Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 4 - Slyfer no Slyfing

(+) Yeah! (+)

Han can you at least humor the people I'm looking into. Chang is not scum. Ben is not scum.

Chang and Ben are generating content today. Read the Chang/Peaf letters. They have a silly coat of paint, but they're definitely an earnest attempt to digest things imo.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Kirby, stop voting Lopen.

Give me a good reason to, and I might consider it. I still don't see why he's town. I get that he has a tendency to be biased as town or whatever, but he's not above trying to emulate that as scum. He's even lying at this point!

Like, I get that you might be concerned that I'm thinking emotionally, but truly, what has Lopen done as "town" that he couldn't do just as easily as scum?

Lopen posted...

Explain how this is like kingmaker with specific posts

I frankly don't have the time to go deep dive into a game from several months ago. Even if I did, you'd have to make a brand new topic with how many utterly useless posts there were in that first day of Kingmaker. That first day spanned three full topics! And majority of it was you and Crescent filling it up with utterly banal arguments against each other until you threatened to execute her if she posted again.

It was clear in that game that your objective was to rile people up and make them look bad. And it worked until you and Han imploded from thinking Sultan roleblocked your nightkill.

Kirby321 posted...

I frankly don't have the time to go deep dive into a game from several months ago. Even if I did, you'd have to make a brand new topic with how many utterly useless posts there were in that first day of Kingmaker.

How many worthless posts would you estimate I've made this game?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I would like to point out this about Chang:

When he showed up closer to deadline yesterday, he made a good argument on SBell for someone who had been absent for awhile.

Additionally, I told him he has an opportunity to get on my good side, and he took it by directly attacking one of the people attacking me.

Chang also immediately buttered up to red the moment red said he looked scummy. I think he has been good at that this game.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Maybe you saw his planned fakeclaim on the Scumboard earlier... :P

Peaf, to bounce off what you're saying about Corrik hinting, I feel like you dipped into that a little too much like it pointed at me - if any Scum thought that was Corrik hinting power, then they might kill, regardless of who he may have hinted at targeting. I agree with Lopen's assessment though - Corrik understands community meta and knows I am a high-profile kill target who dies within the first three nights, and that even if I don't, I put enough into the game that you have a wealth of data on me.

Trust me, I'd love to know who is scum. I can't get over the feeling of paranoia that you're pulling a slow one on me, which is why I dipped into the Corrik thing too much with you.

I want to say that there's massive town equity for Han since red has died. Would Han agree to kill a player he has zero respect for? Very unlikely! But that player was basically confirmed town, so I conclude that it's not truly indicative of Han's alignment.

I think Hb needs to claim in his next post or give a very heartfelt reason why he shouldn't.

I think, if Ben is Town, then he's not this sure Kirby is Town. I would welcome another analysis by Ben, though.

I think BCT only acts the way he has if he has been coached, but I have other thoughts that I don't want to give yet until Sultan responds to my post (though they're dumb thoughts).

Ctes is "catching up" so we'll see where he tries to point us.

As for Chang's letters, they were so incredibly annoying that I wanted to to dayvig both him and Peaf at the time to make it stop, so I probably owe a reread to them. My general impression of them was that Chang was avoiding interaction with any other players and didn't really say anything of particular import, aside from restating things, so if that's wrong, I gotta reread. But his timing in the last day was pretty bad and he helped push an SBell forward (instead of a him, Ctes, BCT, whomever).

Oh yeah, I definitely would agree to kill Red who is a confirmed Doublevoter, don't get me wrong about that.

Kirby321 posted...

Give me a good reason to, and I might consider it.

It's a literal waste of time. It's going nowhere. We have 6.5 hours to decide who to lynch. If you want your read on Lopen to influence who you think we should lynch instead, go for it.

If you want to leave a manifesto of what your read of the gamestate is with Lopen, go for it.

