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MrMallard
10/22/22 12:46:31 AM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20221020194306/https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/20/we-need-to-stop-calling-ourselves-conservatives/

Western civilization is dying. The traditions and practices that conservatives champion are, at best, being preserved only in an ever-shrinking private sphere. At worst, they are being trampled to dust. They certainly do not form the basis of our common culture or civic life, as they did for most of our nations history.

To talk now of family values is to assume that there are enough Americans able and willing to marry and raise children together for something like family values to matter in the public discourse, much less in the halls of power. To talk of defending religious freedom is to misapprehend that the real risk today is widespread irreligion, which will leave so few religious Americans in the coming generations that the government and large corporations will inevitably and easily persecute them.

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Put bluntly, if conservatives want to save the country they are going to have to rebuild and in a sense re-found it, and that means getting used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it. Why? Because accommodation or compromise with the left is impossible. One need only consider the speed with which the discourse shifted on gay marriage, from assuring conservatives ahead of the 2015 Obergefell decision that gay Americans were only asking for toleration, to the never-ending persecution of Jack Phillips.

The left will only stop when conservatives stop them, which means conservatives will have to discard outdated and irrelevant notions about small government. The government will have to become, in the hands of conservatives, an instrument of renewal in American life and in some cases, a blunt instrument indeed.

To stop Big Tech, for example, will require using antitrust powers to break up the largest Silicon Valley firms. To stop universities from spreading poisonous ideologies will require state legislatures to starve them of public funds. To stop the disintegration of the family might require reversing the travesty of no-fault divorce, combined with generous subsidies for families with small children.

Personal note: this is a policy straight out of Nazi Germany. Subsidise "pure German families", lots of kids, a working man and a stay at home mother, with financial incentives and tax breaks to model the image of the ideal German family.

Conservatives need not shy away from making these arguments because they betray some cherished libertarian fantasy about free markets and small government. It is time to clear our minds of cant.

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Conservatives need to get comfortable saying in reply to people like French that Drag Queen Story Hour should be outlawed; that parents who take their kids to drag shows should be arrested and charged with child abuse; that doctors who perform so-called gender-affirming interventions should be thrown in prison and have their medical licenses revoked; and that teachers who expose their students to sexually explicit material should not just be fired but be criminally prosecuted.

Another note - "sexually explicit material" obviously conjures up imagery of pornography, but the right applies this to sexual education - diagrams of genitalia outlining the different working parts, teaching students about contraceptives and sexually transmitted disease, and discussing pregnancy and childbirth.

If all that sounds radical, fine. It need not, at this late hour, dissuade conservatives in the least. Radicalism is precisely the approach needed now because the necessary task is nothing less than radical and revolutionary.

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For now, there are only two paths open to conservatives. Either they awake from decades of slumber to reclaim and re-found what has been lost, or they will watch our civilization die. There is no third road.

So many conservative shit-snorters on this board have spent years going "you're devaluing the term 'fascism', comparing trumpers to Nazis downplays what the Nazis did, you're being hysterical SJWs".

We are now at a point where conservative publications are making arguments about throwing political enemies in jail, enforcing the conservative ideal of a golden past to be returned to with governmental authority and imprisonment. You have DeSantis and MTG arguing for the Elite Other puppeteering the world government, enforcing "wokeness" as a means of eroding the will of the people, and you have the concentration of immigrants in substandard holding facilities as well as the push to wall off the country, keep human rights groups out of the nation and treat all immigrants as violent invaders to be slaughtered like cattle.

The right wing is making its push for dictatorship. Fascism has been growing since 2015, and it is about to culminate in a push beyond even Jan 6, because the same shit-for-brains who fell for Qanon, who listen to Marjorie Taylor-Greene and DeSantis, who sidle up with white power groups and militia groups - are preparing for an all-out war to "restore" American values through the couping and murdering of the Democratic party and the implementation of draconic laws that sentence people to jail time and death for deviating from the conservative norm.

This isn't relegated to shitholes like Stormfront any more. This isn't some insane screed from an 8chan user. This is mainstream, and it is only going to get worse.

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Guide
10/22/22 12:57:03 AM
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I can say that I never thought 8kun views would never go mainstream, but here we are. was I naive to think so?

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DoesntMatter
10/22/22 1:04:45 AM
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at least they're admitting to what everyone with more than half a brain already has seen in recent years. they aren't trying to "conserve" anything anymore. tearing the entire system down and erecting a new christofascist authoritarian system in its place has been their goal for awhile now.

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gunplagirl
10/22/22 1:09:16 AM
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I don't want to say "I told you that fascism is on the rise and they won't stop at us (transgender people)" but well...

