Current Events > Do Republicans make any good points, in your mind?

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I'm voting for Democrats, yet I want to keep my mind open. Not to "both sides", only to my own blindspots and potentially being misinformed . They seemed fine before Facebook. Last 10 years... not so much

The only points republicans make are not ones they intended

They've successfully proven that if you stack the courts with judges, weaponise politics into a sports team tribe mentality and gerrymander the states you will win ground to the betterment of no one.

What is it the right likes to say when democrats are willing to take onboard criticism and hold itself accountable? "The left eating itself yet again".

Honestly even if one of them were not like the rest I still wouldnt vote for them because electing any Republican means giving the rest of them more power than they had before.

Inflation is a very real concern. Whether they'll do a better job at managing is a different story.

Probably if any non-extremists existed, but theyre so mired in bullshit that I wouldnt even know where to start to look.

the only traditional republican viewpoint i've ever agreed with is that the death penalty should not be abolished.

The whole having guns to stand up against a tyrannical government thing, unfortunately they're the ones trying to become a tyrannical government and most of the people with guns will fight to support it.

The one single point that I sort of agree with Republicans on is that citizens should be allowed to own guns and that guns shouldn't be banned... to an extent. I think there should be longer waiting periods, more thorough background checks including a psychological evaluation being required before purchase, and stricter restrictions on the sale/transfer of guns outside of official sellers to make it harder to get a hold of a gun that isn't registered in their name. If you're a safe, responsible, mentally stable, law-abiding citizen and can prove it, then you should be able to legally own a gun. But people with criminal histories or psychological issues that may lead to violence should not, and it should be much more difficult if not impossible for them to get their hands on one.

TL;DR: I agree with Republicans that we don't need a blanket ban on guns and that citizens should be able to own guns, but I also agree with Democrats that we still need some form of gun control to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous and unstable individuals.

Any good points the GOP had used to be better expressed by the libertarian party (individual freedom, lower taxes, gun rights, etc...). But the LP got taken over by crazies and now are even becoming a party of MAGA nutcases that were cast off from the GOP.

Were_Wyrm posted...

The whole having guns to stand up against a tyrannical government

that'a not a good point lol

there is absolutely nothing any wannabe guerilla soldier painting their face and hiding in trees with guns would be able to do against modern military forces and military tech, should any potential tyrannical government who controls said military actually crops up and decides to start something

DoesntMatter posted...

that'a not a good point lol

there is absolutely nothing any wannabe guerilla soldier painting their face and hiding in trees with guns would be able to do against modern military forces and military tech, should any potential tyrannical government who controls said military actually crops up and decides to start something

Laughs in Viet Cong and Taliban

Were_Wyrm posted...

Laughs in Viet Cong and Taliban

the Viet Cong was 80 years ago. i said "modern military forces". and the whole thing in the middle east was a shitshow. it wasn't the US's goal to actually win over there. the goal was to prolong the occupation as much as possible in order to fund the military-industrial complex.

I'm not sure Republicans make any good points in their mind.

DoesntMatter posted...

the Viet Cong was 80 years ago. i said "modern military forces". and the whole thing in the middle east was a shitshow. it wasn't the US's goal to actually win over there. the goal was to prolong the occupation as much as possible in order to fund the military-industrial complex.

80 years ago was World War 2.

DarthAragorn posted...

80 years ago was World War 2.

your point?

You sometimes see Republicans accidentally have a moment of clarity.

Candace Owens was complaining that cancer treatments cost so much money while the Covid vaccine is free. Then she immediately shut up, like the healthcare lobby immediately got on the phone and said that's not the connection they want her gullible followers to make.

They will never have good policies because the big companies and lobbies have 100% control over them.

There are certain conservative values I agree with. That's not to say they're never twisted, but some baseline values I do agree with.

For example, self-reliance. (Yes, yes, I know politicians abuse this as a means of abusing the people. Don't jump down my throat. I'm talking about the underscore and not the execution.) I also agree with the religious dogma that good deeds are ones you do in secret. If you make a point to to say, "I donated $1 million to a good cause," you didn't donate to a good cause - you donated to your PR fund. And, yes, I know many conservatives have tooted their own horn about what allowances they've made for others.

The second amendment I agree with. That comes with the caveat that nobody really needs an automatic or semi-automatic. A basic pistol or rifle is all a person needs for self-defense. You'll never be a civilian needing to repel a small army and excessive gun allowances just make mass murder easier.

