Current Events > Man kills publicly Swastika-wearing Nazi. You're on the jury.

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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:13:37 PM
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What do you do? Imagine the rest of the jury is willing to follow your lead


A Nazi was walking around town, wearing a Swastika on their arm as Nazis do. They were preaching about Hitler and how the Aryan race is superior, blah blah blah.

In front of God and everybody(including on, off, and plainsclothes police officers) and on video, a man walks up, behind them and busts a cap in their ass, relieving the Nazi of their life instantly. The man then exclaims "You get what you fucking deserve" and discards their weapon to the side as officers intervene to arrest him.

The evidence is overwhelming. The man however refutes the claim that he killed a person or did anything wrong, and that Nazis are not human and the rule of law should not protect them and any decent society would do the same and relieve them of their existence much the same way.

Do you vote to convict the man of first degree murder? Or do you nullify the jury and refuse to convict even in the face of incontrovertible evidence and dozens of witness testimonies and video evidence of said man killing said Nazi?

The rest of the jury will follow your lead and vote accordingly. What do you do?

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Solar_Crimson
10/22/22 12:14:45 PM
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The Nazi is reprehensible scum, but murder is murder.

Also, this incident would just further galvanize far-right fascists, so killing him makes things worse for us all.

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Aridi
10/22/22 12:15:40 PM
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I convict Dexter.

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Tyranthraxus
10/22/22 12:15:59 PM
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I need more evidence besides "he just killed a dude" tbh. Something like that seems like would be the result of mental issues which would impact my verdict.

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AloneIBreak
10/22/22 12:17:01 PM
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I mean it's obviously murder, regardless of whether the victim is scum. Of course I'd convict.

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Chicken
10/22/22 12:17:11 PM
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Punch the nazi and post it to youtube for everyone to laugh at him. No need to murder.

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Sexypwnstar
10/22/22 12:17:34 PM
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wackyteen posted...
In front of God

How is this relevant

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EmbraceOfDeath
10/22/22 12:19:20 PM
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You'd have to be as much of a psycho as the dude himself to acquit, especially knowing you're putting someone willing to perform public executions right back on the street.

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-Unowninator-
10/22/22 12:19:24 PM
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I'm not eligible for jury duty, but even if I was, I'd probably be dismissed as a juror in this case.

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Shabriri
10/22/22 12:19:44 PM
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no way am i convicting the guy

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C_Pain
10/22/22 12:20:37 PM
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How is a Nazi not a human? Bizarre defense.

At the end of the day, the person committed murder.

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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:21:00 PM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
How is this relevant
It's a phrase

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g0ldie
10/22/22 12:22:02 PM
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I guess I'd let them know I was too biased to be on the jury when they let us know what the case was about.

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Skype
10/22/22 12:23:40 PM
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Fuck Nazis but murder is still murder.

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Nemu
10/22/22 12:24:39 PM
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Why would anyone want an unhinged murderer to go free? Good for him for picking a target nobody will miss, but the guy is a psycho.
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bnui_ransder
10/22/22 12:24:50 PM
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Murder is murder

Even if the guy is scum

Literally killing for having different views from them, and that's what the scum do. Don't become what you hate.

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Kitt
10/22/22 12:25:05 PM
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I mean, that's a fucked up thing to do and he has to face the consequences of that action. With that said, I don't have any sympathy for the victim and I'd hope he gets a lenient sentence. Did the community a service.

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Rexdragon125
10/22/22 12:25:34 PM
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When did Nazis stop being the enemy? Do we believe they learned their lesson or something?
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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:25:48 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
You'd have to be as much of a psycho as the dude himself to acquit, especially knowing you're putting someone willing to perform public executions right back on the street.
Being willing to perform a public execution on a degenerate Nazi piece of shit =/= willing to perform public executions on anybody.

C_Pain posted...
How is a Nazi not a human? Bizarre defense.

At the end of the day, the person committed murder.

He believes that some beliefs forgo you of the right to life. That by believing them, you're an imminent, active threat to everyone around you at all times

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J03can
10/22/22 12:27:12 PM
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Nazis are awful but there's laws against murder for a reason.

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C_Pain
10/22/22 12:27:30 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Being willing to perform a public execution on a degenerate Nazi piece of shit =/= willing to perform public executions on anybody.

He believes that some beliefs forgo you of the right to life. That by believing them, you're an imminent threat to everyone around you at all times
That's an incredibly dangerous belief in itself.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
10/22/22 12:28:00 PM
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Now what if some random civilian guns down a bunch of gang members?

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bnui_ransder
10/22/22 12:30:46 PM
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What if later you'd find out it was some edge lord who thought all that evil shit was "cool"

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R_Jackal
10/22/22 12:31:57 PM
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Regardless of my personal opinions on it, he did what he did. If the evidence is just plainly there, I would have to convict.
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AloneIBreak
10/22/22 12:32:18 PM
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wackyteen posted...
That by believing them, you're an imminent, active threat to everyone around you at all times
Says the guy who just executed somebody in the middle of the street.