Seeing as trans people were saying "okay now that we got gay marriage can we actually legislate it and trans rights instead of leaving them to court cases" and the like and nobody cared or did anything for us as things ramped up and started affecting plenty of cis people? :/

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TheGoldenEel
10/22/22 1:34:56 AM
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All of this is horrifying; some of it is absolutely insane.

and soon theyll have ignorant poor people complaining about no fault divorce while simultaneously talking about the fight for freedom

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VampireCoyote
10/22/22 1:35:39 AM
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dipshits might be a more apt term imo

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Tyranthraxus
10/22/22 1:40:05 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
dipshits might be a more apt term imo

No. Do not delegitimize the threat posed with a dismissive ad hominem.

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gunplagirl
10/22/22 1:40:48 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
All of this is horrifying; some of it is absolutely insane.

and soon theyll have ignorant poor people complaining about no fault divorce while simultaneously talking about the fight for freedom
Oh, so neat fact about that. The old republican complaint about single mothers IS directly tied in to the use of the prison industrial complex to jail thousands of innocent black men every single year. It tears families apart.

Combined with the "tax incentives for families with multiple kids" thing? It'll be distinctly advantageous for white couples. That isn't lost on the people writing these articles.

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gunplagirl
10/22/22 1:41:46 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. Do not delegitimize the threat posed with a dismissive ad hominem.
This. They know full well what they're doing, whether they enjoy the suffering of others or are okay doing so simply out of a perceived sense of standing to gain from that. Either way, they're dangerous.

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Zero_Destroyer
10/22/22 1:43:26 AM
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The phrase "The transgender question" gives the game away. It's explicitly fascistic at this point, not even dog whistling.

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gunplagirl
10/22/22 1:44:36 AM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
The phrase "The transgender question" gives the game away. It's explicitly fascistic at this point, not even dog whistling.
It's basically those air raid sirens in Evangelion at this point.

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MedeaLysistrata
10/22/22 1:46:04 AM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
The phrase "The transgender question" gives the game away. It's explicitly fascistic at this point, not even dog whistling.
If you think that gives away their game, they might be up to something else

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right

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MedeaLysistrata
10/22/22 10:49:08 AM
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Whaddya mean we can't be number 1? Who did this!?

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IShall_Run_Amok
10/24/22 6:32:33 PM
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Hey look. They're Nazis. How about that.

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Antifar
10/24/22 6:34:00 PM
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Related:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug

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Alucard188
10/24/22 6:34:30 PM
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All hail the rise of Christofascism.

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Vicious_Dios
10/24/22 6:38:47 PM
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Never.

I'll always be a conservative person first. You can call yourself what you want, though.

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GATTJT
10/24/22 6:41:06 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Never.

I'll always be a conservative person first. You can call yourself what you want, though.
And what does being conservative mean to you, exactly?

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Southernfatman
10/24/22 6:43:02 PM
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Yeah, they're fascists.

inb4 moderation.

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kirbymuncher
10/24/22 6:44:19 PM
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MrMallard posted...
that means getting used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it.
this one is particularly weird to read because I feel like I very frequently see this complaint in the exact opposite direction; that the left doesn't actually use their power to do anything while the right does whatever they want


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Turtlemayor333
10/24/22 6:44:41 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
Yeah, they're fascists.

inb4 moderation.
I don't know how it can be modded when they are wearing the label proudly.

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CRON
10/24/22 6:46:14 PM
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It's only going to get worse and there's literally nothing the average person can do about it.
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crazygamer21
10/24/22 6:47:25 PM
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Straight up nazi shit

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Southernfatman
10/24/22 6:47:31 PM
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Turtlemayor333 posted...
I don't know how it can be modded when they are wearing the label proudly.

I got modded earlier for calling Republicans a certain fascist party from Germany even though they're are blatantly acting like them and courting those types. It's "generalizing".

CRON posted...
It's only going to get worse and there's literally nothing the average person can do about it.

And those with power (Democrats/DOJ) are too cowardly to actually do anything outside useless grandstanding like the 1/6 hearings. They're complicit.

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Gwynevere
10/24/22 6:52:41 PM
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I've been saying for awhile that this rhetoric is only gonna lead to bad shit happening. Whether it's posts like that one, or stuff like that whackjob at the turning point thing that asked when he gets to start killing people.

If you or someone you care about is in danger of being hate crimed by this kind of rhetoric, it's probably time to think about how you would defend yourself if the situation arises. Get organized, get trained, because these people were ready for violence yesterday.

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DrizztLink
10/24/22 6:55:42 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
If you or someone you care about is in danger of being hate crimed by this kind of rhetoric, it's probably time to think about how you would defend yourself if the situation arises. Get organized, get trained, because these people were ready for violence yesterday.
I work with a nonprofit that does support services for LGBTQIA+ clients.

Some support groups, we help them find affirming treatment in the area, that sort of thing.

I've brought up starting a concealed carry permit program to my supervisor.

