Current Events > 10% of Florida adults cannot vote

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imo They are political prisoners. (In Florida) Anyone who has a felony conviction cannot vote and in Florida this is 10% of the adult population. If the Public Defenders Office got better funding imo that percentage would go down.

In Texas you cannot vote if you are in prison. Of course imo in Texas you cannot vote if you live in Harris County.

If theyve completed their sentence then they should be able to vote

Too true. The harder it is to vote, the more favorable the vote is to Republicans.

VOTE Republican ~1/ABLE-2-vote

10% of adults in florida are felons? >_> is that high compared to other states? It sounds high

Florida has 80,000 prison inmates and about 145k on probation, and a population of 21-22 million, where did you get 10% from?

CobraGT posted...

Too true. The harder it is to vote, the more favorable the vote is to Republicans.

VOTE Republican ~1/ABLE-2-vote

Where does this logic come from? CEmen are always saying not voting/ voting third party is basically just voting republican. Where did this come from?

KhlavicLanguage posted...

10% of adults in florida are felons? >_> is that high compared to other states? It sounds high

In Florida you cannot vote as a former felon.
@KhlavicLanguage

tons of videos on reddit of judges refusing to certify votes by signing them in houston and the surrounding areas they want houston and harris county bad

specialkid8 posted...

Where does this logic come from? CEmen are always saying not voting/ voting third party is basically just voting republican. Where did this come from?

Dem states have early voting

Allow registration on election day
Do not require id

De Santis, Abbott and Kemp do not represent the people and would be voted out if people could vote.

I hear about this ID stuff all the time but is it really that hard to get an ID or do a lot of people not have an ID?
Drivers licenses count right? I just figured everybody had one at least here in Florida.

And does asking for an ID really make it harder for people to vote?

Florida is a joke state

KhlavicLanguage posted...

10% of adults in florida are felons? >_> is that high compared to other states? It sounds high

PMarth2002 posted...

Florida has 80,000 prison inmates and about 145k on probation, and a population of 21-22 million, where did you get 10% from?

This from 2018 says about 10% of the adult population (~1.5 million) was barred from voting at the time, but the article is about them having just passed a ballot initiative to restore voting rights to some of them. So it should have improved since then, but I'm not sure where it stands now.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/665031366/over-a-million-florida-ex-felons-win-right-to-vote-with-amendment-4

Solution: Dont break the law.

Foppe posted...

Solution: Dont break the law.

Better Solution: Live in a Democracy.

Foppe posted...

Solution: Dont break the law.

Yeah...I agree with inmates, but definitely NOT once you're out.

Nah. If you've been convicted I personally could give a shit less. Maybe don't be a piece of shit and break the law. Why we treat convicts better than we treat vets or homeless is mind bending.

VampireCoyote posted...

If theyve completed their sentence then they should be able to vote

This. What's the point of continuing to punish someone after their sentence has been served?

Foppe posted...

Solution: Dont break the law.

Solution: Stop continuing to punish people after they've completed their sentence.

FaytlessHearts posted...

Nah. If you've been convicted I personally could give a shit less. Maybe don't be a piece of shit and break the law. Why we treat convicts better than we treat vets or homeless is mind bending.

we clearly don't

but hey its possible to care about more than one group of people at the same time

FaytlessHearts posted...

Nah. If you've been convicted I personally could give a shit less. Maybe don't be a piece of shit and break the law. Why we treat convicts better than we treat vets or homeless is mind bending.

Vets and homeless can vote, last I checked.

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Correct.

FaytlessHearts posted...

Nah. If you've been convicted I personally could give a shit less. Maybe don't be a piece of shit and break the law. Why we treat convicts better than we treat vets or homeless is mind bending.

Got a paper cut just from hitting quote. I can expect this opinion from a teen, but disappointing from a grown adult.

FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER posted...

I hear about this ID stuff all the time but is it really that hard to get an ID or do a lot of people not have an ID?
Drivers licenses count right? I just figured everybody had one at least here in Florida.

And does asking for an ID really make it harder for people to vote?

Not everybody has a driver's license. Some poor people in very urban areas with public transit don't have them. Same thing with extremely rural areas where people don't need to leave their small walkable towns. Shitholes like Alabama do things like pass voter ID laws, then close all the offices that issue those IDs in all the poor and black areas (despite having passed a bond issue the previous year to keep those offices open). Republicans have been caught multiple times openly admitting that voter ID laws are specifically about suppressing the votes of people who don't vote for them.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Not everybody has a driver's license. Some poor people in very urban areas with public transit don't have them. Same thing with extremely rural areas where people don't need to leave their small walkable towns. Shitholes like Alabama do things like pass voter ID laws, then close all the offices that issue those IDs in all the poor and black areas (despite having passed a bond issue the previous year to keep those offices open). Republicans have been caught multiple times openly admitting that voter ID laws are specifically about suppressing the votes of people who don't vote for them.

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PMarth2002 posted...

Florida has 80,000 prison inmates and about 145k on probation, and a population of 21-22 million, where did you get 10% from?

That data only covers people who are directly under government supervision, not felons that have finished parole/probation.

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bo_danvers posted...

https://media.tenor.com/n9ePn96DSKcAAAAM/breakinglaw-jim.gif

This is misguided. Either you are unaware of the connection between taking away the right to vote and having De Santis as governor or you are happy with the results.