And you know what - you could be right. Lopen could have intentionally decided to duplicate his efforts of the previous game in terms of hounding me, but I don't know if he could keep that up.

Anyway, reason why he's Town: He clearly cares about the game way too much.

Sultan I have a question for you:

You said you thought SBell was Town yesterday, right? And you would have lynched Ctes to protect him? I'm wondering why you didn't vote Ctes.

Before deadline, you made the following post:

undefined posted...

Well I tell you hawt

My question is this: Why did you make that post?

I haven't voted anyone right now to my knowledge.

And the I tell you hwat post.
I'm not sure why I posted this. May have even more or less a wtf wirh all the vote changing and trying to keep tallys

And yet, 34s later you posted to vote Ctes.

What happened in that time period to convince you to vote him when you didn't before?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

And yet, 34s later you posted to vote Ctes.

What happened in that time period to convince you to vote him when you didn't before?

I was counting. It was probably a bad move plus their was votes after that. Wasn't their?

Yes, two.

Sultan, if BCT got lynched today, and flipped Town - what would you do on the following day?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yes, two.

Sultan, if BCT got lynched today, and flipped Town - what would you do on the following day?

Well I'd probably get looked at pretty heavily due to me being pretty confident in him being scum

... Meh, fine.

##Unvote
##Vote: Ben

The fact that we're not all on a consensus here with our votes, fine. I'll budge. We're all thinking Ben, yeah? Literally no one else besides Lopen (scum) think he's town.

I see your point, Han, about lynching Ctes for more info since everyone is mixed on him, but I'd rather not gamble on that chance and instead go for someone that we're all thinking is scum. It's not like he's been doing much to convince us otherwise.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well I'd probably get looked at pretty heavily due to me being pretty confident in him being scum

That's... not the question.

Han asked what would you DO, not what would happen to you

Lopen posted...

How many worthless posts would you estimate I've made this game?

I mean this entire Day has been filled with you posting arguments and theories that are completely contingent on information that you, as Town, can't know for certain.

I've been arguing with you this entire day! This is a dumb question. I really don't understand why Peaf thinks your logic has made any sense today.

What if Poppy got poisoned by Corrik and he's Scum and he's staying quiet to avoid giving any extra info?

Kirby321 posted...

I've been arguing with you this entire day! This is a dumb question. I really don't understand why Peaf thinks your logic has made any sense today.

Peaf has elaborated on why it makes sense

You have not on why it doesn't

If you had anything that doesn't make sense specifically you'd say it instead of "is posting like Kingmaker mafia" (I'm posting nothing like Kingmaker mafia)

Lets boil the letters down to simple comments.

Peaf Letter 1:
After my review, I felt that changs vote on Sbell was the tipping point and the most important vote, as a result. I wanted to be clear that it was not the vote itself that I was suspicious of, because I voted for the same person not long after. My suspicions came from a place of thinking back to the game where, I think it was Scare as scum, managed a mislynch on D1 from some devious pushing and pulling. I recall that most players didnt come to appreciate this until after the game ended. So I wanted chang, in his own words, to speak to his vote, especially because he did not provide specific reasons in the same post that he voted for Sbell in. He also had not, to this point, at all acknowledged that prior to his vote, he was the sole vote leader. I didnt go into all of this at the time of the letter because I wanted Chang to reply without influence of my full impressions.

Chang Letter 1:
Chang asserts that he bought into Hans argument that Sbell was deliberately being obtuse in order to get Han lynched, particularly with a goal to keep himself above it by being able to blame Lopen or Sultan if Han flipped as town. Given Sbells flip, Chang concludes that Sbell was reaction-baiting in order to get reads on players, or to get other players to start to see his reads in the same way that he did. Chang also thinks that BCT is likely town from the Day 1 actions.

Stepping outside of the specific summary of letter 1, and piecing things together with this statement on BCT, I see Changs thought process as:
1. BCT is town, as is Han
2. SBell and Sultan are pushing BCT
3. Therefore, SBell and Sultan are likely scum. SBell has been more scummy (see: Han interactions), so he should be voted.
Back to the letters.