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Rexdragon125
10/22/22 12:33:51 PM
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A Nazi would execute people like me on the street if they knew 100% they could get away with it
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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:34:07 PM
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bnui_ransder posted...
What if later you'd find out it was some edge lord who thought all that evil shit was "cool"
Personally I'd have no remorse for anyone who, for even a second, thinks that being a Nazi is "cool". You fucked around, found out.

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SauI_Goodman
10/22/22 12:34:49 PM
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Light sentence. 2 years.

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DarthAragorn
10/22/22 12:35:19 PM
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Self defense

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Runeboggle
10/22/22 12:40:33 PM
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Given the options in the OP, I'd assume the prosecutor is going for murder. In that case, I'd acquit. Given that the man was provoked by the nazi scum, the proper charge would be voluntary manslaughter imo. It would be considered a crime of passion, and I would definitely convict given that charge.

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Solution_45
10/22/22 12:41:12 PM
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life in prison
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IShall_Run_Amok
10/22/22 12:46:35 PM
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I agree with his convictions, but they're not real convictions if you're not willing to take the consequences for them.

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ThisIsAKnoife
10/22/22 12:48:47 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Self defense


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Shotgunnova
10/22/22 12:50:03 PM
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I can already see a Law & Order exchange forming in my head:

Jack McCoy: I don't approve of extrajudicial murder, [name].
Rookie Lawyer: Nazis are scum, Jack. Subhuman! Lower than a snake's belly!
Jack McCoy: I don't approve of animal abuse either.

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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:51:23 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I agree with his convictions, but they're not real convictions if you're not willing to take the consequences for them.
I mean, he's willing to face the consequences, but his convictions also include that Nazis are not human and that he morally did nothing wrong

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KStateKing17
10/22/22 12:52:59 PM
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I'd let the murderer off. Fuck nazis

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uwnim
10/22/22 12:53:19 PM
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Going to need more detail on this person. Like if they were like Jewish or Romani, then I'd have to acquit because Nazi ideology called for their extermination and as such, this was self defense.

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wackyteen
10/22/22 12:56:31 PM
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uwnim posted...
Going to need more detail on this person. Like if they were like Jewish or Romani, then I'd have to acquit because Nazi ideology called for their extermination and as such, this was self defense.
No Jewish or Romani background, just an honest to God citizen

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ScazarMeltex
10/22/22 12:56:32 PM
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Pre-emptive self defense as far as I'm concerned. Nazism is an ideology predicated on the oppression and extermination of entire groups of people. If you are willingly choosing it enough that you are going to wear it openly, you get what you get.

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AloneIBreak
10/22/22 12:58:00 PM
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Y'all don't know how self defense works lol. I hope you're never selected for jury duty.

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uwnim
10/22/22 1:01:04 PM
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wackyteen posted...
No Jewish or Romani background, just an honest to God citizen
In that case it is murder.

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Rexdragon125
10/22/22 1:01:28 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Nazism is an ideology predicated on the oppression and extermination of entire groups of people.
This, I don't get why we're pretending this isn't the case
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g0ldie
10/22/22 1:01:40 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Y'all don't know how self defense works lol. I hope you're never selected for jury duty.
I hope I'm never selected for jury duty again, too

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ScazarMeltex
10/22/22 1:03:04 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
This, I don't get why we're pretending this isn't the case
Exactly. It's not a side-effect of overzealous adherents. It's literally the entire form and function of the ideology. By wearing the swastika you openly admit you are on board with it and a willing participant in a future genocide should you and your ilk get your way.

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wackyteen
10/22/22 1:04:11 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Y'all don't know how self defense works lol. I hope you're never selected for jury duty.

Putting down a rabid dog before it can attack you is self-defense. Nazis are more dangerous than rabid dogs, especially against the groups they target (Jews and Romani) so I wouldn't dismiss it as a defense out of hand

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Unknown480
10/22/22 1:08:28 PM
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Nazis aren't human beings but murder is murder. It's still ok to punch a nazi.
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wackyteen
10/22/22 1:10:02 PM
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Unknown480 posted...
Nazis aren't human beings but murder is murder. It's still ok to punch a nazi.
If they're not human beings, do you cop a murder charge if you willingly and remorselessly kill an animal in a similar manner (just walking up and shooting it)? Just saying

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GATTJT
10/22/22 1:10:03 PM
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Unknown480 posted...
Nazis aren't human beings but murder is murder
If Nazis aren't humans then legally it's not murder.

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Maze_
10/22/22 1:11:35 PM
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Did the dude even know it was a real Nazi and not just performance art or fancy dress or part of a show? O_o

Either way:

Solar_Crimson posted...
The Nazi is reprehensible scum, but murder is murder.


This

You can't just have people walking through the streets shooting each other, that's absurd.

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MedeaLysistrata
10/22/22 1:12:10 PM
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You really don't say what should you do?

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