The disappointment over the Green M&M becoming less sexy I agree with. Okay, okay. I never had eyes for the Green M&M per se. But I hate how the left has found itself on the "sex is bad" side of what's acceptable in the media.

The death penalty I agree with in theory. In practice, the justice system penalizes Black convicts far worse than White convicts. If we're going to see Black murderers executed and White murderers locked in cells, we might as well abolish the death penalty and force equal sentences. A racist judge can sentence someone to more years, but they can't expand someone's lifespan to force them to live out the full penalty.

They make a compelling point that it is not a good idea to have open borders

They make a very good point for why our education system has failed us

Most decent points the republican party had at one point have been cast aside and absorbed into the moderate left.

B18Champ posted...

They make a compelling point that it is not a good idea to have open borders

This would be a valid response if literally anyone thought there should be open borders

They do make one really great point.

That no one with a functioning brain should ever vote for or give them any support.

DoesntMatter posted...

that'a not a good point lol

there is absolutely nothing any wannabe guerilla soldier painting their face and hiding in trees with guns would be able to do against modern military forces and military tech, should any potential tyrannical government who controls said military actually crops up and decides to start something

Thousands of people rioting in the streets without guns gets a response, but no if they are armed the US military would just carpet bomb them, right?

That's not even how the US military stabilizes foreign populations that get out of hand but somehow people think that's how it's gonna go down if shit really gets bad. Like the division line is gonna be straight up "the progressive democratic government vs maga trolls in the forest with AR-15s" when 75% of our military is conservative.

B18Champ posted...

They make a compelling point that it is not a good idea to have open borders

Do Democrats favor open boarders? News to me.

DarthAragorn posted...

This would be a valid response if literally anyone thought there should be open borders

I think there should be open borders... But I am a globalist <_<

Anyway I kind of agree with their view on responsibility, but then again I also sympathize with social explanations for why people might have a hard time.

Occasionally theyll find something to rightfully complain about but they never do anything about it.

Fuck no, not even one.

They have good points about certain fundamental issues but their proposed solutions to those problems are anathema.

Squall28 posted...

Inflation is a very real concern. Whether they'll do a better job at managing is a different story.

Inflation is killing the entire planet what in your mind could evil republicans do to change that?

Any Republican who says they can't name a single good point from the Democrats, and any Democrat who says they can't name a single good point from the Republicans,

are brainwashed into cultlike beliefs, plain and simple.

I think Trump was right when he said that we shouldn't be involved in foreign wars/policing

DarthAragorn posted...

This would be a valid response if literally anyone thought there should be open borders

I think there should be open borders, and that GOP and Democratic arguments against them are shoddy.

The only one is the acknowledgement of cancel culture as a problem. Some democrats deny that cancel culture even exists. I don't like the increase in censorship and mass outrage, virtue signaling, etc. Also the acknowledgement of identity politics as a divisive problem. But for the most part, not many in their actual policies and a lot of their regressive social views.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Inflation is killing the entire planet what in your mind could evil republicans do to change that?

Read my second sentence.

I like all the posts about censorship when Republicans have banned more books in 2022 than any year ever.

Turtlemayor333 posted...

I like all the posts about censorship when Republicans have banned more books in 2022 than any year ever.

well besides 1940's ehh

There is less censorship now than at any point in American history.

Squall28 posted...

Inflation is a very real concern. Whether they'll do a better job at managing is a different story.

Inflation is happening worldwide and corporate profits are setting records.

Maybe at one point, but as of now, their only policies involve cruelty towards marginalized groups, voter suppression, and removing any sort of accountability for anybody in their team.

Fuck 'em.

There hasn't been much, since Reagan's various axioms.

Antifar posted...

There is less censorship now than at any point in American history.

No there isn't

Some

Turtlemayor333 posted...

I like all the posts about censorship when Republicans have banned more books in 2022 than any year ever.

true. To be fair both sides are pretty bad about this. I wouldnt say any is better or worse but I dont like it from either side. As far as cancel culture goes you can probably say the right is hypocritical while the left in denial/not self-aware

Antifar posted...

There is less censorship now than at any point in American history.

I dont know if thats true but it used to be something mocked by the left (soccer moms, etc) and then something flipped and the left became the soccer moms

HHH_is_the_game posted...

true. To be fair both sides are pretty bad about this. I wouldnt say any is better or worse but I dont like it from either side. As far as cancel culture goes you can probably say the right is hypocritical while the left in denial/not self-aware

The right is trying to use the power of the State to censor. Yes, one is worse than the other