watch in the last 4 minutes.

No thanks.

I feel like this will be tied at halftime and it's going to go down to if the Pats can make the adjustments necessary to actually cover the receivers.

Mac Jones just had one hell of a drive there.

But wasting that timeout on that bad slide
really cost them some TD shots. Shouldn't have settled for 3 so easily.

He was never touched on that return.

...Seems familiar

But also I kinda didn't expect the offense to be the one Patriot unit to actually seem reliable this game.

This feels like "first team to actually get a stop wins" which is uh.. A weird formula for the Pats.

It's constantly third and long for both teams and no one is ever covered.

Never thought I'd see a game where the Pats special teams is just completely throwing the game.

Asking onsides to be more weighted towards the dominant team is an interesting take, and not one that I'm surprised Leon takes.

Only need 87 yards in 53 seconds!

This feels like the Vikings should've put this away long ago with all the Pats mistakes.

Make that 99 yards in 30 because suddenly they can't protect Jones anymore~

A week after the Patriots special teams breaks the Jets, they give up 14 points to the Vikings in a 7 point loss

Sounds like the life of the Jets in a nutshell.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Asking onsides to be more weighted towards the dominant team is an interesting take, and not one that I'm surprised Leon takes.

It's not the position I take!

And I'm not asking for it to be like 50/50. Going back to when it was like a 15% success rate instead of the 5% success rate it currently is would still be better! What can I say, I enjoy exciting comebacks more than "rewarding" a team for being good for 59 minutes of a 60 minute game...!

I think teams should find more creative timing to do it if they want it to work more

I remember seeing somewhere a suggestion of do away with the kick return. Have teams just start at X yardline every time. And if a team wanted to try an onside kick they would instead start somewhere close to their own goal line and like 4th and 20 or something. I forget the exact numbers involved but it was along those lines

I don't mind the idea until some soft BS flag gives a team an automatic first down.

Leonhart4 posted...

It's not the position I take!

And I'm not asking for it to be like 50/50. Going back to when it was like a 15% success rate instead of the 5% success rate it currently is would still be better! What can I say, I enjoy exciting comebacks more than "rewarding" a team for being good for 59 minutes of a 60 minute game...!

Last year, the onside-kick success rate was 16%.

Too many games are over by the end because one team plays better for most of the game. When will the NFL introduce common sense changes to make things more exciting, like including a possible 20 point play if more than four laterals are completed in a single play within the two minute warning. I'll hang up and listen to your response.

it's sad what being a tennessee fan does to your mind

They should eliminate the onside kick and just make the clock stop after every play after the two minute warning so the winning team can't kneel the clock out

That'll never happen for safety reasons if nothing else but it would be kind of cool

I haven't actually thought this idea through it's probably very flawed

The No Fun Topic

Emeraldegg posted...

I think teams should find more creative timing to do it if they want it to work more

That's easier said than done when nobody can move until the ball is kicked.

Shattered posted...

I remember seeing somewhere a suggestion of do away with the kick return. Have teams just start at X yardline every time. And if a team wanted to try an onside kick they would instead start somewhere close to their own goal line and like 4th and 20 or something. I forget the exact numbers involved but it was along those lines

I don't mind the idea until some soft BS flag gives a team an automatic first down.

Yeah, this has been floating around for a little while now. This feels like a college gimmick, not something that belongs in the NFL. That being said, it almost feels like the way baseball stopped making teams throw 4 pitches for an intentional walk. Just say you want to walk them and they take the base. Just call every kickoff a touchback and start every team at the 25 for maximum boringness.

I get there's a player safety issue with kick and punt returns, but they used to be exciting plays. I just didn't realize nobody here missed them...!

Leonhart4 posted...

The No Fun Topic

That's easier said than done when nobody can move until the ball is kicked.

Yeah, this has been floating around for a little while now. This feels like a college gimmick, not something that belongs in the NFL. That being said, it almost feels like the way baseball stopped making teams throw 4 pitches for an intentional walk. Just say you want to walk them and they take the base. Just call every kickoff a touchback and start every team at the 25 for maximum boringness.

I get there's a player safety issue with kick and punt returns, but they used to be exciting plays. I just didn't realize nobody here missed them...!

I meant timing as in unexpected points during the game, not timing of the players during the kickoff itself. Example #1, saints/colts super bowl where the saints were sucking in the first half and caught them off guard with an onside kick right out of the halftime break. IMO a big reason why onsides hardly ever work is because they're ALWAYS expected. If an opponent is lined up in a standard kick return formation instead of an onside formation, that helps your chances of recovery.

If something JUST exists as a comeback mechanic, it sucks. There's fundamentally no difference between suprak's 20 points thing, and an onside kick done with any reliability. You're giving advantages to teams who didn't earn them. There's plenty in football to enjoy without sacrificing the competitive integrity of the game, we can have both. Making rules changes to help losing teams not lose just taints every single game, because if they do come back and win from something like an onside kick, they didn't earn it really imo. They got a fluky bounce.

You still occasionally see teams try surprise onside kicks, but it isn't really pertinent to late game comebacks.

One of the things I love about football is anything can happen and the game isn't necessarily over just because you're up 2 scores with 5 minutes left.

Leonhart4 posted...

You still occasionally see teams try surprise onside kicks, but it isn't really pertinent to late game comebacks.

One of the things I love about football is anything can happen and the game isn't necessarily over just because you're up 2 scores with 5 minutes left.

If a team makes 2 successive 3 and outs and then scores quickly each time, sure. At least they earned that through typical football play. Which onsides are not. But if there's not enough time to accomplish that, why should they continue to get chances to win? I get the game technically isn't over till it hits 0 but realistically, at some point there just isn't enough time to do what you need to do to come back if your'e down enough. What's wrong with that?

There's nothing "wrong" with it but I also don't get hating the idea of a team winning with the help of an onside kick so much that you'd rather just abolish the entire concept.