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TheLiarParadox
10/24/22 7:11:52 PM
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Save us, Xi.

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Questionmarktarius
10/24/22 7:32:09 PM
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That federal mechanisms for this even exist means we lost our way somehow in the past 246 years or so.
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FortuneCookie
10/24/22 7:33:35 PM
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If they identify themselves for what they are, then we can say things like, "If you're a conservative, you're voting the same way as the fascists." This disallows any ignorance of what they are or who they're with.
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Crimsoness
10/24/22 7:35:29 PM
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I hear Fascist doesn't see much use if they're looking for something more appropriate.
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DespondentDeity
10/24/22 7:37:26 PM
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Welp

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Questionmarktarius
10/24/22 7:46:01 PM
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Crimsoness posted...
I hear Fascist doesn't see much use if they're looking for something more appropriate.
To call this "fascist" is an insult to fascists.
This is an open call for American theocracy. Nothing more and nothing less. It's more 1979 Iran than 1933 Germany.
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Gwynevere
10/24/22 7:47:21 PM
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DespondentDeity posted...
Welp
Welcome back

Wanna start a commune?

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DespondentDeity
10/24/22 7:54:37 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Welcome back

Wanna start a commune?

Apparently were all already involved in a cabal right here on the board!

Anyways, yes Id love to; where do you have in mind?

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Questionmarktarius
10/24/22 8:00:13 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

You can, but it's not quite accurate.

Incidentally, here's a photo of Tehran in the 70 or so:
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Rexdragon125
10/24/22 8:00:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/orensegal/status/1584132843285794816?t=v8lAIi0dKmLtmeQzImsTXA&s=19

They're doing the Nazi salute, it's still questionable I guess
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Alucard188
10/24/22 8:06:39 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
https://twitter.com/orensegal/status/1584132843285794816?t=v8lAIi0dKmLtmeQzImsTXA&s=19

They're doing the Nazi salute, it's still questionable I guess

Nazis: *be fucking terrible people; also lose a war*
Neo-Nazis: Yeah, we like those odds.

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Rexdragon125
10/24/22 8:08:24 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Corporate needs you to find the difference

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CADE_FOSTER
10/24/22 8:39:22 PM
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This country has no future as a united states let the right have there dystopian garbage country and let us have ours never the two shall meet
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Space__Cowboy
10/26/22 8:03:00 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

What!? There are clear differences between them.

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ScazarMeltex
10/26/22 8:09:20 AM
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Literally rhetoric straight out of Nazi ideology.

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teep_
10/26/22 9:43:00 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
All of this is horrifying; some of it is absolutely insane.


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Rexdragon125
10/26/22 10:11:37 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Literally rhetoric straight out of Nazi ideology.

Right? Nazi Germany also stirred up hysteria about LGBT, white replacement, and outlawed abortions, what a coincidence

The Forgotten History of the Worlds First Trans Clinic
The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadnt fallen victim to Nazi ideology
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

Explainer-What is 'The Great Replacement' and what are its origins?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/explainer-what-is-the-great-replacement-and-what-are-its-origins/ar-AAXlkIK

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote that the folkish state a Nazi term for an idealized and racially pure greater Germany, must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.

In this same passage, Hitler wrote that, It must be considered reprehensible to withhold healthy children from the nation, adding that the state must act as the guardian of a millennial future in the face of which the wishes and the selfishness of the individual must appear as nothing and submit.

Hitler also spoke of these issues in a 1934 speech to the National Socialist Womens League:

https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1557
Every child that a woman brings into the world is a battle, a battle waged for the existence of her people. [] Whereas previously the programs of the liberal, intellectualist womens movements contained many points, the program of our National Socialist Womens movement has in reality but one single point, and that point is the child, that tiny creature which must be born and grow strong and which alone gives meaning to the whole life-struggle.

Indeed, this view was codified in German law by 1943, which stated:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4397988
A woman who kills her fetus or permits such a killing by another will be punished by a prison sentence and, in especially serious cases, by penitentiary. An attempt is punishable. Whoever else kills the fetus of a pregnant woman will be punished by a penitentiary sentence, in milder cases by prison.

If the perpetrator through such deeds continuously impairs the vitality of the German Volk, the death penalty can be imposed. Whoever procures for the pregnant woman a means or objects for killing the fetus will be punished by prison sentence, and in especially serious cases, by penitentiary.
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bigblu89
10/26/22 10:23:01 AM
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Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

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Popcorn2000
10/26/22 10:24:37 AM
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If youre a Republican in this day and age, youre a traitor
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Questionmarktarius
10/26/22 10:25:44 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Right? Nazi Germany also stirred up hysteria about LGBT, white replacement, and outlawed abortions, what a coincidence
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famfam
10/26/22 10:27:23 AM
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so the far right are religious extremists?

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