Peaf Letter 2:
Unsatisfied with Changs reply, I continued to prod. This time, I raised the sultan pressure on BCT. I wont dwell too much on my first paragraph because it has since we refuted my understanding of that part of the timeline already, and we dont need to litigate that again. My second paragraph was entirely focused on the timeline of early Topic 2, specifically with the accusation that he voted out of self-preservation and is trying to hide it.

Chang Letter 2:
The first paragraph is correcting my understanding of the timeline of pressure on BCT, and frankly Im pretty content with how he pushed back on me here. He called out specific posts from SBell and Poppy.
The second paragraph is him explaining his thought processes on his own Day 1 lynch train, something that I dont think we really had before this. He claims that he no longer felt that he was at a strong risk of dying at the time that he voted for Sbell, because Han was no longer pushing for Changs lynch. So while the self-preservation idea was in his head, it was not the driving force behind him voting for Sbell instead of someone else. He voted for Sbell because he thought Sbell was scum, and that is that.

Peaf Letter 3:
I lay off the timeline bit now that I see the error of my ways. I admit that the fact that BCT really put this whole thing into motion is baffling to me. I thank Chang for his contributions, because he did honestly help me a lot in understanding the last 200ish posts of Day 1.
Finally, I ask Chang about Han insights, because in his story the inputs from Han are a key part of why he goes on offense.

Editors note rereading the letters again makes Poppy look even worse for me, and Im even more comfortable with my current vote. Poppy was suspecting BCT, and then followed him on a lynch on Sbell? Well return to this.

Chang Letter 3:
Chang replies to my Han question by saying that he is distracted town. This is by far the longest of the letters, owed to the direct quotes from Han, but they are important. Chang also discusses the possible scenarios with the BCT trap event:
1. Sultan is scum and targeted only BCT to frame him, while the rest of scum saves up gems for the more powerful cards like the full trap negate spells.
2. BCT is scum and scum decided to spend 150 gems on two Pot of Greeds + the 50 gold trap (still can't remember the name) to try and townclear
3. (as Han suggested) Scum team just mass Pot of Greeded in case a day cop did exist to muddle the results.
Editors note having this spelled out in this fashion made it clearer to me than when Han said it. Again, I appreciate Changs assistance in helping me figure out the game.
Furthermore, with respect to Hans possibilities:
1. Han is town who wanted to protect himself from getting Pot of Greeded, so he spent 100 gold on Pot of Greed + the trap to prevent it
2. Han is scum who spent 50 gold on the trap to fake being town, and we don't know what he did with the rest of the gold (could save it, could have spent it on the mass pot of greed play)
Chang concludes that #2 would be extremely silly and wasteful because it would erase all plausible deniability if a day cop exists and scanned him. At that point, the argument would have to be that Han, if scum, is Godfather who did this ploy to in order to scan guilty. The simplest argument is that Han is town.

Peaf Not-Letter, End:
I again thank Chang for the correspondence.

I was too rude to sign this final letter, or to address it properly. I will take etiquette courses in the immediate future to remedy this slight against the cherished Changmas.

I summarized the letters to my best ability here, but have them in their full contents (with minor liberties taken in their formatting, for convenient consideration, but with no words changed beyond spelling corrections). If you want to save yourself the hassle of finding them, just ask.

Ugh I really wish I could edit that. The formatting did not come out right at all.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What if Poppy got poisoned by Corrik and he's Scum and he's staying quiet to avoid giving any extra info?

Would a player be notified if they are poisoned?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What if Poppy got poisoned by Corrik and he's Scum and he's staying quiet to avoid giving any extra info?

Actually really good theory this

Lopen posted...

