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DarkRoast 11/20/22 7:23:59 PM #51:	To me, it's not so much that TLJ is better or worse than ROS in as much as it's that TLJ is at least memorable. Granted, it's memorable mostly for how completely idiotic everything related to Holdo turned out to be, but I can't say the same for ROS. ROS was the most wrote, formulaic, by the numbers, check-off-a-checklist film that ever existed. --- Lenovo Legion 7 - Ryzen 5900HX, RTX 3080 16 GB (165W), 32 GB DDR4-3200 By Grabthar's hammer............... What a laptop. <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:969575530] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>To me, it's not so much that TLJ is better or worse than ROS in as much as it's that TLJ is at least memorable. Granted, it's memorable mostly for how completely idiotic everything related to Holdo turned out to be, but I can't say the same for ROS. ROS was the most wrote, formulaic, by the numbers, check-off-a-checklist film that ever existed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 11/20/22 7:45:53 PM #52:	Rise of Skywalker is basically two movies crammed into a single movie. It has to undo The Last Jedi in a bunch of ways, set up its own story and pay that off, and then pay off a bunch of TFA's lingering plot threads because it's the third movie in a trilogy. The Last Jedi ended the trilogy at the second movie, so TRoS has to basically fix that while trying to be its own thing and pay off the two prior movies that it's a sequel to, and the entire thing is held together with spit and tangled hair. The end result consists of flashy action scenes that always move forward, but which also feel very rushed because of the quick pace the entire movie has struck. They feel like theme park rides. Dialogue is almost entirely functional, nothing is lingered on - every line is a stepping stone to the next scene. Finn spends the entire movie yelling Rey's name and pointing at stuff, and the few times the dialogue tries to be funny, it's very flat quippy humor that lasts seconds at most. Leia is a prominent character, being a CGI Frankenstein made out of old footage and computer animation, and while they try to send off the character with some dignity and grace, I think they really hobbled themselves by making a character played by a dead woman as instrumental to the movie as they did. And all of that affects the plot. The movie is a series of McGuffin chases, where every scene is about getting one step further, then they get a new thing and they go somewhere else, then they get a new thing and go somewhere else - with that "functional dialogue only" thing making it that much more obvious, because everything they say is in service of Getting To The Next Thing. Leia's dialogue is basically a series of non-sequiters because they're stitching unrelated lines from the cutting room floor together to make any degree of sense, and you can tell. The way they explain Palpatine coming back is Poe saying "somehow, Palpatine returned". No other elaboration. That's it. They don't even play Palpatine's message in the movie, but they reference it constantly. The message debuted in Fortnite, of all places. You know when you were a kid and you'd be like RPing with some other kids at recess, and there was that one guy who always one-upped everyone by pulling some supershield or whatever out of nowhere to explain why he can't lose? That's Palpatine in this movie. His plan is "actually I'm saying this now". The action scenes might be entertaining if you look them up on YouTube, but you might see what I mean about how ADHD they are and how fast the movie rushes through everything just to get to the end point. The Rise of Skywalker is a compromised mess with no identity of its own. It tried to pander to Star Wars fans after TLJ was divisive, it tried to act as a capstone to 45 years of Star Wars - including a callback to the very first movie and a popular internet meme about Chewbacca - and it tried to do justice to what The Force Awakens started while undoing what people didn't like about The Last Jedi. It fails on all those fronts and more. Honestly, they should have made a quadrilogy. The third movie is where they walk TLJ back and re-establish the tone of the series, and then the fourth one is where Palpatine comes back with an actual coherent goal for an actual coherent reason that isn't just shallow fan-service. And they would have gotten to have their last movie as Episode X, which is fucking awesome. Instead, they crammed two movies into a single package, and the result was like taking a shit out of a moving car - it's the fastest turd you've ever seen, but the amusement wears off almost immediately and you're stuck with a shitty ass until the next gas station. --- Rest your head - you've got two pillows to choose from in a queen-sized bed Now Playing: Paladins, Minecraft, Danganronpa <cite>MrMallard posted [p:969575958] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Rise of Skywalker is basically two movies crammed into a single movie. It has to undo The Last Jedi in a bunch of ways, set up its own story and pay that off, and then pay off a bunch of TFA's lingering plot threads because it's the third movie in a trilogy. The Last Jedi ended the trilogy at the second movie, so TRoS has to basically fix that while trying to be its own thing and pay off the two prior movies that it's a sequel to, and the entire thing is held together with spit and tangled hair.The end result consists of flashy action scenes that always move forward, but which also feel very rushed because of the quick pace the entire movie has struck. They feel like theme park rides. Dialogue is almost entirely functional, nothing is lingered on - every line is a stepping stone to the next scene. Finn