Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 3 - Time Limits and Endless combos do not Mix.

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1. BCT
2. Ben
3. Changmas
4. Corrik
5. Ctes
6. Han
7. HBtheBattle
8. Kirby
9. Lopen
10. PeaceFrog
11. Poppy
12. Red
13. Sbell
14. Sultan
15. ViolentAbacus

Day ends at 7 PM

Peace___Frog posted...

And it should be Ben, corrik, sbell, and Sultan (in that order). To be clear

gotcha.

And mine was for pushing a narrative that Han is scum, created by Lopen. and in this scenario they are both just town and I'm fueling the fire?

PunishedBen posted...

Him and Han are the two players I respect the most in that regard and would expect to be targeted first. Since there's always doc fear, yes he's a very real possibility

This is bullshit because you yourself killed me over corrik when he and i were both town, and in that game he displayed far more efficacy in leading town than he has here. He was a markedly bigger threat from your perspective as scum, in a game that you should have known had no doc. And you killed me n1 instead.

Reposting here

Obellisk posted...

gotcha.

And mine was for pushing a narrative that Han is scum, created by Lopen. and in this scenario they are both just town and I'm fueling the fire?

That is correct, in that scenario.

That being said, lopen being scum is still a very possible possibility. I just don't have it on my d1 list because my convictions aren't strong enough on him at this point in time.

So I've not ruled that out.

Obellisk posted...

And mine was for pushing a narrative that Han is scum, created by Lopen. and in this scenario they are both just town and I'm fueling the fire?

i mean that is kinda what happened last game to some extent, is it not?

Peace___Frog posted...

That is correct, in that scenario.

That being said, lopen being scum is still a very possible possibility. I just don't have it on my d1 list because my convictions aren't strong enough on him at this point in time.

So I've not ruled that out.

ok, I can dig that, and completely see where you would get that feeling, regarding me. I don't fault your incorrect conclusion.

back for deadline but might not be here the whole time

Obellisk posted...

Maybe I too am confused. trying to have two conversations at once.

Han reacted poorly after I made a joke vote, which I felt was clearly a joke the way I quoted him and cut the quote off mid word of his.

His freak out saying I can only be scum now because I KNOW exactly what Lopen is doing based on a prior game is what leads me to believe that maybe I struck the right nerve here. (he's also wrong to attribute knowledge to me, but thats sorta not important now).

I do not think that Han would have freaked out as much on Lopen without something following Lopens lead. my vote, in jest, was apparently all that was needed.

SBell, I will explain this with as little snark as possible, since I am now home, in comfy socks and pajamas, and holding a foam pillow.

Last game, which you were in, Lopen did exactly what he's doing this game. He called me Scum, he took every single action I did, and he warped it into a way I could be Scum. It was aggravating. Eventually, I lost my temper that game.

In this game, honestly, I felt wary about Lopen at the start. He copied my first vote right away, and ScumLopen from a few games ago copied a lot of votes around. However, when he started feeling ill at ease about me, it made me feel better about him because of the history from the previous game.

However, I do not want to have an argument with Lopen. I said why I think Kirby is Scum - Lopen misunderstood and/or misrepresented it. I tried to clarify. There wasn't anything else I can do. It's impossible to assuage somebody that they're wrong when they say "Han said he thinks somebody is Town? That must mean that he is Scum trying to buddy." That literally can't be a datapoint unless every player is Scum for thinking that people could be Town. That's asinine.

Anyway, I dealt with Lopen's lack of ability directed at me last game, and it pushed me over the edge eventually. This game, I had less of a barrier because by God, I did NOT want to deal with that again. And yet, I am being asked to defend myself for pushing people for reactions, getting reactions, and then making opinions based on those reactions.

Of course I flipped out. And yeah, Peaf and Sultan and you hopped on, and Kirby suggested he'd be fine with my lynch as well, but I was already losing my temper before then. It boiled over more and more the more people entertained it because, frankly, if people are pushing the idea of lynching one of the most active players after a game where Scum literally won by being as inactive as possible, then I don't want to waste my time dealing with that.

Anyway SBell, I would say you are Town for thinking my reaction is bad when I said you were Scum for voting me, but it was aptly pointed out that you've been softpushing me before so using "lol it was a joke but I'm keeping my vote because Han got mad" doesn't actually assuage me there.

Hbthebattle posted...

i mean that is kinda what happened last game to some extent, is it not?

I mean last game i just needed the world to burn.

this game I actually want to kill scum.

Hbthebattle posted...

i mean that is kinda what happened last game to some extent, is it not?

To the full extent.

It's why it makes me double-take so much: SBell literally was one of the two people arguing against me Day 1 last game. And everybody who played last game (and didn't disappear like Sultan) saw Lopen hounding me all game and me having to constantly defend myself and getting pissed.