Peaf has elaborated on why it makes sense

You have not on why it doesn't

If you had anything that doesn't make sense specifically you'd say it instead of "is posting like Kingmaker mafia" (I'm posting nothing like Kingmaker mafia)

I have argued against your points countless times in detail. You want posts? Have some!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968700429
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968702143
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968713671
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968713760
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80198310/968716429

PoppyTheNinja posted...

##Unvote Kirby

##Vote Sbell

the push on BCT is gross given he's bleeding town all over the thread, the IGCD vote was opportunistic, same with the vote on han coming at the time when lopen was tunneling him felt the same way

none of these votes give me the feeling of coming from a town mindset and when you stack them all together it just looks like scum pushing likely mis-elims

T3 #12, per Chang's letter #2

Poppy followed BCT onto the Sbell lynch, accusing Sbell of being opportunistic. He granted BCT a ton of grace here, but has not said anything in the time since. So we don't know if he's reevaluated anything.

BCT has been anything but bleeding town on Day 2. He has not tried to figure the game out at all, every single one of his accusations is "how dare you say I'm scum, everyone who's anyone says I'm town". To use Poppy's own words... None of BCT's votes give me the feeling of coming from a town mindset, and when you stack them all together it just looks like scum pushing mis-elims. And Poppy played hard defense for BCT yesterday, without a squeak about him today. Dislike.

I look forward to laughing with Corrik about it at the end of the game if he did poison Poppy and we lynch him today anyway.

I do not want us to not lynch Poppy because we think it's possible for a dead player, who can neither confirm or deny, to have delay-killed someone that we agree is scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think BCT only acts the way he has if he has been coached, but I have other thoughts that I don't want to give yet until Sultan responds to my post (though they're dumb thoughts).

Who would you think is coaching me to act like this? And, if scum, don't you think I'd have made an actual slip by now?

(The answer is nobody, since I'm town, and a terrible liar like that).
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well I'd probably get looked at pretty heavily due to me being pretty confident in him being scum

This is why your fixation on me is a bad idea, since I WOULD flip town and that would basically confirm you scum.

Peace___Frog posted...

BCT has been anything but bleeding town on Day 2. He has not tried to figure the game out at all

Blatant lie. Do better.

##vote: Peaf

I think Peaf missed this post, because he didn't need to pay attention to it:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80198310/968719082

Thus, I now feel more confident now that he's the one trying to fuck with us.

Peaf, I HAVE been trying. Excuse me for being newbie town. You expect me to be a seasoned pro after only a few games, which is ridiculous. But now I've caught you in a lie, and I look forward to watching you squirm your scummy way out of it.

Current theory is now Sultan (definitely), Peaf, Lopen, and either HB or Ben. Boom.

I'm all caught up. before I go back and pull out a couple of things to comment on, here's where I'm currently at:

Town
Han - cleared from being anything that scans guilty off of item play, hasn't parlayed lopen's prior insistence he was scum into a mislynch there, plus even lopen is willing to accept he's town now

Lopen - I liked Lopen's early day 1 a lot as I mentioned. I think after that he got super lost in the sauce on Han but as of late he seems to have gotten past that and is back to seeing things clearly again

Abacus - If HB is town he's town or GF. If HB is scum he's likely town. I doubt scum HB chances this play on his teammate with the very real fear of being lynched. Very likely town in either scenario.

Probably Town
Peaf - I don't believe I've played with him before, so I can't say whether I think he's capable of this from scum side. But I think his line of questioning on me was a genuine attempt at solving the game, and he's been working to keep Han and Lopen focused, which is definitely pro-Town.

Poppy - I felt like he was town yesterday. Can't really say much more until he actually shows up today though. Absolutely the closest to moving out of this tier depending on his presence and posts in the next 6 hours.