spends the entire movie yelling Rey's name and pointing at stuff, and the few times the dialogue tries to be funny, it's very flat quippy humor that lasts seconds at most.Leia is a prominent character, being a CGI Frankenstein made out of old footage and computer animation, and while they try to send off the character with some dignity and grace, I think they really hobbled themselves by making a character played by a dead woman as instrumental to the movie as they did.And all of that affects the plot. The movie is a series of McGuffin chases, where every scene is about getting one step further, then they get a new thing and they go somewhere else, then they get a new thing and go somewhere else - with that "functional dialogue only" thing making it that much more obvious, because everything they say is in service of Getting To The Next Thing. Leia's dialogue is basically a series of non-sequiters because they're stitching unrelated lines from the cutting room floor together to make any degree of sense, and you can tell. The way they explain Palpatine coming back is Poe saying "somehow, Palpatine returned". No other elaboration. That's it. They don't even play Palpatine's message in the movie, but they reference it constantly. The message debuted in Fortnite, of all places.You know when you were a kid and you'd be like RPing with some other kids at recess, and there was that one guy who always one-upped everyone by pulling some supershield or whatever out of nowhere to explain why he can't lose? That's Palpatine in this movie. His plan is "actually I'm saying this now".The action scenes might be entertaining if you look them up on YouTube, but you might see what I mean about how ADHD they are and how fast the movie rushes through everything just to get to the end point.The Rise of Skywalker is a compromised mess with no identity of its own. It tried to pander to Star Wars fans after TLJ was divisive, it tried to act as a capstone to 45 years of Star Wars - including a callback to the very first movie and a popular internet meme about Chewbacca - and it tried to do justice to what The Force Awakens started while undoing what people didn't like about The Last Jedi. It fails on all those fronts and more.Honestly, they should have made a quadrilogy. The third movie is where they walk TLJ back and re-establish the tone of the series, and then the fourth one is where Palpatine comes back with an actual coherent goal for an actual coherent reason that isn't just shallow fan-service. And they would have gotten to have their last movie as Episode X, which is fucking awesome. Instead, they crammed two movies into a single package, and the result was like taking a shit out of a moving car - it's the fastest turd you've ever seen, but the amusement wears off almost immediately and you're stuck with a shitty ass until the next gas station.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 11/20/22 7:52:43 PM #53:	Worse than the prequels at least they were bad in a fun way. You'll be scratching your head wondering how this movie got approved its by far the worst stars wars movie. I can only think of one scene worth watching it for --- XBL: Mrpicardbottoms PSN: Bosh369 <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:969576111] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Worse than the prequels at least they were bad in a fun way.You'll be scratching your head wondering how this movie got approved its by far the worst stars wars movie. I can only think of one scene worth watching it for </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 11/20/22 8:23:51 PM #54:	Southernfatman posted... TLJ killed my interest in SW so I never saw it. Seems like a good decision from what I hear. Nearly everything Disney has done with the IP has been good outside of the sequel trilogy...which is weird because that's the part of the franchise that should have had the most planning and focus. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:969576833] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>TLJ killed my interest in SW so I never saw it. Seems like a good decision from what I hear.</quote>Nearly everything Disney has done with the IP has been good outside of the sequel trilogy...which is weird because that's the part of the franchise that should have had the most planning and focus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown480 11/20/22 8:25:29 PM #55:	It's way better than Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that's for sure <cite>Unknown480 posted [p:969576867] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It's way better than Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that's for sure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteGuard99 11/20/22 8:31:54 PM #56:	Its the 3rd worst film of the Skywalker Saga, with the only films being worse are TPM and AotC. --- Republican Greg Abbott is a little piss baby. <cite>EliteGuard99 posted [p:969577008] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Its the 3rd worst film of the Skywalker Saga, with the only films being worse are TPM and AotC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 11/20/22 8:32:14 PM #57:	This is a weird one. Like its objectively worse than TLJ but TLJ is the main reason why RoS is bad. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:969577019] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>This is a weird one. Like its objectively worse than TLJ but TLJ is the main reason why RoS is bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Yahtz09 11/20/22 8:37:09 PM #58:	Its the worst Star Wars movie. --- Arkansas Razorbacks \|\| Oklahoma City Thunder \|\| Cleveland Sports <cite>The_Yahtz09 posted [p:969577137] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Its the worst Star Wars movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightRender 11/20/22 8:50:49 PM #59:	TLJ could be a very good middle act of a completely different trilogy. There is no version of any trilogy that RoS would be a good finale to. --- Dedicated to D - 4/15/05 <cite>NightRender posted [p:969577422] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>TLJ could be a very good middle act of a completely different trilogy.There is no version of any trilogy that RoS would be a good finale to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hulkhogan1 11/20/22 9:05:25 PM #60:	It wasnt that bad IMO but at the same time it really felt like they were just making a SW movie and didnt care about how it turned out. --- Hulkhogan1 is #AllElite brother! <cite>hulkhogan1 posted [p:969577716] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It wasnt that bad IMO but at the same time it really felt like they were just making a SW movie and didnt care about how it turned out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
B18Champ 11/20/22 9:06:00 PM #61:	TLJ actually had potential to be a great movie. Rise of Skywalker never felt like it could be great --- Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot <cite>B18Champ posted [p:969577725] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>TLJ actually had potential to be a great movie. Rise of Skywalker never felt like it could be great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pitlord_Special 11/20/22 9:09:54 PM #62:	I watched it once in the theater when it came out and haven't felt inclined to watch it again. I agree with the dude about the movie's bad pacing where it just feels like a rush from one place to another and nothing really sticks because of it. 'Cinematic whiplash' was the strongest impression I got from watching it. --- Posted from my iPhone 13 <cite>Pitlord_Special posted [p:969577799] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I watched it once in the theater when it came out and haven't felt inclined to watch it again. I agree with the dude about the movie's bad pacing where it just feels like a rush from one place to another and nothing really sticks because of it. 'Cinematic whiplash' was the strongest impression I got from watching it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwayM 11/20/22 9:18:51 PM #63:	MrMallard posted... Rise of Skywalker is basically two movies crammed into a single movie. It has to undo The Last Jedi in a bunch of ways, I couldnt disagree more with this sentiment more that ROS had to undo TLJ. Clearly it wasnt a smart move, as they made one of the biggest pieces of dog shit ever conceived. Many of its problems are the fact they they could have actually taken the story somewhere, but JJ was so buttheart and has such a small ego he couldnt handle TLJ throwing out some of his moronic ideas. --- Like 90% of CE topics are the same way lol. CE is edgy/contrarian as f*** and will do anything to troll the TC/OP. -Touch <cite>SwayM posted [p:969577964] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>MrMallard posted... </cite><quote>Rise of Skywalker is basically two movies crammed into a single movie. It has to undo The Last Jedi in a bunch of ways,</quote>I couldnt disagree more with this sentiment more that ROS had to undo TLJ.Clearly it wasnt a smart move, as they made one of the biggest pieces of dog shit ever conceived. Many of its problems are the fact they they could have actually taken the story somewhere, but JJ was so buttheart and has such a small ego he couldnt handle TLJ throwing out some of his moronic ideas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/20/22 9:26:49 PM #64:	Pitlord_Special posted... I watched it once in the theater when it came out and haven't felt inclined to watch it again. Same. I even bought the blu-ray and haven't cracked it open. One day maybe. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:969578090] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Pitlord_Special posted... </cite><quote>I watched it once in the theater when it came out and haven't felt inclined to watch it again.</quote>Same. I even bought the blu-ray and haven't cracked it open. One day maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackJackCat 11/20/22 9:51:52 PM #65:	I too have not seen Rise of Skywalker, and I have little intent to fix that after TLJ. I didn't absolutely hate that I spent money to see TLJ, but it was bloated. It throws a whole bunch of stuff out there and sees what sticks, and then almost all of it gets undermined by its own conclusion. It gives me the same vibe as Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If you look at it on the most surface level, turn off your brain, it's not a horrible clusterfuck, and it can be okay. But it wouldn't be the first thing I'd watch if I had literally anything else better to do. Given the controversies of the Disney handling of the franchise and the fans being incredibly fucking vitriolic, I just felt TLJ was a good place to step off the train. The toxic elements of the fandom and how they trolled the fuck out of Kelly Marie Tran also left a horrible taste in my mouth and the number of casual fanboys going to lengths to ignore it just made me say "lmao fuck this fandom" at the time. I still kind of feel it is gross, but at least I'm not as repulsed as I was a few years ago. Edit: Actually, I just remembered, it was this fucking fandom is where I heard the term "cultural Marxism" for the first time. Fuck all of yall. --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:969578557] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I too have not seen Rise of Skywalker, and I have little intent to fix that after TLJ.I didn't absolutely hate that I spent money to see TLJ, but it was bloated. It throws a whole