SBell wants to say he doesn't remember, but SBell loves pointing out his and my 'history' which includes the most recent game where he was, again, pushing me d1.

It doesn't line up.

Another thing that's making it hard to post is "what happened last game" - which I was too erased to follow properly. My game before that, yeah I know what happened, but it was a small game of backyard Mafia.

People always used to give me grief every time I said "lol that was just a joke, guys!" and SBell deserves similar grief for "kidding around" by voting for a nearly-confirmed townie like myself. That's why I put my vote on him.

##Unvote Kirby

##Vote Sbell

the push on BCT is gross given he's bleeding town all over the thread, the IGCD vote was opportunistic, same with the vote on han coming at the time when lopen was tunneling him felt the same way

none of these votes give me the feeling of coming from a town mindset and when you stack them all together it just looks like scum pushing likely mis-elims

I'm between Sbell and Ben here, I think

leaning Sbell though. care to claim before I lock it in?

Don't worry BCT, based on Green Chimp Washing Machine mafia sbell is 100% scum.

i'd vote chang to save han if it came down to that although i don't have a read on chang really i haven't had time to actually look at anything substantive he's posted

HanOfTheNekos posted...

SBell wants to say he doesn't remember, but SBell loves pointing out his and my 'history' which includes the most recent game where he was, again, pushing me d1.

history yes. details really not so much. I truly honestly swear to you I do not remember pushing you day 1. I probably should. but I want to be very open here, my memory is really bad like reallllllly bad.

And yes I've been soft pushing you on the bct thing. I have not been a fan of how you've been pussyfooting around him. I hear you, you think he's town so why go at him. but some posts I can't see how you are so willing to accept.

I will admit I shouldn't assume you can't be town because we have a different opinion.

Uhh, can we kill someone not on my list? And not me? ): Just this once

(kirby is still on my list but the momentum on him seems to have fallen off a cliff)

changmas posted...

I'm between Sbell and Ben here, I think

Why Sbell?

can we get votals?

Also, you shouldn't lynch me.

changmas posted...

(kirby is still on my list but the momentum on him seems to have fallen off a cliff)

i mean i've been voting him for most of the day but people don't seem interested

I have to go pick the kids up from dance.

maybe don't kill me while I do that?

A little over 10 mins who we killing??

Final 12 minutes Votals
[3] Chang - (Han), (Ben), Sultan, Corrik, Ben
[2] Han - (BCT), Lopen, Sbell
[2] Ben - (Lopen), (BCT), (Kirby), Kirby, (Lopen), Peaf
[2] SBell - (IGCD), (Red), (Poppy), BCT, Poppy
[1] ctes - (Han), (Lopen), (Peaf), Red
[0] Kirby - (Poppy), (Lopen)
[0] Abacus - (Lopen), (BCT), (Ben)
[0] Corrik - (Chang)
[0] Poppy - (Corrik)
[0] Peaf - (Ctes), (SBell), (Kirby)
[0] BCT - (Sultan)
[0] Red - (Poppy)
[0] Sultan - (Lopen), (BCT)

How logical does a Sbell/Ctes/Kirby/Abacus scumteam sound?

oh and after Hans post I'm good for the moment.

##unvote

##unvote

call me bad but gut sultan still says BCT is scum

PunishedBen posted...

Why Sbell?

I think he has been trying to mask what he's doing as just "joking", but as soon as that joking turns into something he can use it suddenly becomes real. not a fan of him pushing onto BCT either when most seem to agree he's town. And the angle that was previously summarized by Sbell himself even - Lopen, Han both town, with Sbell scum suddenly doesn't look too farfetched

Hbthebattle posted...

How logical does a Sbell/Ctes/Kirby/Abacus scumteam sound?

I don't see anything wrong with it at the moment, but the flip should tell us a lot on that

PunishedBen posted...

We did it was a huge mistake that I said I'd never make again. Most of my comments in scum chat were repeating that

From previous topic, i just saw your reply.

I didn't read scum chat at all, so i did not know that! What's interesting is that you ended up killing corrik on a later night and your partner who replaced out, who i called as scum very early in d1, ended up winning the game for you.

So it seems like not killing corrik n1 was a winning move, based on results!

I hate that nobody claimed. I'm good at telling if those are fake or not. Dont like any of the lynches in the running below chang

has anyone claimed, at all? i don't wanna yeet a PR because they didn't claim until there were 5 minutes left

also what is with people not putting a vote down?

Its now tied between 4 people

wohhh, when did BCT get a vote on me?

##Vote:BCT

I have the biggest gut feeling he is scum 100%

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

A little over 10 mins who we killing??

Looks like Chang, Han, Ben, or SBell.