One Town, One Scum
BCT
Sultan

These two are just linked together at this point. My money is still on BCT town, Sultan scum here because I don't think BCT's team would allow him to just flounder like that. And those weird rants too, I think those come from town. BCT kinda set himself up as a target from the beginning and Sultan has kind of been chipping away at that all game, which is probably a good target for scum sultan to aspire to mislynch. With that being said, if you told me BCT flipped scum and his team just cut him dry, I wouldn't be completely shocked. And BCT's new push on Lopen is very bad too, so the balance is tipping closer to 50/50. Either way, I'm pretty confident this is a 1/1 split between town and scum.

Likely a couple of scum here
Kirby - It feels like Kirby is trusted by most of the right people, but there's a part of me that can't help but feel like he knows more than he should. I'd need to remember if he advocated for the same thing as town in past games, but the whole "we should never ever lynched the claimed scanner" shtick he seems so confident about reeks to me of a play letting him turn right back around and say "I told you so" if he's scum who knows HB's alignment. If everyone thought like this, scum would just claim power roles all the time and skate to victories off lynching vanilla claims. I do like that he also wants to lynch Ben, though.

ctes - I feel like I think ctes is scum every game. This game I've intentionally tried to shy away from interacting with him because I still feel like I can't read him at all. I wouldn't be opposed to this lynch, or scan if we decide HB is in fact telling the truth because it would fully clear up the end of day 1 votes. But I think there's surer scum elsewhere.

HB - If a daycop does in fact exist, HB is certainly scum. And I can understand the motivation for a daycop not to claim at the moment, especially if the "mass Pot of Greed" theory ends up being true. It's likely that a guilty scan could mean nothing (unless it were on BCT), but a town scan might mean a lot. If there is no daycop, HB is probably telling the truth. Aside from that role meta, I hated his argument against Lopen where he suggested that Lopen looked bad for attacking Abacus. Isn't Lopen's motivation for attacking Abacus the same motivation HB had for scanning Abacus? You're both trying to find an inactive player's alignment.

Scum
Ben - Ben hasn't been what I expect from town Ben at all this game. Compared to a game like Baseball Mafia where even on Day 2 he was consistently driving the game forward, established a clear PoE, townlist. More than anything he was helpful! This game he's been nothing but cagey, pushing and prodding at little things here and there, but I haven't seen anything that so much looks like an attempt to genuinely engage with and solve the game. He's been going after me a lot, which might bias my view, but I can't help but feel like town Ben just does more than this. One of his earlier points against me today was accusing me of being linked with HB, but has since switched to defending HB himself. So am I still linked to HB, or was that just something you had to drop after you realized you needed to defend him? Your little two man "book of town" stunt is pretty cute, but that could easily be planned between the two of you.

##Vote: Ben

if you want more info on my thoughts on the town side people feel free to ask but i put more effort into the scum side thoughts bc that's more important with an impending lynch

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well I'd probably get looked at pretty heavily due to me being pretty confident in him being scum

.....
have I been wrong this whole time?

Peace___Frog posted...

Finally, totally separate from Ctes - what to do with Abacus. Given that we've had a jack flip, AND we know pot of greed exists in the game, is it outlandish to think that scum have the ability to one-time anti-pot-of-greed? Perhaps this is more tinfoil-hat than Abacus being godfather, but I don't think it is. The only thing giving me pause is why the fuck they'd use it on Abacus.

i doubt anyone took this seriously but the odds of this happening are astronomically low.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also thinking who kills Red in this situation

I'm thinking that reads Han he has been known to say if scum and you know Red his town kill him early.