If you love De Santis, no abortion, no right to have a union and no need to vaccinate the public come out and say so

Because taking the vote is the only thing making it possible to have De Santis as governor.

FaytlessHearts posted...

Nah. If you've been convicted I personally could give a shit less. Maybe don't be a piece of shit and break the law. Why we treat convicts better than we treat vets or homeless is mind bending.

Foppe posted...

Solution: Dont break the law.

sheesh some of you are such awful people its crazy

MICHALECOLE posted...

sheesh some of you are such awful people its crazy

I think it's more that they haven't really thought through the implications of what they're saying. Well, I want to believe that.

Guide posted...

I think it's more that they haven't really thought through the implications of what they're saying. Well, I want to believe that.

They just lack such empathy. They have no ability to put themselves in anybody elses shoes, ever.

Didn't Florida vote to allow felons to be able to vote and then the government was just like.... nah, we ain't doin that.

In Ohio felons can vote

MICHALECOLE posted...

They just lack such empathy. They have no ability to put themselves in anybody elses shoes, ever.

Possibly. I was in the same boat when I was younger, until someone highlighted prisoner issues that I hadn't considered. I try to hope that's the case.

I feel at least habitual felons shouldn't vote. They've proven a history of making poor decisions.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I feel at least habitual felons shouldn't vote. They've proven a history of making poor decisions.

Depends on what the habitual felony is.

Many people end up in a cycle of poverty and crime because the legal system only makes their lives worse.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Depends on what the habitual felony is.

Many people end up in a cycle of poverty and crime because the legal system only makes their lives worse.

I can agree to that. The crimes in question should matter

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I feel at least habitual felons shouldn't vote. They've proven a history of making poor decisions.

If you don't think they're capable of making reasonable decisions, why are you letting them back out into society in the first place? You don't get to have it both ways. Either they've served their punishment and are free to rejoin society and all that comes with it, or they haven't been punished enough and you keep them locked up. But you have to pick one. And remember, poor decision making isn't against the law. It's not illegal to be stupid. Clearly.

If a citizen is walking free, they should be allowed to vote. Period. What they did in the past is irrelevant. It's already been taken care of. That's why they're walking free.

Aristoph posted...

If you don't think they're capable of making reasonable decisions, why are you letting them back out into society in the first place? You don't get to have it both ways. Either they've served their punishment and are free to rejoin society and all that comes with it, or they haven't been punished enough and you keep them locked up. But you have to pick one. And remember, poor decision making isn't against the law. It's not illegal to be stupid. Clearly.

If a citizen is walking free, they should be allowed to vote. Period. What they did in the past is irrelevant. It's already been taken care of. That's why they're walking free.

I don't agree with that line of thinking. It doesn't have to be all or none. Like I believe someone who has done several horrible things while drunk should be banned from drinking. Doesn't need to rot in prison their whole life. A special mark on their ID that marks them as unable to purchase alcohol. It isn't foolproof but neither is having a legal drinking age.

Registered pedophiles already have limitations on where they can live so it's not like we don't already do such things.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I don't agree with that line of thinking. It doesn't have to be all or none. Like I believe someone who has done several horrible things while drunk should be banned from drinking. Doesn't need to rot in prison their whole life. A special mark on their ID that marks them as unable to purchase alcohol. It isn't foolproof but neither is having a legal drinking age.

Registered pedophiles already have limitations on where they can live so it's not like we don't already do such things.

Y'know what? I agree. If someone is convicted of election/voter fraud, they shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore. Or did you mean that someone who's convicted of voter fraud shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol anymore? Because I can't fathom a reason that someone who got drunk and ran a red light, hitting another car 30 years ago should somehow have voting restrictions placed on them for the rest of their life.

And for what it's worth, with the pedophile thing, those limitations expire the moment the offender is off the registry. So if their offense was deemed to only be severe enough to require registration for 10 years, then they can live wherever the hell they want once those 10 years are up. So yeah...literally exactly the same as non-pedophile offenses are treated. Once they've served the chosen punishment, they are free to rejoin society and all that comes with it.

Foppe posted...

Solution: Dont break the law.

Talking common sense doesn't go down very well here.

people really think wrong convictions aren't happening?

DrizztLink posted...

That data only covers people who are directly under government supervision, not felons that have finished parole/probation.

yeah that occurred to me awhile after posting

The question is, are laws too strict that the punishment is a felony?

Ohnoes.

So easy to run afoul of the law.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2017/05/15/without-id-homeless-trapped-in-vicious-cycle

btw PEW is a highly respected source.

SamBankMan posted...

Ohnoes.

User is not currently an active member.

Oh no indeed.

ColdOne666 posted...

Talking common sense doesn't go down very well here.

The answer to unfair punishment isnt dont break the law. If jaywalking was punished by slow torture until death, and your sister was caught, you wouldnt say that sucks, but she should have found a crosswalk.

mustachedmystic posted...

The answer to unfair punishment isnt dont break the law. If jaywalking was punished by slow torture until death, and your sister was caught, you wouldnt say that sucks, but she should have found a crosswalk.

How many people in the West are getting slowly tortured to death as a punitive death sentence in jail? I'll wait.

ColdOne666 posted...

How many people in the West are getting slowly tortured to death as a punitive death sentence in jail? I'll wait.

I swear, this site. . . Permanently taway someones right to vote is a cruel and unusual punishment.

Show it with your votes.