Chang: Not sure what to make of him. He's been very middle of the road for me.
Han: I see nothing to indicate that he's scum at this point. But my townread on him has dissipated a bit. I don't really know anymore.
Ben: Kirby is pushing hard for him because he's acting like he did in Simple Mafia. Or maybe he's just like that. I don't know! I'm still green.
SBell: Continues to insist that I, someone that practically everyone knows is town, am the one to lynch today. Sounds like scum desperation - either he's trying to start a mislynch for no reason, or his buddies want to bus him for it.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

call me bad but gut sultan still says BCT is scum

You are bad, and so is your gut.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

##Vote:BCT

I have the biggest gut feeling he is scum 100%

what the hell is sultan doing this game man

BlueCrystalTear posted...

People always used to give me grief every time I said "lol that was just a joke, guys!" and SBell deserves similar grief for "kidding around" by voting for a nearly-confirmed townie like myself. That's why I put my vote on him.

you are going to vote for me because you are mad people don't like your jokes?

yeah ok.

Full quick thoughts

Townish tier
BCT - He only has two games I draw thoughts from, but in one of them, I said he was Scum with my first post and he more hid than anything. In the game he was Town, someone called him Scum, and he got upset. He got upset here, like the game where he was Town. There.

Red - Much as I wanted him lynched in the prior game, I felt like he was always absent. Here, there is a slight difference. Maybe Red is just adjusting his playstyle, because it is easy to adjust when you don't post much, but it feels markedly different. Wouldn't entertain today.

Sultan - Only way he is Scum is if he is Scum with Ben and they planned on Ben fakeclaiming Yugi and Sultan fake believing the flavor. Only way possible.

Poppy - People want to say he's different but he's still providing a worthwhile analysis and they seem based on actually reading the game instead of trying to make something else so he sits here.

Lopen - I've heavily analyzed Lopen's play before, and this Lopen just screams the headless chicken from last game. As much as I hate to deal with him, unless he's purposefully hounding me (and I don't think he would do that as Scum), he's likely Town in this instance.

???? Town leaning Tier
Chang - Earned his spot by saying a bunch of stuff I agree with in the past hour which is okay enough to make me not want to lynch him today.

Corrik - True, Corrik can be a null tell, but I'm feeling better about him than not atm. Can't explain why with time remaining. It's not a strong lean, don't think too much into it.

IGCD/Peaf - Based solely on IGCD, he was annoying me on reread which leans toward Town. I was about to rip apart Peaf for pushing me as well but he's actually analyzing my response which hints towards Town a lot more.

Kirby - He wanted us to not argue about the game we argued about. That means he cared about reading this game. That points to Town.

????
Hb - Was leaning very sketch on him because he's not done a whole lot but he's said stuff recently that I think defended me somewhat and so I don't feel as bad

MZero/Abacus - There is almost literally nothing here

Ben - Was leaning worse on him than Kirby, trusting Kirby, but he spake sense here in the end so I don't feel as bad before end of day.

???? Scum leaning
Ctes - First name I called out today. He had a response that made me feel better but then not really a whole lot else since.

Scummish Tier
SBell - It astounds me that he would see this between me and Lopen after last game and not read it as the same.

After making this list, I concur with when Corrik said "I have bad news" lol.

A flip and a reread will help with this.

Part of me wanted to say SBell was Town for thinking I looked worse for saying he could be Scum - that felt a little defensive. But the rest pointed Scum.

Admittedly, a ben flip doesn't tell us very much in either direction, except for some small morsels that we'd have to go through.

I don't think kirby is scum, and i have very little read on ctes.

Obellisk posted...

you are going to vote for me because you are mad people don't like your jokes?

I am voting for you because I don't like yourjokes.

Also Sultan is doing very harmful things for town.

I don't really want to lynch Chang today, so we're not doing that. I think Sbell or, to a lesser extent, Ben are better choices here.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

has anyone claimed, at all? i don't wanna yeet a PR because they didn't claim until there were 5 minutes left

also what is with people not putting a vote down?

Peace___Frog posted...

From previous topic, i just saw your reply.

I didn't read scum chat at all, so i did not know that! What's interesting is that you ended up killing corrik on a later night and your partner who replaced out, who i called as scum very early in d1, ended up winning the game for you.

So it seems like not killing corrik n1 was a winning move, based on results!

Mainly we thought we could lynch Corrik because we didnt believe he was actually cop and we thought killing you was a cute play no one expects

changmas posted...

what the hell is sultan doing this game man

Trust me I know BCT is scum

If we can't lynch Han I'll trust Red

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I am voting for you because I don't like yourjokes.

Also Sultan is doing very harmful things for town.

that is not how town plays mafia

##vote: bct

changmas posted...

what the hell is sultan doing this game man

Nah sultan is onto something here. I can feel it.