This may Okay not me useful information

i still don't know where sultan is coming from this game. everything he says totally misses the mark for me, and I don't think that's the case usually for town sultan. and i agree with what's been said in response to this, red probably got killed for his role

Alright, let's review. I still think Han and Lopen are town, same as where I ended yesterday, even though I'll probably snap and yell at Lopen in a while, though I'm worried that so many people are thinking this. I think Kirby looks town for going after the falacies in Lopen's posts, seems like frustrated town. I have some bias there I know, but I still don't think I've actually seen any case on me being more than fluff, it's mostly based on Hb's actions. BCT is a bit hard to read for me, but leaning town and the trap cards point this way as well. End of day 1 was between two players of town and that makes it far more likely that most jumping around was between town. This makes Sultan and Hb look better. After just seeing Hb as scum, I don't think he does this much right before day ends as scum. Assuming this is true, Abacus would be in the clear as well. Though I cannot stress enough that Hb really should not leave anything unclear. In SW&P, you were one of the best roles and gave all information right away unprovoked after initially counterclaiming on day 1, this made you a town mvp that game. If you're town as I presume, please do the same now.

Chang, and Poppy look worst in the end of day 1, with some benefit of doubt given in that you can obviously simply be wrong. Poppy probably looks the worst on a reread, obviously doesn't help he hasn't been around at all. Does "This is much more stressful as town" or whatever come from someone that just proclaimed all his experience. It felt off to me.

Let's see, from my first paragraph I've come to that

Ctes is town
Han is probably town
Lopen is probably town
Hb is probably town
Abacus is probably town
Kirby is probably town
Sultan seems town
BCT seems town

Though I will say that the Sultan/BCT interaction at this point is just weird and that this comes down to Hb actually fullclaiming soon.

But if the above should be true (my track record says it's definitely not) we're left with Ben, chang, Peaf and Poppy, so while I'm not anywhere near confident that I just hit the team, it's at least where I think it makes sense to focus. I find myself following chang and Peaf's thoughts more than most, but we're also running out of players here. I think Ben is basically in everyone PoE at this point, maybe that's telling. I feel better about lynching Poppy, but if you really think he is poisoned, then Ben today and if no one was poisoned, Poppy can be lynched tomorrow.

Peace___Frog posted...

I looked up the banned cards thing (rule 4b) and did a lil Google. Turns out theres a difference between cards banned in the anime, and cards banned in real life, with one card of overlap. Pot of Greed is banned in real life but not in the anime, and since we can buy Pot of Greed, Im tempted to believe right now that the flavor split is for decks in the anime that use cards banned in the anime vs those who don't. I dont see any simple lists for what cards fit this criteria, other than an 82 minute Youtube video with under 100 views from 2018. This video links to the YGOPRO forum with a post from 7 years ago that doesnt seem to properly load on my machine.

i looked this up too back on day 1! What I believe is the case is that this game refers to "Yugioh! Master Duel" and has nothing to do with the anime. So the banlist for that game is here:

https://www.masterduelmeta.com/forbidden-limited-list

I don't think the shop has anything to do with the ban lists though, cause there's banned cards and unbanned cards there. Like Pot of Greed is banned and Scapegoat is also limited. I think Death just picked cards for the shop that fit the effects he wanted

Kirby321 posted...

I have argued against your points countless times in detail. You want posts? Have some!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968700429

Let's go in detail

Post 1 and Post 2.
Kirby claims to follow my thought process, claiming I made an interesting point. He then reevaluates and says "no because they wouldn't make the pot of greed gambit if they thought Sultan was day cop and had scanned BCT" to which I say "not necessarily"

For example, if the scumteam is only half considering a gambit they could guess that "if Sultan is cop, he may scan BCT tomorrow or may have already scanned BCT so we need to make BCT look more town. This also works as a non-gambit play. But the basic idea is that if Sultan as day cop is in BCT's head there might be a reason for that-- him mulling it over as scum. Whether the gambit makes sense or not is irrelevant-- we can't assume perfect play.

As for mass pot of greed, it's an excellent use of gold and note I only suggested that because I was specifically asked for an upside to pot of greed cancelling on BCT. Better than anything I see on the table to be honest. Not a far fetched gambit at all, and one other players have mentioned.

I would argue that if you can follow my logic at all, it's not as crazy as you're making it out to be.

Post 3.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968713671

No receipts were pulled to this point, even when you voted Ben. So nothing crazy here.