bunch of stuff out there and sees what sticks, and then almost all of it gets undermined by its own conclusion.It gives me the same vibe as Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If you look at it on the most surface level, turn off your brain, it's not a horrible clusterfuck, and it can be okay. But it wouldn't be the first thing I'd watch if I had literally anything else better to do.Given the controversies of the Disney handling of the franchise and the fans being incredibly fucking vitriolic, I just felt TLJ was a good place to step off the train. The toxic elements of the fandom and how they trolled the fuck out of Kelly Marie Tran also left a horrible taste in my mouth and the number of casual fanboys going to lengths to ignore it just made me say "lmao fuck this fandom" at the time. I still kind of feel it is gross, but at least I'm not as repulsed as I was a few years ago.Edit: Actually, I just remembered, it was this fucking fandom is where I heard the term "cultural Marxism" for the first time.Fuck all of yall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 11/20/22 11:09:08 PM #66:	Shadow_Don posted... This is a weird one. Like its objectively worse than TLJ but TLJ is the main reason why RoS is bad. NightRender posted... TLJ could be a very good middle act of a completely different trilogy. There is no version of any trilogy that RoS would be a good finale to. This. I can appreciate TLJ, on its own its actually a solid movie. RoS is just plain bad with no redeeming qualities. --- XBL: Mrpicardbottoms PSN: Bosh369 <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:969580016] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>This is a weird one. Like its objectively worse than TLJ but TLJ is the main reason why RoS is bad.</quote>NightRender posted... </cite><quote>TLJ could be a very good middle act of a completely different trilogy.There is no version of any trilogy that RoS would be a good finale to.</quote>This.I can appreciate TLJ, on its own its actually a solid movie. RoS is just plain bad with no redeeming qualities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornyLevel 11/20/22 11:21:57 PM #67:	Honestly, I wanted to see Colin Trevorrow's version. It was supposed to end on Coruscant in like a big battle. Seemed way more interesting from what we got, and it would have given us 3 different visions from 3 different directors. --- Nani?!? <cite>HornyLevel posted [p:969580260] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I wanted to see Colin Trevorrow's version. It was supposed to end on Coruscant in like a big battle. Seemed way more interesting from what we got, and it would have given us 3 different visions from 3 different directors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kami_no_Kami 11/20/22 11:25:12 PM #68:	Somehow worse than TLJ. <cite>Kami_no_Kami posted [p:969580336] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Somehow worse than TLJ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozarhok 11/20/22 11:36:18 PM #69:	It's this bad holds out arms --- oops <cite>Ozarhok posted [p:969580542] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It's this badholds out arms</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 11/21/22 2:41:58 AM #70:	It might be one of the worst films Ive ever seen. Its genuinely awful. <cite>Glob posted [p:969582825] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It might be one of the worst films Ive ever seen. Its genuinely awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nacen 11/21/22 2:43:19 AM #71:	It's a rushed, desperate clusterfuck that should have been split into 2 films. --- Nothing worthwhile https://www.last.fm/user/rotten_light <cite>Nacen posted [p:969582838] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It's a rushed, desperate clusterfuck that should have been split into 2 films. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sp00k 11/21/22 3:04:50 AM #72:	I wore out the VHS versions I had of the OT. I've watched the prequels more times than I can count on rewatches along with multiple times in theatre. I've watched TFA/TLJ probably 8-10 times along with at least two theatre trips for each. I've seen Rise of Skywalker once. It's an abomination and an insulting end to the Skywalker saga. --- If you torture a stat badly enough it will tell you anything. -John Hollinger @ 2011 Sloan Conference <cite>Sp00k posted [p:969583007] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I wore out the VHS versions I had of the OT.I've watched the prequels more times than I can count on rewatches along with multiple times in theatre.I've watched TFA/TLJ probably 8-10 times along with at least two theatre trips for each.I've seen Rise of Skywalker once. It's an abomination and an insulting end to the Skywalker saga.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold 11/21/22 3:08:19 AM #73:	Unknown480 posted... It's way better than Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that's for sure Shut the fuck up --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg <cite>Kaldrenthebold posted [p:969583037] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Unknown480 posted... </cite><quote>It's way better than Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi that's for sure</quote>Shut the fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 11/21/22 3:08:42 AM #74:	I liked the movie --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:969583041] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I liked the movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 11/21/22 3:26:20 AM #75:	JuanCarlos1 posted... Somehow Palpatine returned. Some may not like TLJ over story details, but it was an ok movie on its own. ROS was an apology for TLJ in the worst possible way imaginable. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:969583164] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted... </cite><quote>Somehow Palpatine returned.Some may not like TLJ over story details, but it was an ok movie on its own. ROS was an apology for TLJ in the worst possible way imaginable.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TendoDRM 11/21/22 3:40:11 AM #76:	Glob posted... It might be one of the worst films Ive ever seen. Its genuinely awful. --- Cel Damage! Tonight at 8:00! <cite>TendoDRM posted [p:969583270] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>It might be one of the worst films Ive ever seen. Its genuinely awful.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 11/21/22 3:47:09 AM #77:	MaxEffingBemis posted... THEY FLY NoW?? I know people focus on this one, but in theory it could be explained away. But there was so much other stuff that I struggle to even want to defend it. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:969583317] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>MaxEffingBemis posted... </cite><quote>THEY FLY NoW??</quote>I know people focus on this one, but in theory it could be explained away.But there was so much other stuff that I struggle to even want to defend it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BurmesePenguin 11/21/22 4:29:18 AM #78:	Sphyx posted... I know people focus on this one, but in theory it could be explained away. But there was so much other stuff that I struggle to even want to defend it. I mean the problem with the line isnt the lore implications, its that the film makers thought it was hilarious enough to stiltedly repeat three times in four seconds. <cite>BurmesePenguin posted [p:969583638] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Sphyx posted... </cite><quote>I know people focus on this one, but in theory it could be explained away.But there was so much other stuff that I struggle to even want to defend it.</quote>I mean the problem with the line isnt the lore implications, its that the film makers thought it was hilarious enough to stiltedly repeat three times in four seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 11/21/22 4:41:49 AM #79:	BurmesePenguin posted... I mean the problem with the line isnt the lore implications, its that the film makers thought it was hilarious enough to stiltedly repeat three times in four seconds. It's not even a joke. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:969583705] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>BurmesePenguin posted... </cite><quote>I mean the problem with the line isnt the lore implications, its that the film makers thought it was hilarious enough to stiltedly repeat three times in four seconds.</quote>It's not even a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 11/21/22 4:48:55 AM #80:	Somehow... this movie was green-lit. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:969583745] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Somehow... this movie was green-lit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
baiken2 11/21/22 4:49:46 AM #81:	TLJ sucked, but at least it had ideas. RoS is irredeemable in every way. <cite>baiken2 posted [p:969583755] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>TLJ sucked, but at least it had ideas.RoS is irredeemable in every way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Northlane 11/21/22 4:59:50 AM #82:	There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualities Somehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life. <cite>Northlane posted [p:969583813] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualitiesSomehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere_Man 11/21/22 6:09:14 AM #83:	Northlane posted... There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualities Somehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPU3QxNduw If they had found one eyed space Willy's treasure it would have been better. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere_Man posted [p:969584348] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Northlane posted... </cite><quote>There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualitiesSomehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPU3QxNduw If they had found one eyed space Willy's treasure it would have been better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/21/22 6:12:09 AM #84:	https://youtu.be/GErIPKjwuDg <cite>Zikten posted [p:969584387] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/GErIPKjwuDg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ApherosyLove 11/21/22 6:28:50 AM #85:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/5/AAZuMeAAD6BB.jpg --- *I, Apherosy, Goddess of Love.* https://i.imgur.com/erQyTk5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/73ExkyN.jpeg <cite>ApherosyLove posted [p:969584557] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/5/AAZuMeAAD6BB.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 11/21/22 6:42:01 AM #86:	The narrative that there was "no way" to followup The Last Jedi is just silly to me. It ended almost exactly like ESB did, except if Vader went through with killing Palpatine and decided to take over the Empire. The Colin Trevorrow script shows that, at very least, there could have been a much better followup than we got with Rise of Skywalker. The Rise of Skywalker's problems weren't that it didn't know how to followup on The Last Jedi. It's that the movie is poorly written just from its own internal logic. The constant passive-aggressive retcons aren't even the problem, so much as how the movie doesn't even bother trying to make things make sense. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:969584667] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>The narrative that there was "no way" to followup The Last Jedi is just silly to me. It ended almost exactly like ESB did, except if Vader went through with killing Palpatine and decided to take over the Empire. The Colin Trevorrow script shows that, at very least, there could have been a much better followup than we got with Rise of Skywalker.The Rise of Skywalker's problems weren't that it didn't know how to followup on The Last Jedi. It's that the movie is poorly written just from its own internal logic. The constant passive-aggressive retcons aren't even the problem, so much as how the movie doesn't even bother trying to make things make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 11/21/22 11:21:22 AM #87:	I laughed out loud in the theater when I read 'THE DEAD SPEAK!' in the title crawl. The only enjoyment I got out of the movie was the very first line of written dialogue. There was a span of almost two years during the pandemic where I was genuinely worried / depressed that the last movie I was ever going to see in a theater was The Rise of Skywalker. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read https://imgur.com/1WshTZu - by DB_Insider https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:969588783] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I laughed out loud in the theater when I read 'THE DEAD SPEAK!' in the title crawl. The only enjoyment I got out of the movie was the very first line of written dialogue.There was a span of almost two years during the pandemic where I was genuinely worried / depressed that the last movie I was ever going to see in a theater was The Rise of Skywalker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vampire_Chicken 11/21/22 12:14:39 PM #88:	It's the sort of film that often has you tutting and rolling your eyes so hard you start to worry they'll never return to normal position, and leaves you sitting there saying to yourself, "Is that it?!" when the end credits roll. There's a race against time to prevent a doomsday weapon from being unleashed, the plucky underdogs make a heroic attack against a vast armada or a fortified base, and it's vital to knock out one particular ship or installation for the attack to have any hope of success. You get the feeling that you've seen something vaguely like this before ... so many times. <cite>Vampire_Chicken posted [p:969589918] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It's the sort of film that often has you tutting and rolling your eyes so hard you start to worry they'll never return to normal position, and leaves you sitting there saying to yourself, "Is that it?!" when the end credits roll.There's a race against time to prevent a doomsday weapon from being unleashed, the plucky underdogs make a heroic attack against a vast armada or a fortified base, and it's vital to knock out one particular ship or installation for the attack to have any hope of success. You get the feeling that you've seen something vaguely like this before ... so many times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/21/22 12:30:08 PM #90:	It did the best it could after TLJ ruined everything. Killing the universe post OG trilogy and beyond. While creating nothing itself to build off of. Reys plot was poorly handled in both films, and the butchering of the skywalkers even more so. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:969590296] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It did the best it could after TLJ ruined everything. Killing the universe post OG trilogy and beyond. While creating nothing itself to build off of.Reys plot was poorly handled in both films, and the butchering of the skywalkers even more so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kuuko 11/21/22 12:32:50 PM #91:	Northlane posted... There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualities Somehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins It's important to mention that each of the 1000 star destroyers also have death stars inside of them. masterpug53 posted... I laughed out loud in the theater when I read 'THE DEAD SPEAK!' in the title crawl. The only enjoyment I got out of the movie was the very first line of written dialogue. I groaned out loud in the theater at this exact moment and was ready to turn my brain off for the rest. We knew as fans that Palpatine would be coming back because it was in the trailers for the movie. But I was in shock and awe that his big return to the galaxy would literally be off-screen before the movie started. --- http://i.imgur.com/dzGMd.png <cite>Kuuko posted [p:969590345] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Northlane posted... </cite><quote>There's movies you can turn your brain off and enjoy... and then there's RoS which I'm certain you'd have to lack higher brain function altogether to be able to find any redeeming qualitiesSomehow Palpatine returned and he's got 1000 fully manned star destroyers buried in the ground on some planet that the Google maps directions too can only be acquired when the death star explodes in a such way that a chunk of its ruins lands in a very specific manner that vaguely looks like this outline on a dagger when you hold it at just the right angle and distance away from aforementioned death star ruins</quote>It's important to mention that each of the 1000 star destroyers also have death stars inside of them.masterpug53 posted... </cite><quote>I laughed out loud in the theater when I read 'THE DEAD SPEAK!' in the title crawl. The only enjoyment I got out of the movie was the very first line of written dialogue.</quote>I groaned out loud in the theater at this exact moment and was ready to turn my brain off for the rest. We knew as fans that Palpatine would be coming back because it was in the trailers for the movie. But I was in shock and awe that his big return to the galaxy would literally be off-screen before the movie started.