Current Events > A trans woman with a cis woman = lesbian relationship, yes?

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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 5:51:22 PM
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I'm arguing with a person who says otherwise. To me it's pretty straightforward. Two women = lesbianism.
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Robot2600
11/14/22 5:53:22 PM
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yes

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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 5:55:43 PM
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ElatedVenusaur
11/14/22 6:02:41 PM
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I mean...duh?
Certainly me and my girlfriend both see our relationship as fundamentally sapphic in nature.

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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 6:05:49 PM
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I think this is the crux of the argument of the person I mentioned in OP; the notion that a trans woman who hasn't undergone sex reassignment surgery (I apologize if this term is outdated) and therefore still has a penis, makes it de facto heterosexual sex and therefore not lesbianism.

My argument is that the word lesbian necessarily has undergone a shift in meaning since the word "woman" has as well. An XY person having sex with an XX person could be construed as heterosexual sex in a very strict biological sense, but that doesn't mean the relationship is heterosexual.
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DarkRoast
11/14/22 6:06:18 PM
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Yes, and I dated one briefly in college. Really more of a FWB thing.

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DrizztLink
11/14/22 6:08:05 PM
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Transwomen are women.

Full stop.

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Solar_Crimson
11/14/22 6:10:34 PM
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Why wouldn't it be?

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Foppe
11/14/22 6:11:22 PM
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Instead of arguing, why not just say that two persons are in a relationship?

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epik_fail1
11/14/22 6:11:26 PM
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I have seen a trans man saying he called his relationship "queer" because he started dating his girlfriend before transitioning and realising he trans and wasn't sure how to call it.

At the same time, I know gay men not to fond of the word queer because people used it as a slur before...

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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 6:11:39 PM
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Thanks guys! I'll be sure to show him the responses in this topic. Maybe he'll come around...
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runewalshPSiv
11/14/22 6:11:45 PM
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No

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Gwynevere
11/14/22 6:13:41 PM
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2 women makes it a lesbian relationship, correct. Trans women may or may not still have OEM equipment, and even if they do, lesbians still use phallic sex toys so I dont really see the difference

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ElatedVenusaur
11/14/22 6:15:21 PM
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TULPAMANCER posted...
I think this is the crux of the argument of the person I mentioned in OP; the notion that a trans woman who hasn't undergone sex reassignment surgery (I apologize if this term is outdated) and therefore still has a penis, makes it de facto heterosexual sex and therefore not lesbianism.

My argument is that the word lesbian necessarily has undergone a shift in meaning since the word "woman" has as well. An XY person having sex with an XX person could be construed as heterosexual sex in a very strict biological sense, but that doesn't mean the relationship is heterosexual.
It's a laughable argument driven by watching too much porn and you're also giving it too much credit.

What I'm saying is that the function, feel, and even taste of your genitals is fundamentally a product of your hormones. This is why the trans fem community has a number of different terms for their genitals: gock, gridlock (rearrange the letters some, I dare you), etc. Sexuality and sexual expression varies wildly from individual to individual, but many are the trans femmes lamenting the lack of trans feminine tops.

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Megaman50100
11/14/22 6:19:05 PM
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I'd probably consider it a lesbian relationship that includes hetero-sexual sex acts. The personal definitions I use in this situation would still call PiV sex heterosexual, this is only one aspect of the greater relationship which of course would consider other factors (such as identity) when viewed as a whole. To clarify, I do separate Sex, Sexuality, and Gender.

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Akagami_Shanks
11/14/22 6:21:09 PM
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ill never understand why people get so hung up on this stuff, its their busines and their business alone lol

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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 6:23:57 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
2 women makes it a lesbian relationship, correct. Trans women may or may not still have OEM equipment, and even if they do, lesbians still use phallic sex toys so I dont really see the difference

Hm, good point!
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trappedunderice
11/14/22 6:27:23 PM
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Philip027
11/14/22 6:29:27 PM
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That's up for the couple to decide.
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MrResetti
11/14/22 6:35:04 PM
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Is the cis woman gay?

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sevihaimerej
11/14/22 6:40:56 PM
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I don't know, depends on where you draw certain lines which is pretty subjective. I prefer to stay away from word hypnosis and separate the abstract from the concrete entirely whenever possible thus making any relationship have different levels just as each person does (body, mind, ) so there is no possibility of confusion.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/14/22 6:41:50 PM
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That depends on whether the cis woman finds a cock and balls to be a feminine feature, I suppose. I don't reckon most would.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/14/22 6:44:33 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
gridlock (rearrange the letters some, I dare you),
gorldick?