Post 4.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80196230/968713760

Says Ben has merit as consistent. You disagree with me saying the vote makes Ben look town. So? How is that me being crazy again? My logic exists and can be followed by others in the game. Scum Ben has no incentive to stick a vote out there. It draws a lot of attention. Doubly so if Ctes is scum. Further I am arguing Ben as town. That is very game relevant and not to distract town.

Post 5
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80198310/968716429

No one thinks that line makes sense aside from you and Hb, not even abacus. If anything Hb is the crackpot here, followed by you.

changmas posted...

##Vote: Ben

Chang please vote Ctes if you think Ctes is likely scum

It gives us a lot more game solving material and if Ctes flips scum (as I'm sure he will) Ben looks a LOT better.

Now I can't help myself, even if I already used my energy for arguing with Lopen up last game.

Lopen posted...

Solid argument for lynching Ctes is vanilla town doesn't hold off on claiming vanilla town that hard when they're in contention for lynch

That was scum being scared of claiming

Solid argument for lynch Ctes is Sbell doesn't gain traction out of nowhere if scum is ok with the lynch

Solid argument for Ctes is he keeps making excuses for inactivity

But you're just going to call this crackpot lol. It's better than any case you've made this game though.

Your first two arguments are worse than most things anyone has made this game because they're flat out wrong and you don't have to know I'm town to see that. I was not in contention for the lynch before like 5-7 minutes before deadline when it came basically out of nowhere. I didn't f***ing hold off anything, we're talking minutes here. SBell's traction was not as out of nowhere as mine was, he had been focused on for a while at that point, and he started having votes before me. That second "solid argument" would be a case against chang if anyone. None of this is opinion, it's flat out what happened. You can't just flip the situation around to fit your stupid narrative.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think Kirby looks town for going after the falacies in Lopen's posts

I just went through them in detail. They don't exist.

You agreeing that he has merit heavily hints you're scummates. You've clearly done no critical thinking with respect to Kirby's thoughts on my posts and just said that Kirby was right.

as for this whole Poppy is poisoned theory that seems to be gaining traction, I'm actually kinda liking it the more I think about it.

If he's scum and poisoned maybe he just doesn't see any value in showing up anymore because he's dead anyway, and all that would do is provide more posts for town to analyze tomorrow. He posted the one time just to grab his 100 gems because he'd still be able to use them to buy the cards from the shop and use them before he died from poison tonight.

I was kinda wondering about that whole distinction death made of getting "100 gems for logging in and posting" vs last game where everyone automatically got 100 gold at the end of the day. but this could explain why poppy did specifically post a single time and never before or since

Fine, fuck it. Everyone wants me to full claim.

Im The Branded, Town Cop. No bells and whistles. I scan at night. Happy?

PunishedBen posted...

.....
have I been wrong this whole time?

I can confirm that I was not wrong after reminding myself why I said he was confirmed town. Once confirmed always confirmed

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Vanilla Yugi.. seems cutsey to me but in a way in relation to my rule I could maybe buy this?

Lopen posted...

Chang please vote Ctes if you think Ctes is likely scum

It gives us a lot more game solving material and if Ctes flips scum (as I'm sure he will) Ben looks a LOT better.

I think ctes is scum every game and I've always been wrong so far though. I'd prefer not to throw another game away if he's actually town again and for now I think I'd prefer to go with my gut on Ben, who I feel more certain about

Both Chang and Ctes had the other in their low end of PoE, yet are saying to lynch others.

Both are Scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Now I can't help myself, even if I already used my energy for arguing with Lopen up last game.

Your first two arguments are worse than most things anyone has made this game because they're flat out wrong and you don't have to know I'm town to see that. I was not in contention for the lynch before like 5-7 minutes before deadline when it came basically out of nowhere. I didn't f***ing hold off anything, we're talking minutes here. SBell's traction was not as out of nowhere as mine was, he had been focused on for a while at that point, and he started having votes before me. That second "solid argument" would be a case against chang if anyone. None of this is opinion, it's flat out what happened. You can't just flip the situation around to fit your stupid narrative.