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 11/21/22 12:47:35 PM #92:	Prismsblade posted... It did the best it could after TLJ ruined everything I was originally going to go with a more boring response of "in no way could TRoS be described as 'doing its best,'" but then I had a funnier thought of someone else who was only "doing their best;" TRoS is therefore the cinematic equivalent of Gunner's Mate 1st Class Phillip Asshole: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/9/AARIckAAD6Er.jpg --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read https://imgur.com/1WshTZu - by DB_Insider https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:969590608] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>It did the best it could after TLJ ruined everything</quote>I was originally going to go with a more boring response of "in no way could TRoS be described as 'doing its best,'" but then I had a funnier thought of someone else who was only "doing their best;" TRoS is therefore the cinematic equivalent of Gunner's Mate 1st Class Phillip Asshole:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/9/AARIckAAD6Er.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 11/21/22 12:52:34 PM #93:	It's a coin flip between this and Phantom Menace as being the worst Star Wars. Though at least Phantom Menace didn't have a cross promo with a random unrelated video game that had plot details in it. Kuuko posted... I groaned out loud in the theater at this exact moment and was ready to turn my brain off for the rest. We knew as fans that Palpatine would be coming back because it was in the trailers for the movie. But I was in shock and awe that his big return to the galaxy would literally be off-screen before the movie started. That's what you get for not playing Fortnite, bro, his return happened in Fortnite. --- I don't need to see a movie to know how well the characters are handled- Danyarmy The PS5 has liquid metal tech like the T-1000 Terminator- AceCombatX <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:969590719] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>It's a coin flip between this and Phantom Menace as being the worst Star Wars. Though at least Phantom Menace didn't have a cross promo with a random unrelated video game that had plot details in it.Kuuko posted... </cite><quote>I groaned out loud in the theater at this exact moment and was ready to turn my brain off for the rest. We knew as fans that Palpatine would be coming back because it was in the trailers for the movie. But I was in shock and awe that his big return to the galaxy would literally be off-screen before the movie started.</quote>That's what you get for not playing Fortnite, bro, his return happened in Fortnite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 11/21/22 2:37:57 PM #94:	masterpug53 posted... I was originally going to go with a more boring response of "in no way could TRoS be described as 'doing its best,'" but then I had a funnier thought of someone else who was only "doing their best;" TRoS is therefore the cinematic equivalent of Gunner's Mate 1st Class Phillip Asshole: I generally do think they tried. They just gad to dedicate much of the runtime to damage control in regards to Luke's character assassination, introducing a new big bad, redeeming Ben, attempting to fix Reys backstory, nastalgia pandering and concludeding everyone's character arcs. It's a daunting task I don't think anyone could have accomplished. dancing_cactuar posted... It's a coin flip between this and Phantom Menace as being the worst Star Wars. PM had the best saber duels in the fanchise, and duel of the fates track. on top of which like with all 3 movies it at least had a good story on paper. Making them fun movies to review and watch analysis on. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:969593045] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite><quote>I was originally going to go with a more boring response of "in no way could TRoS be described as 'doing its best,'" but then I had a funnier thought of someone else who was only "doing their best;" TRoS is therefore the cinematic equivalent of Gunner's Mate 1st Class Phillip Asshole:</quote>I generally do think they tried. They just gad to dedicate much of the runtime to damage control in regards to Luke's character assassination, introducing a new big bad, redeeming Ben, attempting to fix Reys backstory, nastalgia pandering and concludeding everyone's character arcs.It's a daunting task I don't think anyone could have accomplished.dancing_cactuar posted... </cite><quote>It's a coin flip between this and Phantom Menace as being the worst Star Wars.</quote>PM had the best saber duels in the fanchise, and duel of the fates track. on top of which like with all 3 movies it at least had a good story on paper. Making them fun movies to review and watch analysis on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 11/21/22 2:41:22 PM #95:	Prismsblade posted... PM had the best saber duels in the fanchise, and duel of the fates track. on top of which like with all 3 movies it at least had a good story on paper. Extremely hard disagree on the first and last point, and the John Williams score is literally the only good thing about Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace is the equivalent of shitty anime filler. --- I don't need to see a movie to know how well the characters are handled- Danyarmy The PS5 has liquid metal tech like the T-1000 Terminator- AceCombatX <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:969593115] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>PM had the best saber duels in the fanchise, and duel of the fates track. on top of which like with all 3 movies it at least had a good story on paper.