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sevihaimerej
11/14/22 6:48:09 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
gorldick?
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FaultyCircuitry
11/14/22 6:48:58 PM
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wHy dO wE aLwAyS nEeD LaBeLs fOr EvErYtHiNg

You're not some kind of elevated being because you don't want people to have labels that describe their identity.

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ChocoboMogALT
11/14/22 6:49:54 PM
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It's always the same users. Always...

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lordofmud
11/14/22 7:01:26 PM
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I can't write what I want to because the post would be scrubbed. Gamefaqs isn't the place for an actual discussion. Posts not favoring left leaning ideology are deleted.

On the other hand I'd love to talk about the new DLC from Solasta.

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FaultyCircuitry
11/14/22 7:03:29 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I can't write what I want to because the post would be scrubbed. Gamefaqs isn't the place for an actual discussion. Posts not favoring left leaning ideology are deleted.

On the other hand I'd love to talk about the new DLC from Solasta.

delete your account then

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DrizztLink
11/14/22 7:03:53 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I can't write what I want to because the post would be scrubbed
Coward.

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_____Cait
11/14/22 7:04:23 PM
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Whatever

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lordofmud
11/14/22 7:04:39 PM
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Or maybe topics like this should be deleted as the have no relavence and are offensive.

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FaultyCircuitry
11/14/22 7:07:08 PM
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lordofmud posted...
Or maybe topics like this should be deleted as the have no relavence and are offensive.

How do they lack relevance?

How are they offensive?

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spikethedevil
11/14/22 7:08:18 PM
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lordofmud posted...
Or maybe topics like this should be deleted as the have no relavence and are offensive.

How is it offensive?

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lordofmud
11/14/22 7:10:48 PM
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People find transsexuals offensive.

The OP created this post to incite people who perhaps don't agree with his opening statement to post so that they would then be censored or banned.

I say this because there is no way to disagree with the OP's original statement without having your post deleted.

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DrizztLink
11/14/22 7:11:30 PM
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Boo fucking hoo.

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epik_fail1
11/14/22 7:11:46 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I can't write what I want to because the post would be scrubbed. Gamefaqs isn't the place for an actual discussion. Posts not favoring left leaning ideology are deleted.

On the other hand I'd love to talk about the new DLC from Solasta.

If you think that's bad. Try criticizing Elon musk on Twitter.

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CyricZ
11/14/22 7:20:55 PM
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lordofmud posted...
The OP created this post to incite people who perhaps don't agree with his opening statement to post so that they would then be censored or banned.

I say this because there is no way to disagree with the OP's original statement without having your post deleted.
My heart fucking aches for you my dude.

How ever will you carry on?

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VampireCoyote
11/14/22 7:22:10 PM
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the term is transbians


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TULPAMANCER
11/14/22 7:22:40 PM
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lordofmud posted...
People find transsexuals offensive.

The OP created this post to incite people who perhaps don't agree with his opening statement to post so that they would then be censored or banned.

I say this because there is no way to disagree with the OP's original statement without having your post deleted.

Someone else already posted "No." Grow a set and say what you're gonna say.
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VampireCoyote
11/14/22 7:25:12 PM
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lordofmud posted...
People find transsexuals offensive.

people dont

bigots do


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FaultyCircuitry
11/14/22 8:02:50 PM
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lordofmud posted...
People find transsexuals offensive.

The OP created this post to incite people who perhaps don't agree with his opening statement to post so that they would then be censored or banned.

I say this because there is no way to disagree with the OP's original statement without having your post deleted.

How are trans people offensive?

If you can't answer this in a way that doesn't get you banned, perhaps you should just accept that your thoughts are inherently hateful.

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psvitantifail
11/14/22 8:12:08 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Transwomen are women.

Full stop.
https://youtu.be/7oday_Fc-Gc
runewalshPSiv posted...
No


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VampireCoyote
11/14/22 8:13:55 PM
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Denying that trans women are women is shameful hate speech

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DrizztLink
11/14/22 8:32:33 PM
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psvitantifail posted...
https://youtu.be/7oday_Fc-Gc
Say what you want to say or don't waste everyone's time with cowardice.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/14/22 9:01:48 PM
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lordofmud posted...
People find transsexuals offensive.

The OP created this post to incite people who perhaps don't agree with his opening statement to post so that they would then be censored or banned.

I say this because there is no way to disagree with the OP's original statement without having your post deleted.
It's not really that big a deal when you have big boy karma like you and I do, I said some shit about rape just the other day and I'm still here. Just don't go too far off the rails and you'll be good

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CyricZ
11/14/22 9:03:14 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
I said some shit about rape just the other day and I'm still here
One warning later.

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