I had to prod you to claim when you were clearly in contention and it made sense for you to have already claimed. Where the actual votes are is irrelevant, you had thoughts as a lynch candidate all day. Look at Han's reaction to your momentum topic 3 post 58. Anyone present could see it, you most of all. Town vanilla doesn't need prodding to claim, they claim asap so people can evaluate whether they believe it.

I'm not saying not to lynch anyone in that bottom group, but chang has managed to make more posts I follow. Not everyone can be the one person to the bottom of a list.

Peace___Frog posted...

Chang Letter 1:
Chang asserts that he bought into Hans argument that Sbell was deliberately being obtuse in order to get Han lynched, particularly with a goal to keep himself above it by being able to blame Lopen or Sultan if Han flipped as town. Given Sbells flip, Chang concludes that Sbell was reaction-baiting in order to get reads on players, or to get other players to start to see his reads in the same way that he did. Chang also thinks that BCT is likely town from the Day 1 actions.

Explaining a vote by putting the onus onto me and saying that me and BCT are Town, which are common opinions.

Chang Letter 2:
He claims that he no longer felt that he was at a strong risk of dying at the time that he voted for Sbell, because Han was no longer pushing for Changs lynch.

This is weird because I was totally still on Chang at the time he came in to pitch SBell.

Chang Letter 3:
Chang replies to my Han question by saying that he is distracted town.

For SBell, yes. Otherwise, no. This is just a whole lot of junk talking about a possible explanation for how BCT could be Scum.

Based on your summaries, Peaf, Chang said me and BCT are Town and that's it. And I guess that Poppy looks bad? But now he says he looks good? Maybe I misread that.

He just gave us a list and it bears a little more examination but there are blaring lights going off right now between him and Ctes.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Both Chang and Ctes had the other in their low end of PoE, yet are saying to lynch others.

Both are Scum.

Coming around to it. Chang wanting a vote on Ben when Hb AND Ctes are in his POE and have much better cases

Kirby and Hb not voting Chang despite him having similar case to Ben

Ctes Chang Hb Kirby? Yeah maybe.

In no circumstances do we lynch Chang before Hb or Ctes though. Most stuff that makes Chang really look bad routes through those two.

I gave a list of four: Ben, Chang, Ctes, Poppy

Both Chang and Ctes have the rest of the list in their bottom group (except Chang has Poppy as Townish).

Feels like, for the most part, they're ready to bus at a moment's notice, but are both currently pushing towards Ben.

If Chang and Ctes are Town, and Ben is Scum, then who else is Ben's team? That's what needs to be stated for me to believe they could be Town.

Hbthebattle posted...

Fine, fuck it. Everyone wants me to full claim.

Im The Branded, Town Cop. No bells and whistles. I scan at night. Happy?

Yes, now do you have opinions on the game unrelated to your scan on Abacus?

Lopen posted...

I had to prod you to claim when you were clearly in contention and it made sense for you to have already claimed. Where the actual votes are is irrelevant, you had thoughts as a lynch candidate all day. Look at Han's reaction to your momentum topic 3 post 58. Anyone present could see it, you most of all. Town vanilla doesn't need prodding to claim, they claim asap so people can evaluate whether they believe it.

I disagree with all of this. It was a bit in the beginning, but it died out, even yourself had me on a town list. The few sparks of it went nowhere every time. Then it came back in the end for some rushed minutes where you try to keep track of votes and arguments and everything in a very short time and try to consider what's smart and realize you don't have time to consider.
You generally don't just claim from having a single vote on you. Not having claimed now would have been more ideal for the off chance scum would shot me for hunting.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yes, now do you have opinions on the game unrelated to your scan on Abacus?

no

ok fine give me a few minutes to summarize