</quote>Extremely hard disagree on the first and last point, and the John Williams score is literally the only good thing about Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace is the equivalent of shitty anime filler.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BurmesePenguin 11/21/22 2:42:52 PM #96:	Duel of the Fates is a great musical track but the battle encounter is overproduced garbo. Best fight in the franchise is easily Luke v Vader in Return. Just pure emotion and storytelling in each swing. None of this coreographed ballet shit. <cite>BurmesePenguin posted [p:969593148] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Duel of the Fates is a great musical track but the battle encounter is overproduced garbo.Best fight in the franchise is easily Luke v Vader in Return. Just pure emotion and storytelling in each swing. None of this coreographed ballet shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwayM 11/21/22 2:46:43 PM #97:	TLJ haters may be one of the most dramatic and whiny groups of people on the planet tbh --- Like 90% of CE topics are the same way lol. CE is edgy/contrarian as f*** and will do anything to troll the TC/OP. -Touch <cite>SwayM posted [p:969593219] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>TLJ haters may be one of the most dramatic and whiny groups of people on the planet tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 11/21/22 2:49:21 PM #98:	BurmesePenguin posted... Duel of the Fates is a great musical track but the battle encounter is overproduced garbo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw --- I don't need to see a movie to know how well the characters are handled- Danyarmy The PS5 has liquid metal tech like the T-1000 Terminator- AceCombatX <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:969593259] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>BurmesePenguin posted... </cite><quote>Duel of the Fates is a great musical track but the battle encounter is overproduced garbo.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 11/21/22 2:56:44 PM #99:	Prismsblade posted... I generally do think they tried. They just gad to dedicate much of the runtime to damage control in regards to Luke's character assassination, introducing a new big bad, redeeming Ben, attempting to fix Reys backstory, nastalgia pandering and concludeding everyone's character arcs. It's a daunting task I don't think anyone could have accomplished. But...they didn't introduce a new big bad, they just recycled the old one. And the necessity to fix Luke's 'character assassination' and Rey's backstory is highly debatable; they could have continued in this new direction that TLJ set up (which would have required risk and effort, but would at worst made for at least a more memorable movie), but instead pulled a 180 with all the level-headedness of a jittery squirrel that decides to run most of the way back across the road when it sees a car coming. To me that's not the definition of 'trying,' that's the cinematic equivalent of hitting the snooze button until 2pm. dancing_cactuar posted... Extremely hard disagree on the first and last point, and the John Williams score is literally the only good thing about Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace is the equivalent of shitty anime filler. TPM is one of the few instances where I'll freely admit that childhood nostalgia is the one and only thing propping it up, and in this case just barely; some of that stuff looked really cool in 1999, and I have fond memories of it looking really cool in 1999. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read https://imgur.com/1WshTZu - by DB_Insider https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:969593426] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>I generally do think they tried. They just gad to dedicate much of the runtime to damage control in regards to Luke's character assassination, introducing a new big bad, redeeming Ben, attempting to fix Reys backstory, nastalgia pandering and concludeding everyone's character arcs.It's a daunting task I don't think anyone could have accomplished.</quote>But...they didn't introduce a new big bad, they just recycled the old one. And the necessity to fix Luke's 'character assassination' and Rey's backstory is highly debatable; they could have continued in this new direction that TLJ set up (which would have required risk and effort, but would at worst made for at least a more memorable movie), but instead pulled a 180 with all the level-headedness of a jittery squirrel that decides to run most of the way back across the road when it sees a car coming. To me that's not the definition of 'trying,' that's the cinematic equivalent of hitting the snooze button until 2pm.dancing_cactuar posted... </cite><quote>Extremely hard disagree on the first and last point, and the John Williams score is literally the only good thing about Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace is the equivalent of shitty anime filler.</quote>TPM is one of the few instances where I'll freely admit that childhood nostalgia is the one and only thing propping it up, and in this case just barely; some of that stuff looked really cool in 1999, and I have fond memories of it looking really cool in 1999.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Northlane 11/21/22 6:33:22 PM #100:	I had forgotten about the fortnite return too --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life. <cite>Northlane posted [p:969598421] in Just how b... [t:80241797]...</cite> <quote>I had forgotten about the fortnite return too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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